Once again...

[Duke]

Big school/uni shooting in the States. Virginia. 20+ people dead, same number injured.


Short question for the WoW heads: What is to blame?

a.) America's gun legislation?

or

b.) America's gun obession?



I'll take B. The country is obessed with firearms. It's heavily embedded in the culture, the lifestyle. Cars, guns and hamburgers. Yeehaw. Now they're fat and dead.


(Disclaimer: these news reports about school shootings fire up specific anti-American sentiments with me, so any overly patriotic Yanks thinking to take a dig at me: Way ahead of ya.)

 

[PELLA]

seriously. They should make guns illegal there and get rid of the NRA. Its useless and it only causes bullshit like this.

 

[hizzle?]

^^^Yeah but why do you care... Do you live in the States? No.

Let them kill eachother all they want. One day, they will understand. But I don't understand why you two (especially Dukz0rz) is angry about this...

 

[Sebastian]

He is fighting for humanity. Holy Duke.

 

[Glockmatic]

^^^Yeah but why do you care... Do you live in the States? No.

Let them kill eachother all they want. One day, they will understand. But I don't understand why you two (especially Dukz0rz) is angry about this...

I guess you don't remember the shootings in Montreal last year? It isn't just about gun laws (canada has pretty strict laws), its the enviroment we're living in now

 

[hizzle?]

^Yes I remember them well. And since Harpy Harper is in charge, the gun laws were slacked.

 

[S O F I]

Proponents and opponents of stricter gun laws have solid arguments about their positions. However, when it comes to the question of, "How do we stop this from happening?", I don't think that opponents of stricter gun laws have any kind of answers. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. On the other hand, some things can be done.

 

[PuffnScruff]

how do you stop any murder from happening? how do you stop a mentally unstable person going out of control and doing a mass murder spree? there are just some things that will always be out of the control of the law.

you said some things can be done, well, like what?

 

[hizzle?]

I,m just saying that you can do some things that will make them less dangerous. Like guns, which are CREATED for killing. It will not stop killing, but it will stop dramas like this, or at least make it less common.

 

[PELLA]

some Emo fag probably did all this.

 

[Chronic]

Ultimately the shooter's are to blame (of course) but it's hard to say something about the major contributing factors without knowing the shooter's reasons.

 

[PuffnScruff]

I,m just saying that you can do some things that will make them less dangerous. Like guns, which are CREATED for killing. It will not stop killing, but it will stop dramas like this, or at least make it less common.

what can be done to make them less dangerous?

they may have been created for the intent to kill a person but it can not just load itself, aim, and pull its own trigger. all that must be done by a person.

you dont know it would stop things like this. say guns were illegal. would that stop a mentally unstable person from going over the edge? you think that would have prevented this today? the number of deaths might not be as high but i bet the number would still be a good amount and people would be asking "how did he kill so many people with a knife"

 

[Chronic]

^^
Don't you think the feeling of power a gun gives contributes? We'll never be rid of bad/unstable people so everything that's done to stop them from hurting people is damage control, not a solution. Making guns harder to get seems like a fairly efficient way of damage control to me.

 

[PuffnScruff]

i have been around guns my whole life. i have been firing them since i was 6 years old. i have never once had a feeling of power from a gun. maybe its different for me because i learned at a young age to the rights and wrongs and to respect it as a dangerous weapon that can kill and should only be used in drastic times.

i dont see how making guns harder to get could be a solution. thats what they said during the prohibtion period but alcohol and tobacoo just became even easier to come across and gave more power to the mob.

if guns became harder to get in this country (which if you actually looked at different state laws not just anyone can get a gun) they would still be here. they would get imported the same way drugs do. they would be just as easy to buy as it is for me to drive 10 mins from where i live to any of 5 ghettos surrounding where i live and buy coke. coke is illegal. but i can get it like its a pack of smokes. it will become just as easy with guns. murder and armed robbery rates will sky rocket. dont believe me then look at the stats of states that have anti gun laws compared to the states the dont. the states with have higher crimes wth fire arms than ones that dont. think about that.

