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[Jeremy]

You're obviously not a giving man.

Like I said, Dante is successful.

Actually, I donate money out of my paycheck every two weeks to St. Jude Children's hospital and give random bums money on the side of the road but that's besides the point. The real point here is how can you say that these projects aren't worth the money. They are far more less than what they actually cost to obtain the material. Do you understand the logic that if it wasn't for these projects that we would never have any Original or Unreleased material? Are you happy with LTTG, Pacs life, and Nu Mixx classics? Do you like one verse 2Pac songs with G-unit on the other two verses? You can take the raping of 2Pacs music all you want from Amaru. You know I'm still a 2pac fan at the end of the day, isn't that why we were all here in the first place? Even though I don't play his music every day anymore I am grateful that I don't have to depend on Amaru because all I will have is butchered 2pac vocals with lil scrappy filling the other two verses that were cut out of a 2pac classic. Nu Mixx 2 and Duets will be out in the next month or two. Have fun with those.

 

[Preach]

The problem is S O F I does not share our opinion. He doesn't care about Tupac anymore in the same way we do.

Honestly, I get that you don't agree with what me and Jeremy say about originals vs. Amaru releases, but I don't get why you are questioning it like it's completely illogical. If you like something you want that, not something else, or else you'd like that other thing and not the thing you originally liked. Lol. I like original Tupac shit and am willing to pay money for that. I had no one to go to although I was willing, then came Dante. He didn't force me to buy the projects, he just put them out there if I thought they were worth it. For a lesser price than he paid. The alternative was to go out there and starting to get to know all of Pac's old homies and build steady relationships with them and pay thousands for a few songs. I like Pac but not that much. I do like new Pac shit enough so that I'll gladly pay $150 for a CD with new songs.

If someone is too cheap for that, sucks to be them. But either way, I don't understand the notion that Dante should just give his shit out for free, and even if that was the right thing to do, he still won't, so we could have taken the next best thing or nothing. Fucking fags who can't respect the way the world works and start bitching. Maybe I should start spamming Al Gore's forum because temperatures are going up and I don't like it.

 

[Tha_Wood]

although i do not no much about pacs unreleased music, i dont think its fair for people to leak people likes dante's work, that he has paid alot for, and its very unfair to the people who have paid for it, for that same music to be given out for free by some spiteful person. sorry if that didnt make any sense, i have had a few beers.

 

[SicC]

Life is not fair kids.

pz

 

[Preach]

SicC is right, but Woodboy gave me something to think about that I had not thought of earlier. Another good argument

Lol for real though. Like he said. Above all it's very unfair to all the people who DID pay $150 thinking they were getting something exclusive.

 

[Casey]

SicC is right, but Woodboy gave me something to think about that I had not thought of earlier. Another good argument

Lol for real though. Like he said. Above all it's very unfair to all the people who DID pay $150 thinking they were getting something exclusive.

Anyone that bought it has no reason to complain. It's pretty obvious it would leak. You'd have to be stupid to think that it wouldn't, no matter how many 90-days-leak-free-and-you-all-get-a-bonus deals are offered.

Where's the incentive for people to spend that much on it if you are getting the exact same thing (albeit compressed) from leaks? It's not like they pressed it up with a glossy 24-page booklet with exclusive photos or anything.

I don't agree with it being leaked but fuck, it's 2007, if the major music labels are spending millions to try and stop downloading and they still can't, a couple of people with some rare material selling it at a high price to a big fanbase are not going to.

 

[SicC]

Your just niave to think you can actually get anything thats exclusive. I use that term very loosely, everything is leaked eventually.

Do I even need to mention that every album that is going to hit the market will be leaked before its release date and everyone who leaks it uses your preciouse little word "exclusive".

You fool Dantes shit will get leaked eventually. Its hows this business works and you should know that being around as long as you have.

pz

 

[Kilo2]

I've never had a personal role in leaking the projects. I've never bought a damn project off any collector, but I still manage to get them. Manage to find the right con-men and you can get about anything. Anywho, the ones I got blamed for leaking were the MC Hammer project and Same Eyez On Me when the shit had already been out. I've always just found the links on some forum or shit and provided people who wanted the tape with it. I'm not going to sit by and let poor people go without because they can't afford it. I'd probably buy some of this junk if I could afford it, but i'm lower class so yeah. No reason to blame all the leaking on me, makes me feel needed inside though. :hungry:

 

[S O F I]

Pittsey: Your drunken supply and demand has nothing to do with the point I was trying to convey here. It boils down to this, "If you're in the position to give, then give."

