Pakistan wants Facebook CEO Zuckerberg dead
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The way the "animals" live is the "natural" way to live. Humans are animals, but we like to think of ourselves as separate and that the animals are the ones playing "cathch-up." I sometimes think humans evolved way too fast or their own good. If we want to solve all the world problems, we would need to go back to a primitive lifestyle, something no one in this world is willing to do. Because of this, we have technology and other things that complicate matters, and because we have these, we will have war, disagreements, etc.
I don't see what that has to do with anything. Besides which, gorillas are herbivores. Because they are smart. It isn't in their nature to kill humans.
I was referring to natural carnivores in my post.
Obviously, an advanced ability to create society, culture, ability to reason and think in abstract, hypothetical terms, discussing and buiding on complex ideas, understanding of mortality, contemplation of purpose and self reflection are other things that distinguish us from other animals. And somewhat depressingly, the ability to deliberately lie and deceive separates us.
I was referring to natural carnivores in my post.
Obviously, an advanced ability to create society, culture, ability to reason and think in abstract, hypothetical terms, discussing and buiding on complex ideas, understanding of mortality, contemplation of purpose and self reflection are other things that distinguish us from other animals. And somewhat depressingly, the ability to deliberately lie and deceive separates us.
no one's catching feelings you drama queen.
my point is pretty clear. you have a new member to the board who considers a comment to be racial, and he's lambasted by everyone, with a moderator (Carmi) virtually telling him to fuck off. it's this sort of behaviour which I find disgusting. regardless of whether Casey's comment was in jest, or not, or whatever - Manny is a new member and is obviously not accustomed to how people are here, so if he initially found something to be racial, you should understand where he's coming from.
you try to justify shitting on him because he didn't write a thesis acknowledging that some muslims are bad or whatever, and that he's "focussing on insignificant thing" such as Casey's comments. but this is just fucking irrational. when an unnecessary comment is made which can be offensive to someone, don't be surprised that someone may feel hurt by it. that's completely reasonable.
plain and simple. if you can't undertstand the connection, then that's fucked.
however i take greater issue with the fact that members of this board, specifically a moderator, make someone feel unwelcome for no reason. that's bullshit. this aint the first time it's happened and surely wont be the last at this rate.
also, on a side note (not directed at you). some people believe in god, some people don't. accept it, get over it, and move on.
my point is pretty clear. you have a new member to the board who considers a comment to be racial, and he's lambasted by everyone, with a moderator (Carmi) virtually telling him to fuck off. it's this sort of behaviour which I find disgusting. regardless of whether Casey's comment was in jest, or not, or whatever - Manny is a new member and is obviously not accustomed to how people are here, so if he initially found something to be racial, you should understand where he's coming from.
you try to justify shitting on him because he didn't write a thesis acknowledging that some muslims are bad or whatever, and that he's "focussing on insignificant thing" such as Casey's comments. but this is just fucking irrational. when an unnecessary comment is made which can be offensive to someone, don't be surprised that someone may feel hurt by it. that's completely reasonable.
plain and simple. if you can't undertstand the connection, then that's fucked.
however i take greater issue with the fact that members of this board, specifically a moderator, make someone feel unwelcome for no reason. that's bullshit. this aint the first time it's happened and surely wont be the last at this rate.
also, on a side note (not directed at you). some people believe in god, some people don't. accept it, get over it, and move on.
Basic biology teaches us that humans are animals. The extent to which we have evolved may not make it seem so, especially if you compare yourself to a squirrel, but they have similar social behaviors as us.
To give humans mystical powers like "oh, we have compassion, and we're smarter" is utter bullshit. Go back to the caveman era and fight off a lion with a stick instead of a gun. Then tell me "humans are separate from animals."
To give humans mystical powers like "oh, we have compassion, and we're smarter" is utter bullshit. Go back to the caveman era and fight off a lion with a stick instead of a gun. Then tell me "humans are separate from animals."
What in the fuck are you babbling about? Compassion and intelligence are not "mystical powers" - they are things that humans have that animals largely do not, as well as a long list of other things I wrote which you so conveniently ignored.