 

[Jokerman]

It amazes me that they never make the connection that these kinds of incidents always happen where guns are not allowed. People unable to defend themselves are killed in large numbers and their answer is to make more people defenseless. What is it they say about the definition of insanity?

 

[RFTP]

i have been around guns my whole life. i have been firing them since i was 6 years old. i have never once had a feeling of power from a gun. maybe its different for me because i learned at a young age to the rights and wrongs and to respect it as a dangerous weapon that can kill and should only be used in drastic times.

But that's you! I salute you for that but not everyone thinks like you. However I have to question your mentality here. You say; "a dangerous weapon that can kill and should only be used in drastic times."

In Sweden we don't have this mentality. In drastic times we call the police. Sometimes it can be too late, you can be robbed/shot/whatnot but the main point here is that there is a mentality in USA that says it's ok to use guns in drastic times. What happens then is that everyone defines "drastic times" different. This idiot obviously thought a revenge on his ex-girl is a drastic time. So the whole mentality is kinda wrong.

i dont see how making guns harder to get could be a solution. thats what they said during the prohibtion period but alcohol and tobacoo just became even easier to come across and gave more power to the mob.

It's not a solution, it'd be foolish to think so too. When you have a society where violence is romanized by the media through movies and different stuff then you get this kind of people. Banning guns would at least make these psychos try harder to get a gun. Some will succeed some won't but at least you won't be feeding him with it.

 

[ARon]

Stop acting like most murders with guns are done with legally bought weapons. Guns are rampant around the US, anyone can go buy one from whoever. Weapons are gonna exist no matter what. The problem isnt the weapon but the person doing the killing. If everyone is saying this person was mentally unstable what can be done to help him before this happens. What can be done to stop someone from getting this way. People are the problem, not guns.

 

[PuffnScruff]

But that's you! I salute you for that but not everyone thinks like you. However I have to question your mentality here. You say; "a dangerous weapon that can kill and should only be used in drastic times."

In Sweden we don't have this mentality. In drastic times we call the police. Sometimes it can be too late, you can be robbed/shot/whatnot but the main point here is that there is a mentality in USA that says it's ok to use guns in drastic times. What happens then is that everyone defines "drastic times" different. This idiot obviously thought a revenge on his ex-girl is a drastic time. So the whole mentality is kinda wrong.

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seeking revenge is not a drastic measure. its revenge. its payback. its a guy wanted ot get even. i look at a drastic measure as something along the lines as when it comes down to my life or theirs. doing what needs to be done to save my own life from someone who wants to kill me. i think its clear that this shooter didnt think it was a desperate or drastic measure he just wanted revenge. the actions of taking his own life shows that he knew if he survived this or was taken down by police he would be in jail for life and to me it seems like he just wanted to take out his anger and aggression on as many people as he could before it all ended.

where i live, i hear all the time about students i go to school with who get robbed. i hear far too often about people breaking into their apartments at gun point, beating them, constraining them, and robbing everything they have. shit there was a murder at a party at my apartments a few weeks ago. what i am getting at is that you can not always rely on the police to help you or to come and save the day. in my opinion it is foolish to rely on the police or government to be there for you in any situation especially to save your life. i'm not going to put my life in the hands of people who are going to respond late to a situation. the incident and reaction to hurricane katrina should have woken a lot of people up to that you can not rely on authorities to be there for you.

i see your point about banning guns might make it harder for people to get their hands on them, but look at history. look at examples like prohibition and illegal drugs. even ak-47's. they still manage to get in to this country. where there is a will there is a way.

 

[S O F I]

You cannot compare the prohibition to banning guns, or banning illegal drugs. The purpose of alcohol use is not the same as the purpose of gun use. Same goes for drugs. The morals and ethics associated with all three are completely different, too.

 

[PuffnScruff]

im not trying to compare the use of guns vs drugs. im trying to show a historical event and law in the nation as an example of how putting a ban on something doesnt exactly solve anything but in reality only makes things worse and puts power into the hands of hard core criminals, as it did with the mob during the prohibition periods.