Time to poke the hornet's nest.

[dilla]

You're right, it is about balance. But being vegan or vegetarian isn't just about getting a balanced diet. Its also about doing the right thing. The point is, is that you don't HAVE to eat meat to have a balanced/healthy diet and you can be just as, if not more healthy if you don't eat meat (or lots of it)

Try the zuckerberg diet... just eat meat you killed yourself.. maybe your tune will change

Being vegan isn't just about doing the right thing for food. The clothes you wear can not be produced by an animal either. And that doesn't just mean leather and fur and shit. If an animal was involved in the process of getting the materials, maybe tying a bull to a plow or something, then that also counts. If it doesn't, that's hypocritical.

Seems like the best time to be vegan was during slavery.

 

[stefanwzyga]

If you want to get more into it, it's no secret that Nigella has had extensive plastic surgery and uses Botox regularly.

What has she had done? And how do you know for sure? And regardless she looks fuckin fantastic.

And Prince does look good for his age, but dont kid yourself that you would know if he has or has not has surgery. Plus woman age faster than men anyway so the comparison with Madonna dont really stand up.

the fact remains that the diet Gillian recommends will probably see her live to the age 90-100, where I'd put money on Nigella being dead or suffering serious health problems within a decade.

This is where your veggie beliefs become drivel, they really do.

Vegan black guy.

The bottom guy looks like he's havin waaaay more fun. The top guy looks kinda confused, like he dont know if he should be lifting weights or painting his toenails.

 

[vg4030]

Being vegan isn't just about doing the right thing for food. The clothes you wear can not be produced by an animal either. And that doesn't just mean leather and fur and shit. If an animal was involved in the process of getting the materials, maybe tying a bull to a plow or something, then that also counts. If it doesn't, that's hypocritical.

Seems like the best time to be vegan was during slavery.

Right, but we're just talking food here but yeah you can/should expand it to all aspects of your life if thats the reason for not eating meat

 

[dilla]

Right, but we're just talking food here but yeah you can/should expand it to all aspects of your life if thats the reason for not eating meat

There's always that argument for medicine that's produced by animals too. What's the vegan response to using or not using medicine? Is it to choose the option that doesn't hurt the animal if possible, or to rather die than use an animal product?

 

[vg4030]

There's always that argument for medicine that's produced by animals too. What's the vegan response to using or not using medicine? Is it to choose the option that doesn't hurt the animal if possible, or to rather die than use an animal product?

I dunno, maybe you should ask a vegan.....

 

[Casey]

You're right, it is about balance. But being vegan or vegetarian isn't just about getting a balanced diet. Its also about doing the right thing. The point is, is that you don't HAVE to eat meat to have a balanced/healthy diet and you can be just as, if not more healthy if you don't eat meat (or lots of it)

Try the zuckerberg diet... just eat meat you killed yourself.. maybe your tune will change

This.

I said since day one that my reasons for veganism are partially health ones and partially compassionate ones.

Stefan, she's openly discussed it many times, go google it.

And yeah - I do pretty much know for a fact that Prince has not had plastic surgery. I have pictures of him from every year since 1976 (i keep it next to my shirtless black guy pics folder LOL)

Line them all up next to each other and it's obvious that he hasn't. It would be very clear if he had, and when it was done. and furthermore, people would know about it and talk about it in at least one of the many biographies about him. And yet, they haven't. None of his features look any different than on the cover of his debut album back in 1978. And he's pissed off enough ex-bandmembers to the point where one of them would have said something about surgery if he'd had it. Thanks to Cat, Sheila and a couple of his Paisley Park employees, we know all about the night in 1987 when he had a bad E trip and claimed he saw a spiritual vision that caused him to cancel "The Black Album" literally days before it's release. You think people wouldn't know if he had surgery? At least one person would have said something at some point. No surgery, just good genes and healthy living. Oh, and nice attempt at trying to feminize the bodybuilder guy with that comment. Misogyny YAY! Tell him that in real life and see if you leave with all of your teeth, tough guy.

Anyway I don't really have much more else to add to this nonsensical thread. I always end up looking more extremist than I actually am. Partially my fault. But yeah, I don't particularly care much for having to defend my chosen lifestyle all the time. If somebody wants to ask me a serious question about this topic they can DM me, which at least 7 different members have at this point. And I'll answer.

Frankly my only response should have been - Idiotic comparison is idiotic.

My signature becomes more and more relevant in every thread.

 

[Rukas]

You're right, it is about balance. But being vegan or vegetarian isn't just about getting a balanced diet. Its also about doing the right thing.

Yep, it's a personal choice, not a scientific or health one.

The point is, is that you don't HAVE to eat meat to have a balanced/healthy diet and you can be just as, if not more healthy if you don't eat meat (or lots of it)

Yes you do, by the very nature of the word BALANCED you do have to eat meat in order for it to be balanced, otherwise, you're tripped more to one side and it's not balanced anymore.
Of course

 

[Casey]

So there are no vegetarians or vegans in the world with a balanced diet. LOL.

