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[Sebastian]

When I'm on this board, I find the religious hate a bit sickening

What exactly do you find sickening about it?

 

[S O F I]

What exactly do you find sickening about it?

I find the process you went through to shed yourself of religious beliefs sickening and frightening. I think it goes something like this:

1. Read religious threads in WoW
2. Read a Dawkins book

end result:

FUCK RELIGION WOO YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS!!!

 

[masta247]

@ Sofi & Flipmo - that's exactly what I was trying to say. Maybe I wasn't articulate enough about it in this thread though I tried to explain myself precisely.
The religion hate on this board is terrifying but to be fair I also browse forums where people would hate you for saying a bad word about religions, cultures, ethnic groups with bannings in severe cases.
I think both extremes are bad, though I'd rather pick a politically correct environment since it is more friendly and respecting. I post here for other reasons though.

 

[Sebastian]

I find the process you went through to shed yourself of religious beliefs sickening and frightening. I think it goes something like this:

1. Read religious threads in WoW
2. Read a Dawkins book

end result:

FUCK RELIGION WOO YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS!!!

I dont take this seriously but thank you for the reply anyway.

The religion hate on this board is terrifying but to be fair I also browse forums where people would hate you for saying a bad word about religions, cultures, ethnic groups etc.
I think both extremes are bad, though I'd rather pick a politically correct environment since it is more friendly and respecting. I post here for other reasons though.

What are you scared of, reading all the comments?

You know, i agree that most of the time there isnt white or black, its grey. The truth lies between two extremes.

However, sometimes, things are black or white. And if you belief in god, thats idiotic. If you think religion per se is a good thing then this is idiotic too.

Does that make you as a person a complete idiot? No, not at all.

 

[Bobby Sands]

I find the process you went through to shed yourself of religious beliefs sickening and frightening. I think it goes something like this:

1. Read religious threads in WoW
2. Read a Dawkins book

end result:

FUCK RELIGION WOO YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS!!!

so true, especially if you read some of his older posts

 

[Sebastian]

^
See, this for example, screams for a reply like "jesus fucking christ...you are such a moron".

 

[Bobby Sands]

typical response from sebastian.

so predictable

and what i said is the truth. not that i give a shit or anything.

 

[Sebastian]

You think i read one or two threads in WoW, bought Dawkins books and then i was convinced that every believer is a fucking nutcase?

If you truly think that, which you said you do, then you deserve nothing but ridicule for such a lousy thought.

 

[Bobby Sands]

did i say that?

all im saying is that there is a nice contrast between posts you made in the not too distant past on the subject and ones you make now.

 

[Duke]

The latter is definitely true, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.

On this board, religion is significantly misrepresented. The passionate atheists/agnostics outnumber the passive believers. The believers who aren't passive, aren't much knowledgeable on the subject. Therefore masta is inclined to try his best and even the field up a bit.

When I'm on this board, I find the religious hate a bit sickening. When I'm outside the board, I find the strong devotion to religion sickening. I guess I'm not a big fan of people who hold very strong beliefs and strongly adhere to any philosophy, doctrine, or organization. I find it frightening.

Anyway, Masta didn't mention church missions, maybe they're not big in Poland. But US church missions do a ton of good for the minorities, the impoverished, the developing world. In the US, religious organizations have a significant role in helping the less fortunate, the homeless, the drifters. Who gives the homeless a place to sleep at night? Churches do.

But hey, the atheists will always just see the wrongdoings.

This was about (mostly the Catholic) Church and science, not about charity.

 

[Sebastian]

Did you say that? OF COURSE YOU DID!!

Fuck me...you replied to SOFIs post and agreed with him.

I hate people who cant debate/argue properly.

Oh, and let me clarify a part of my statement:

And if you belief in god, thats idiotic. If you think religion per se is a good thing then this is idiotic too.

..."if you have all the information available", i should add.

I dont blame a guy living outside civilisation for believing in god, but i blame you guys who have read all the things/facts/speculations about god/religion and still believe in it.

 

[S O F I]

This was about (mostly the Catholic) Church and science, not about charity.

It was about that in the beginning until a select few started claiming that religion is the biggest evil of all and that it does no good (albeit implicitly stated).

What you did in your post was to distinguish Church/religion and charity, but fail/don't want to understand that the two are extremely linked as charity is rooted in religion and religious organizations. What is the WORK of religious organizations? CHARITY.

 

[S O F I]

And if you belief in god, thats idiotic. If you think religion per se is a good thing then this is idiotic too.

You think i read one or two threads in WoW, bought Dawkins books and then i was convinced that every believer is a fucking nutcase?

..."if you have all the information available", i should add.

I dont blame a guy living outside civilisation for believing in god, but i blame you guys who have read all the things/facts/speculations about god/religion and still believe in it.