If you actually cannot see the difference between humans and animals you are, frankly, a moron. Do you see any animals typing on this board right now? Writing books? Creating art? Music? Studying and making scientific breakthroughs in ANY field? Learning different languages? Comprehending ANYTHING other than their basic instincts?
It's not that fucking difficult to understand. Call me when an animal builds a rocket to fly to the moon. Let me know when an animal can understand social concept like capitalism and starts it's own business and employs other animals. Let me know when an animal invents something - anything!
Let me know when animals have their own social class system whereby a minority of the animals control the wealth and power and the majority suffer because of it. Let me know when those classes wage war against another, or when the animals of one country decide to start a war with the animals of another country in order to occupy that land. Let me know when animals develop complex languages rather than grunts, whistles, shrieks, purrs, barks, meows, etc. Let me know when animals develop machines to transport themselves to distant places, different countries. Let me know when an animal can write a song! Let me know when animals can invent their own methods of generating substantial power, like electricity, nuclear power, hell even something basic like harnessing kinetic energy. Let me know when animals invent weapons and start killing for any other reason than feeling threatened which is a natural instinct of all breathing creatures.
"Human's aren't separate from animals". Seriously, get the fuck out of here with that idiocy. That is completely fucking retarded. I expect better from you.
If you actually cannot see the difference between humans and animals you are, frankly, a moron. Do you see any animals typing on this board right now? Writing books? Creating art? Music? Studying and making scientific breakthroughs in ANY field? Learning different languages? Comprehending ANYTHING other than their basic instincts?
It's not that fucking difficult to understand. Call me when an animal builds a rocket to fly to the moon. Let me know when an animal can understand social concept like capitalism and starts it's own business and employs other animals. Let me know when an animal invents something - anything!
Let me know when animals have their own social class system whereby a minority of the animals control the wealth and power and the majority suffer because of it. Let me know when those classes wage war against another, or when the animals of one country decide to start a war with the animals of another country in order to occupy that land. Let me know when animals develop complex languages rather than grunts, whistles, shrieks, purrs, barks, meows, etc. Let me know when animals develop machines to transport themselves to distant places, different countries. Let me know when an animal can write a song! Let me know when animals can invent their own methods of generating substantial power, like electricity, nuclear power, hell even something basic like harnessing kinetic energy. Let me know when animals invent weapons and start killing for any other reason than feeling threatened which is a natural instinct of all breathing creatures.
"Human's aren't separate from animals". Seriously, get the fuck out of here with that idiocy. That is completely fucking retarded. I expect better from you.
All of what you have mentioned "animals can not do" is what's wrong with human society today. If humans lost their access to technology, they'd be far from the top of the food chain as some animals would fuck us up one-on-one. Not to mention the medicine we use to combat bacteria from killing us.
I'm saying the fact that we can do the things mentioned in your post has made us lost sight of what we really are as the human race. Will going back to the caveman way of life solve the problem? I dunno. But it certainly seems to me that in name of God, technology, money...a lot of life has been lost. Animals have no concept of any of these. Therefore, a life much like the animals is something to think about.
If you mean to say that animals don't have wars and kill each other, regardless of being in the same species or not, then I have to disagree. If you think these are factors that you think makes humans different from animals, I don't think we're very different at all because these differences are 1. minor in magnitude 2. have fucked a lot of shit up for humanity.
^ You fail to see that our innate access to technology is what brought us to the top in the first place.
One on one, yeah a random guy would lose to a lion. But we were smart enough not to face a lion one on one with merely a stick.
Now, whether you agree with Casey's idea of humans being "greater" than animals (i do agree, actually), there's no denying humankind is something special. I haven't seen any monitor lizards on the moon just yet, so yeah. "We" have things all others have not. That's not opinion, that's fact.
One on one, yeah a random guy would lose to a lion. But we were smart enough not to face a lion one on one with merely a stick.
Now, whether you agree with Casey's idea of humans being "greater" than animals (i do agree, actually), there's no denying humankind is something special. I haven't seen any monitor lizards on the moon just yet, so yeah. "We" have things all others have not. That's not opinion, that's fact.