Care to comment about why the human digestive tract is proportionally the same measurements as all herbivorous animals but markedly different than carnivorous ones?

 

[vg4030]

Yes you do, by the very nature of the word BALANCED you do have to eat meat in order for it to be balanced, otherwise, you're tripped more to one side and it's not balanced anymore.
Of course

So by that logic you should also be eating dirt and paper as it doest kill you and has some nutritional benefit

 

[Rukas]

So there are no vegetarians or vegans in the world with a balanced diet. LOL.

Do they eat all food groups? Nope. So it's not balanced. Arguing that it is is just stupid.

Care to comment about why the human digestive tract is proportionally the same measurements as all herbivorous animals but markedly different than carnivorous ones?

That is just not true. You're such a liar in these threads it is always funny.

Vegans read that the human digestive tract is shorter than a carnivore's and automatically think that mean's we are herbivores. It's just fan boy bullshit propelled by uneducated douche bags with a superiority complex based on their diet of choice. In fact, the human digestive tract is half way between a herbivore and a carnivore; meaning we can eat either.

You want some fucking science?

Humans shouldnt eat too much plant based food because we can't handle the fiber, our cecum is too small.

Just like carnivores, humans have a gallbladder for fat absorption, herbivores don't.

And our midway digestive tract length makes us OMNIVORS.

So spare me your pseudoscience crap.

Veganism is a CHOICE based on how you feel about the production/killing of animals for food. It is NOT the healthier option, and humans are NOT herbivores. You want to debate the morals, sure, I'll go there with you, but don't turn to science to justify your set of beliefs.

Oh, and yeah, a set of beliefs, is also called a Religion.

 

[Rukas]

So by that logic you should also be eating dirt and paper as it doest kill you and has some nutritional benefit

Dirt and paper doesnt have the amino acids, proteins and vitamins of meat. It adds nothing to a balanced diet. Stop being a child.

 

[Casey]

You want some fucking science?

OMG TOO MUCH SCIENCE CAN'T HANDLE IT

*dies of obvious malnutrition*

Quitcha raging at me and reply to Post #16, since it's the most intelligent thing in this entire thread.

 

[Rukas]

What's the purpose of this thread? Also, what happened that made you go on an anti-vegan crusade?

I got extremely sick from being a vegetarian (borderline vegan as I dont do dairy) for two years and saw the error of my ways.

And the purpose of this thread was to actually poke fun at "supplements" and "detox diets" and fad diets (which veganism is, it's a fad, half the people do it to be alternative -- i know quite a few of them. Funnily enough they also smoke and do drugs, so you know, yeah, Im sure they're all about health ) more so than anything. No one even picked up on those though. I just pictured her face getting all of those wrinkles because she was straining on the toilet and it made me laugh.

Chick on the right, even at 51, Id do, and would LOVE to have me cook breakfast in the morning...

 

[Casey]

I got extremely sick from being a vegetarian (borderline vegan as I dont do dairy) for two years and saw the error of my ways.

so your experience discounts the millions of healthy vegetarians and vegans in the world. OK.

i counter your experience with the fact that i'm leaner, healthier, more energetic, with more stamina than i've ever had since i became vegan. also, i haven't had a single cold, cough or any of that since i became vegan either.

now, you might say that the millions of healthy vegetarians and vegans also does not discount your experience. which is fair enough. however, there are far more people in the world that would benefit from a little more of the vegetarian/vegan lifestyle than the other way around. last i checked, obesity is a serious problem in most developed countries. not to mention cancers, heart diseases, diabetes and a lot more, of which meat consumption is a large contributor to.

also, people who are vegan for the wrong reasons (because they jumped on a bandwagon or whatever) are a very small minority and not at all representative of the global vegan community. so if you want to paint an entire community with the same brush because you happened to meet one or two or three hipster vegans who smoke and do drugs, that's your prerog B. most of us, however, know better.

 

[Rukas]

Other than coming down with hayfever for the first time in my life, I didnt get sick as a vegan either. I did get small and weak and unfit in the physical sense.

Now I eat HEALTHY and balanced. Please understand when I say eating meat is good, I dont mean McDonalds and crap like that. I mean good lean meat. Eating healthy is the key, no matter what diet, I think we can both agree on that.

So now I dont get sick either, and I am a lot stronger and feel younger and healthier. I unfortunately still have the hayfever. Although not as bad.

The reason for being healthier as a vegetarian was not because I stopped eating meat, but because I ate a lot of vegetables and good food as you do, and as I still do. Adding meat back to my diet did not make the benefit of eating vegetables go away. I still have that benefit, and now I also have the benefit of what meat provides.

If you want to be a vegan, it is a lifestyle choice based on how you feel about animals. You would be no less healthy however if you kept the current healthy diet and added lean chicken or fish for example, you'd in fact be healthier. Eating meat would not demolish the benefits of a diet high in healthy vegetables.

Like I said before, I still eat tofu. For lunch today I am going to make some bean curd, broccoli, brussels sprouts, carrots and fish drizzled in lemon and rosemary.