I feel like I told you this before, and I know Jokerman remembers, but you're missing the point of religious faith.

Your first mistake is assuming that religion is about facts and whether God exists or not. Perhaps not mistake because I don't see anything wrong with a person who lives life solely according to facts. It's just that it's preventing you from understanding the concept of faith. I wouldn't have a problem with you not understanding that but it does create a problem when you get involved in these religious debates. People don't become devoted to religion because they gather all the available information and made a logical decision. Faith doesn't work like that. There's a reason the term "leap of/to faith" was concocted.

Also, closely looking at your posts in all religious debates, one comes to a conclusion that your anger/hate towards religion is misplaced. It's not that you hate religion, you hate its believers. Judging by your posts, you hate them/don't respect them because, according to you, if they gathered all the available information and facts, they should have come to a conclusion God doesn't exist. But if they didn't do this, they're idiots. That's more or less your stance I believe.

 

[Duke]

It was about that in the beginning until a select few started claiming that religion is the biggest evil of all and that it does no good (albeit implicitly stated).

What you did in your post was to distinguish Church/religion and charity, but fail/don't want to understand that the two are extremely linked as charity is rooted in religion and religious organizations. What is the WORK of religions organizations? CHARITY.

Nonsense. Sure, charity is a big part of organized religion, so was and is the opression of human rights.

So fuck your devil's advocate trip.

 

[Jokerman]

So fuck your devil's advocate trip.

Stop terrifying masta with your hate! You've got him wetting his pants.

 

[masta247]

Stop terrifying masta with your hate! You've got him wetting his pants.

Worse. I'm under my bed already.

so was and is the opression of human rights

Do you feel oppressed by religion?

mistake because I don't see anything wrong with a person who lives life solely according to facts. It's just that it's preventing you from understanding the concept of faith. I wouldn't have a problem with you not understanding that but it does create a problem when you get involved in these religious debates. People don't become devoted to religion because they gather all the available information and made a logical decision. Faith doesn't work like that. There's a reason the term "leap of/to faith" was concocted.

Exactly. It would be illogical for a religious person to stop believing just because there are some scientific studies showing that there probably is no God if their religion makes them feel certain way. If it makes them feel great giving it up would be pretty pointless. There are people who start believing after a certain amount of time and describe the feeling they have - they feel that they missed it and that it makes them happier, it makes their lives better for them.
But atheists don't understand that since they can only base their knowledge on simple theory and if there are any feelings in play they are negative.

 

[Sebastian]

People don't become devoted to religion because they gather all the available information and made a logical decision. Faith doesn't work like that. There's a reason the term "leap of/to faith" was concocted.

I would claim that most people become devoted to it because they have been brought up this way. Then there are some who turned towards god when they were actively searching for the sense of their lives or to find hope and so on.

I know people dont get their faith by adding one information to another. Its some kind of feeling. But just like many other feelings, there are reasons which make you think and feel this way. And i cant stand when people ignore these reasons.

It seems to me like some people say "I know faith is irrational, i know that believing in god is absurd and him existing is as probable as santa clause exisiting. Yet despite all that, i feel like he exists so blow me".

I hate that because this way of thinking shows up in other parts of peoples life as well and it causes problems, huge problems.

Also, closely looking at your posts in all religious debates, one comes to a conclusion that your anger/hate towards religion is misplaced. It's not that you hate religion, you hate its believers. Judging by your posts, you hate them/don't respect them because, according to you, if they gathered all the available information and facts, they should have come to a conclusion God doesn't exist. But if they didn't do this, they're idiots. That's more or less your stance I believe.

Well hate is a strong word and i dont know if its accurate. But anyway, they are not idiots per se, the belief itself is idiotic, yes.

 

[Flipmo]

Nonsense. Sure, charity is a big part of organized religion, so was and is the opression of human rights.

So fuck your devil's advocate trip.

..but can't we say that about any topic? We can say science is miraculous and has cured countless diseases, but it also creates the weapons that kills countless of people.

Religion like anything in life has both good and bads.

Let's face it, we argue for things that we abide our lives to, and argue against those we feel are completely ridiculous. Sofi could say "Religion has done great things for many people by the power of charity" and you'll turn back and say "Yes, they're also at fault for countless wars in the past" ...

It's a back and forth debate with no ending.

This is why they say Politics and Religion should stay out of dinner parties. lol.
Also keep out penis talk in the football shower, it makes people feel self-conscious... :worried:

 

[Casey]

Believing in a god is as equally ridiculous in believing in santa claus or dragons.

I can not take you seriously if you believe in santa claus or dragons because i live in the real world and not a fantasy one.

 

[S O F I]

Nonsense. Sure, charity is a big part of organized religion, so was and is the opression of human rights.

So fuck your devil's advocate trip.

There's nothing nonsensical about what I said. As for the rest of my post, refer to Flip's post.