Yes they bash members of their own tribe. Relative to us, they're still primitive animals. They will resolve to violence to establish dominance in their own group and they will violently attack members of a different tribe.
Records of chimps seriously maiming or killing members of their own group are exceptionally rare. They will fight to establish dominance, yes. They might "rape", which about 60% of the animal kingdom does, and chimps less than most other animals. Yes, they will inflict serious harm upon other "tribes" of their own kind. That is apparently the course nature takes.
It's obvious. Animals that fulfill two criteria, individual intelligence and social survivability, tend to follow this course.
It's not a poor analogy at all, because not so long ago when we were evolving into what we are now, we weren't much better than the average chimp group. With the world getting smaller we grow closer together, which means we'll fight less. Social evolution. That's what DOES make the chimp-thing a good analogy. They show intermediate signs of individual and social intelligence, which is how we started.
Watch chimps develop religion in 2000 years from now. Then they'll truly hit their dark years.
Records of chimps seriously maiming or killing members of their own group are exceptionally rare. They will fight to establish dominance, yes. They might "rape", which about 60% of the animal kingdom does, and chimps less than most other animals. Yes, they will inflict serious harm upon other "tribes" of their own kind. That is apparently the course nature takes.
It's obvious. Animals that fulfill two criteria, individual intelligence and social survivability, tend to follow this course.
It's not a poor analogy at all, because not so long ago when we were evolving into what we are now, we weren't much better than the average chimp group. With the world getting smaller we grow closer together, which means we'll fight less. Social evolution. That's what DOES make the chimp-thing a good analogy. They show intermediate signs of individual and social intelligence, which is how we started.
Watch chimps develop religion in 2000 years from now. Then they'll truly hit their dark years.
The same could be said that he should understand where I'm coming from.
I didn't require a thesis, no sir. Just a one-sentence acknowledgement that "party X" was being a dick. But it wasn't there. If you have failed to understand that after so much of this thread, you're not worthy of a further tap out of my keyboard.
And no, this isn't irrational. When there's a serious serious serious issue going on in the world, concering you directly, and you focus on some side-matter instead of the topic at hand, you shouldn't be surprised if other people say "OI! Take a broader look, jerkwad!"
I can perfectly understand why they'd get pissed off at "fuck allah" on a message board, it's just that I can't comprehend why they're not even more pissed off at a "modern Islamic nation" misrepresenting their religion on a global scale. How is an internet comment more important than the topic at hand?
Yes, that IS the point. People like Casey and me want to bang our heads into the wall trying to understand what makes these peoples' first instinct to defend their religion's followers on the most trivial of occasions instead of criticize the most blatant abuse of human rights.
Again, I can perfectly understand why a muslim, even a "perfect" muslim according to Duke's book, will take offense to some of the things being said on this board. But if you're a rational Earthling, it should never ever take precedence over the topic matter at hand. Sadly, what we often see from the muslims on this board is the exact opposite. That's exactly the thing that makes people like me verbally lash out so much. ImmortalTech is the exception. He would've said "yeah that's ridiculous, pakistan is making a fool of themselves. btw, duke and casey, you're kind of assholes for phrasing your thoughts like that". Then we'd have said "yeah, we know, but it went down the wrong hatch for a bit. we know most of you disagree with it, thanks for reaffirming what we like to know is true." Bro-fists and repeated thanking is what would've followed.
But instead, we get some guy going "Wut wut u say about allah cum check out my net-fame i will ban you like a mofucka, niggity-nigg-nigg".
I mean...c'mon...
I just can't anymore. The idea of gods is fine, but scripture and dogma is detrimental to human development.
I didn't require a thesis, no sir. Just a one-sentence acknowledgement that "party X" was being a dick. But it wasn't there. If you have failed to understand that after so much of this thread, you're not worthy of a further tap out of my keyboard.
And no, this isn't irrational. When there's a serious serious serious issue going on in the world, concering you directly, and you focus on some side-matter instead of the topic at hand, you shouldn't be surprised if other people say "OI! Take a broader look, jerkwad!"
I can perfectly understand why they'd get pissed off at "fuck allah" on a message board, it's just that I can't comprehend why they're not even more pissed off at a "modern Islamic nation" misrepresenting their religion on a global scale. How is an internet comment more important than the topic at hand?