Preach: Again, you said too much for me to reply to again and I'm saying fuck it.

 

[Preach]

"If you're in the position to give, then give."

Wish you would have thought about that before deleting your porn

 

[Jeremy]

Pittsey: Your drunken supply and demand has nothing to do with the point I was trying to convey here. It boils down to this, "If you're in the position to give, then give."

Preach: Again, you said too much for me to reply to again and I'm saying fuck it.

You read mine?

 

[Preach]

It's about a paragraph shorter than mine so maybe. Yours is in the gray zone, Jeremy.

 

[masta247]

Actually I think Dante counted on impossible - he thought he'll sell his projects to xx people and it won't get leaked. He felt helpless after they were leaked again and again. He should know there are always people who buy it just to leak. Selling that stuff he knew it's most possible that it will leak. Selling only to closest friends wouldnt be as risky, but in this situation selling would be senseless . Automaticly selling it to wider group increased risk. Dante couldn't deal with that, so he had to face a decision - selling to wider group = leaks, giving away to trusted friends only or keeping for himself = no leaks. There are no other options. There were many people blamed for leaking but it would happen anyway. Probably leakers were quiet anyway, people who made most noise like "hey, Ive got new 2pac album by Dante, here's a link for everybody" weren't the ones who leaked it. They just downloaded it from the sourse, and wanted all the fame pushing it further all over the net. I think like somebody else already stated - It's impossible to control a project like this.

 

[S O F I]

Actually, I donate money out of my paycheck every two weeks to St. Jude Children's hospital and give random bums money on the side of the road but that's besides the point.

That's a noble effort.

The real point here is how can you say that these projects aren't worth the money.

I'm not sure I said they aren't worth the money. Can you find the quote where I said it?

They are far more less than what they actually cost to obtain the material. Do you understand the logic that if it wasn't for these projects that we would never have any Original or Unreleased material? Are you happy with LTTG, Pacs life, and Nu Mixx classics? Do you like one verse 2Pac songs with G-unit on the other two verses?

I am not sure I understand the price of obtaining the material in Dante's case. I don't even want to give the contemporary 2pac ebay collectors the time of day in this post. I think when Dante acquired the material, the price wasn't high for it, but of course, I don't expect him to disclose it. The price of 2pac's unreleased material has gone up significantly since Dante obtained it, no? I think Dante is in a position to turn his hobby into a non-profit organization.

You can take the raping of 2Pacs music all you want from Amaru. You know I'm still a 2pac fan at the end of the day, isn't that why we were all here in the first place? Even though I don't play his music every day anymore I am grateful that I don't have to depend on Amaru because all I will have is butchered 2pac vocals with lil scrappy filling the other two verses that were cut out of a 2pac classic. Nu Mixx 2 and Duets will be out in the next month or two. Have fun with those.

Damn, I don't know. I'm pondering on what's worse. Trying to live a life without food or trying to live a life without 2pac's unreleased blended material. It's too close of a call.

 

[Preach]

edit.

 

[S O F I]

he has disclosed it several times. for several of the DATs he has purchased, he has payed upwards of $5000. video footage has, in worst cases, been like $50 a minute if not more.

How much does a private sector psychologist charge for a 1 hour consultation?

Also, I'd argue that the length of Dante's penis extends much farther knowing that he has 2pac material that others don't than the extent of the price he pays for them. He's that type of dude.


I apologize for my socialist views gentlemen, but I come from Eastern Europe.

 

[masta247]

I apologize for my socialist views gentlemen, but I come from Eastern Europe.

capitalism sucks, communism was the shit

 

[Maverick]

edit: probably shouldnt speak on it

 

[_carmi]

And S O F I, for real, you have such a distorted view of the financial aspect of these projects. Yeah, you think that since this is the internet, thousands of fans are probably supporting. Wrong. Seriously, you shouldn't speak on the financial aspect of Dante and Litt's projects, because you simply have no idea.