Last night for dinner I had a baby spinach, cucumber, cherry tomato and chicken salad with avacado, some nuts, and home made dressing.

For dinner tonight Im going to cut up a bunch of vegetables, like sweat potato, pumpkin, zuccini (sp?), eggplant, etc etc, and roast them with home made chicken kiev. Probably make beetroot soup (barszcz) for an entree.

 

[dilla]

But the difference lies in the type of meat and the way in which it was prepared. Chicken, fish, and turkey are healthy. Beef, pork, etc. are not. But you can make red meat, like filet mignon healthier than chicken if the chicken is coated in butter and/or fried.

Can you live without meat? Hell yeah, you can. My dad does. He's not vegan, though. I had a conversation with him and he too told me that balance was key. There are two, or a few more, amino acids that can only be found in meat. You can live without it, though. I'm sure you'll be lacking somehow, someway, but nothing life-threatening.

But giving up dairy? I compared a box of almond milk and dairy milk, and while the almond milk had fewer of the bad stuff (cholesterol) than dairy, it definitely lacked in a few of the stuff you do need. Can't remember exactly, I was buying groceries at Wal-Mart and we were in a rush. I still enjoy almond milk, though.

If we're talking balance, I see no problem with being vegan most of the time and occasionally having some dairy and/or meat. Maybe one or two meals a week. If you're doing veganism for ethical reasons, this might not be possible, but for health reasons and you want all the bases covered, 100g (of healthy, well-prepared meat) isn't too bad for a week.

There's definitely a pro in not eating meat all the time, baked or not.

And how the shit do people have time to make full-fledge meals? Even in med school, there's kids that make a salad to go along with the chicken parmesan and pasta they made for dinner. That's like...2 hours you could have sat your ass down and read or masturbated. Two hours on eating? Even this tubby doesn't do that.

 

[vg4030]

Dirt and paper doesnt have the amino acids, proteins and vitamins of meat. It adds nothing to a balanced diet. Stop being a child.

Sure. Once you stop being blind, ignorant, stubborn and argumentative for no reason

 

[Rukas]

But the difference lies in the type of meat and the way in which it was prepared. Chicken, fish, and turkey are healthy. Beef, pork, etc. are not. But you can make red meat, like filet mignon healthier than chicken if the chicken is coated in butter and/or fried.

Can you live without meat? Hell yeah, you can. My dad does. He's not vegan, though. I had a conversation with him and he too told me that balance was key. There are two, or a few more, amino acids that can only be found in meat. You can live without it, though. I'm sure you'll be lacking somehow, someway, but nothing life-threatening.

But giving up dairy? I compared a box of almond milk and dairy milk, and while the almond milk had fewer of the bad stuff (cholesterol) than dairy, it definitely lacked in a few of the stuff you do need. Can't remember exactly, I was buying groceries at Wal-Mart and we were in a rush. I still enjoy almond milk, though.

If we're talking balance, I see no problem with being vegan most of the time and occasionally having some dairy and/or meat. Maybe one or two meals a week. If you're doing veganism for ethical reasons, this might not be possible, but for health reasons and you want all the bases covered, 100g (of healthy, well-prepared meat) isn't too bad for a week.

There's definitely a pro in not eating meat all the time, baked or not.

And how the shit do people have time to make full-fledge meals? Even in med school, there's kids that make a salad to go along with the chicken parmesan and pasta they made for dinner. That's like...2 hours you could have sat your ass down and read or masturbated. Two hours on eating? Even this tubby doesn't do that.

I dont drink milk because it makes me feel like shit. I do lloooooove cheese though.

The meals I listed above take me like 5 mins top to prepare.

You could do that, meat once or twice a week, but you need to make sure you get your protein from other sources when you dont eat meat.

I never fry my meat in oil anymore, and I dont batter. I george foreman grill or roast. Just easier and quicker.

 

[dilla]

I fry my chicken in olive oil. Well....I marinade chicken with some olive oil and spices. Then coat the pan with oil from the chicken itself and then cook it on medium for like...15 minutes. It gets a bit crispy on the outside and still stays juicy on the inside. I'm not patient enough to bake. Otherwise I'd do that. I did make a casserole with rice and cream of chicken soup and a few chicken breasts. That required the oven and was a meal for days.

The only thing that lasted longer was the pot of chili I made with the bagged chili mix. Six days, every meal. Threw some onions, some beef...oh fuck me, I gotta get some of that when I go back.
http://www.amazon.com/Bear-Creek-Country-Kitchens-Chili/dp/B000H2405M

That, if anyone cares.

 

[dilla]

I dont drink milk because it makes me feel like shit. I do lloooooove cheese though.

The meals I listed above take me like 5 mins top to prepare.

You could do that, meat once or twice a week, but you need to make sure you get your protein from other sources when you dont eat meat.

I never fry my meat in oil anymore, and I dont batter. I george foreman grill or roast. Just easier and quicker.

You don't cook with it either? Mac n cheese? Any kind of curry?