Yes, that IS the point. People like Casey and me want to bang our heads into the wall trying to understand what makes these peoples' first instinct to defend their religion's followers on the most trivial of occasions instead of criticize the most blatant abuse of human rights.
Again, I can perfectly understand why a muslim, even a "perfect" muslim according to Duke's book, will take offense to some of the things being said on this board. But if you're a rational Earthling, it should never ever take precedence over the topic matter at hand. Sadly, what we often see from the muslims on this board is the exact opposite. That's exactly the thing that makes people like me verbally lash out so much. ImmortalTech is the exception. He would've said "yeah that's ridiculous, pakistan is making a fool of themselves. btw, duke and casey, you're kind of assholes for phrasing your thoughts like that". Then we'd have said "yeah, we know, but it went down the wrong hatch for a bit. we know most of you disagree with it, thanks for reaffirming what we like to know is true." Bro-fists and repeated thanking is what would've followed.
But instead, we get some guy going "Wut wut u say about allah cum check out my net-fame i will ban you like a mofucka, niggity-nigg-nigg".
I mean...c'mon...
I just can't anymore. The idea of gods is fine, but scripture and dogma is detrimental to human development.
Well yeah, I agree there is a hierarchy in the animal kingdom based on intelligence. Humans, dolphins, elephants, and pigs are towards the top in "intelligence." I dunno how they base this, but I'm sure there's some science behind it and I won't argue that. So say we have a pig, who, again, is considered to be a smart animal, and we take an animal with lesser intelligence...like a lion. Just because the pig is smarter, does that mean it's better? This is all about "survival of the fittest" right? Is there any way a group of pigs could survive a lion or two? A group of lions survive a lion or two? The pigs would have to do what the humans did and invent guns to gain the upper hand. My point being, without that technology (which can be deemed "unnatural") humans are nothing. With it, humans are equally doomed when in a few years we can use it to wipe ourselves out. Can animals do this? Can one group of lions in Africa devise something that can kill dogs in America? You think the humans are some supreme species because they have the ability to do that? They can be feared, but it doesn't mean they're "above" other animals because of technology or whatever it is that is being claimed that humans are better because of.
Science merely addresses principles of religion. It doesn't prove or disprove anything about a God. or Gods. This is an age-old question to which, still, no one has an answer for. Therefore, the answer is not simply "yes" or "no" there is no God.
Branching off that, religious doctrine, I agree, seems like it was completely man-made and therefore has flaws. But there are too many people, smart people, that have been believers that have been big contributors to society. To say that only the poor, weak-minded people follow religion is false. To believe religion should cease to exist is fine; to call others stupid for believing in religion or not being atheist is just plain ignorant. If the answer to everything is "science," remember it is all a theory as well. "The Earth is the center of the universe" was passed off as "science" and a theory we now laugh at. As time goes on, we'll realize things we were taught in school when we were younger were also as frivolous as the geocentric model.
My main basis for all my points is that being neutral about it all isn't a bad thing. For those that have made up their minds, let them stick to it. To press your opinions about religion, for it or against it, is what's preventing us from moving forward.
Science merely addresses principles of religion. It doesn't prove or disprove anything about a God. or Gods. This is an age-old question to which, still, no one has an answer for. Therefore, the answer is not simply "yes" or "no" there is no God.
Branching off that, religious doctrine, I agree, seems like it was completely man-made and therefore has flaws. But there are too many people, smart people, that have been believers that have been big contributors to society. To say that only the poor, weak-minded people follow religion is false. To believe religion should cease to exist is fine; to call others stupid for believing in religion or not being atheist is just plain ignorant. If the answer to everything is "science," remember it is all a theory as well. "The Earth is the center of the universe" was passed off as "science" and a theory we now laugh at. As time goes on, we'll realize things we were taught in school when we were younger were also as frivolous as the geocentric model.
My main basis for all my points is that being neutral about it all isn't a bad thing. For those that have made up their minds, let them stick to it. To press your opinions about religion, for it or against it, is what's preventing us from moving forward.
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