The Kilo2 affair is about something completely different. Kilo2 started a website called makavelirecords. Now it's a hate site towards 221, Dante, etc. Shit like Dante's dad's phone number is there. Wtf. When the site had just started he obviously tried to make a name for his site in the Pac community. He posted fake interviews on his site lol. One of them was a Jewell interview. He got called out on it when Thommo posted up a biography from an old Jewell site, as well as a newer biography or something by Nino Brown. Quickly, most people who stopped by the Pac scene for a bit might have heard the name. He has created websites for a lot of people, among them Danny Boy and Jewell. He used to work with AM7 too I think, who was the webmaster for deathrowrecords.com. Anyway, that's neither here nor there, Kilo2 is called out on his fake interview and gets mad. When people continued to mock him he got even more angry and started doing shit like posting lots of hate on his forum which led his forum pawns to start IMing people left and right with hate about Pittsey, Dante, how they were all gonna get got and shit. I don't know if Kilo2 personally did any of this as I never spoke to the guy directly, but I strongly believe so.

He was banned at MrMakaveli after this and started signing up with different accounts, etc etc.

Oh, and yeah, Dante and G. Litt had been putting out a few projects with OG shit for the people who were willing to pay the price. instead of letting us have our joy and leaving us alone, Kilo2 and his board mates on his own site used their forum to spread the projects and spread hate and leak shit that I payed for. The result was that Dante and Litt quit putting out shit. I'm a Tupac fan still. I don't listen as much anymore, but collecting Tupac shit will be my life's project probably. Because I generally like to collect and I'm off to a good start with Tupac shit. Now I have to live with shitty Amaru remixes. That's the reason for my own personal hate.

The fact that this guy didn't even have the wits and patience to at least wait for a few projects to come out before leaking, so as to not cut himself off as well, tells me this person is of a less clever mind. I think he's bad news all over. I'll never accept the fact that he posts here, it's gonna bother me until the day he leaves.

okay. so thats what its about. i do understand the guy may have leaked stuff you bought. and hell yeah i'd be pissed if i would have paid for something that got leaked sometime later.

Anyone that bought it has no reason to complain. It's pretty obvious it would leak. You'd have to be stupid to think that it wouldn't, no matter how many 90-days-leak-free-and-you-all-get-a-bonus deals are offered.

Where's the incentive for people to spend that much on it if you are getting the exact same thing (albeit compressed) from leaks? It's not like they pressed it up with a glossy 24-page booklet with exclusive photos or anything.

I don't agree with it being leaked but fuck, it's 2007, if the major music labels are spending millions to try and stop downloading and they still can't, a couple of people with some rare material selling it at a high price to a big fanbase are not going to.

Your just niave to think you can actually get anything thats exclusive. I use that term very loosely, everything is leaked eventually.

Do I even need to mention that every album that is going to hit the market will be leaked before its release date and everyone who leaks it uses your preciouse little word "exclusive".

You fool Dantes shit will get leaked eventually. Its hows this business works and you should know that being around as long as you have.

pz

but i cannot ignore their point either. everything gets leaked one day or another. it's all a matter of time.

again i am not a huge tupac fan. i appreciate his music (not the new stuff) but i certainly am not the fan you guys are. but the whole point is obviously somebody would have bought it and then leak it.

and thanks yall for telling who the guy is and wht the hate was all about.

 

[Pittsey]

Why do people have such a large opinion about another man's business?

Why SOFI makes some good points.... The point I'm trying to make is why spread an album because of spite? If people put that effort into their daily lives they wouldn't be below average internet DJ's with a shitty day job... Or in the army....

There is still a lot of music out there... Which hasn't reached the internet fanbase... And will continue to be out of most people's reach. Think.... "Till My Dyin Day" and "Out On Bail"... How many of you have them?


Kilo - I am lower class... We call it working class in the UK... Difference is... I stopped playing gangsta at your age ( although I weren't really playing as it brought a lot of consequences)... and I started knuckling down and working hard.... And thanks to my mum, I now make a lot of money and I'm happy.... Being poor doesn't = cool... A lot of people on here are refugees who are now working hard at school and are gonna be wealthy and succesful... Try and learn something from them.