Illuminati, Secret Societies & Shadow Governments - Your Opinion Please !?

[tupac4li4e]

Thanks for your input everyone, I'm getting closer to presenting some things for you to all refute or lookup....do yourself a favor though, kick your ego to the curb, and be open minded about all this as this is gonna be a conversation thread hopefully not to much of a debate type of one as previous discussions/threads of mine.

There's obviously gonna be some unbelievable bullshit mixed in with the facts. I'm not saying I believe EVERYthing, lol.

Indeed there is. A lot of the time, I feel there is no better way for the "man" to shut down these "conspiricy theorists" by agreeing with half of their findings, and then to throw some total bullshit into the mix for everyone to then then be able to say "oh well obviously if they believe that, then all the rest of what they are saying is BS too"

LoL, not sure if that made sense, but you know what I mean ?

Discrediting and manipulating people is not hard for the people at the top, they have been doing it professionally for, ages.

Look at the resources they have, as opposed to most of the "conspiricy theorists" out there.

Just look at the words consipiricy theorist, a consipiricy.....something hidden, covered up or manipulated, then you have someone trying to put information together and form a theory about it.

What is so wrong about it, and you see how most of us now a day just put ANY "conspiricy theory" into the crazy ass crackpot shoot ? Hmmm, I love our media and the way they can mould people so damn easily, NOT.

There was no proven science without a valid theory first. Thought = creation.

 

[Duke]

Thanks for your input everyone, I'm getting closer to presenting some things for you to all refute or lookup....do yourself a favor though, kick your ego to the curb, and be open minded about all this as this is gonna be a conversation thread hopefully not to much of a debate type of one as previous discussions/threads of mine.




Indeed there is. A lot of the time, I feel there is no better way for the "man" to shut down these "conspiricy theorists" by agreeing with half of their findings, and then to throw some total bullshit into the mix for everyone to then then be able to say "oh well obviously if they believe that, then all the rest of what they are saying is BS too"

LoL, not sure if that made sense, but you know what I mean ?

Discrediting and manipulating people is not hard for the people at the top, they have been doing it professionally for, ages.

Look at the resources they have, as opposed to most of the "conspiricy theorists" out there.

Just look at the words consipiricy theorist, a consipiricy.....something hidden, covered up or manipulated, then you have someone trying to put information together and form a theory about it.

What is so wrong about it, and you see how most of you now a day just put ANY "conspiricy theory" into the crazy ass crackpot shoot ? Hmmm, I love our media and the way they can mould people so damn easily, NOT.

There was no proven science without a valid theory first. Thought = creation.

The problem is that you're stuck in your own circle argument. No one can prove or disprove the conspiracy theories because the Illuminati "hid it", "manipulated people", "faked it" or whatever.

And the poor conspiracy theorists who are out for the truth are not crazy, they are hampered in their resources and of course "the Man".


It's like me saying my cat is actually an omnipotent extraterrestrial, but won't show it to anyone to protect his identity. Good job disproving that.

 

[tupac4li4e]

The problem is that you're stuck in your own circle argument. No one can prove or disprove the conspiracy theories because the Illuminati "hid it", "manipulated people", "faked it" or whatever.

And the poor conspiracy theorists who are out for the truth are not crazy, they are hampered in their resources and of course "the Man".


It's like me saying my cat is actually an omnipotent extraterrestrial, but won't show it to anyone to protect his identity. Good job disproving that.

Duke, please edit your post so you make some fucking sense bro. *shakes head*

 

[tupac4li4e]

If there really were secret societies controlling the world, we wouldn't know about it.

Hey Illuminattile, sorry but I have to say, IMO, that was a pretty ignorant post.

Just my opinon though so don't get your knickers in a knot

 

[masta247]

I also think that we either wouldn't know about them or they would be massively exposed.

And Duke's post made much sense.
It's just that you don't respond directly to the points that people make.

Also, the problem with "real" stuff mixed with bullshit that you pointed out yourself makes the whole idea unreliable. There's so much bullshit going on in that matter that even if after all someone comes up with something real that sounds unrealistic it's automatically labeled as "bullshit" and it's perfectly normal.
Blame all those crazy retards.
Most economically thinking people can't be bothered mining through unbelievable amounts of retarded bullcrap analyzing something and researching just so they could possibly find something true that they did not know about which at this point is almost impossible.

Since I am not aware that there's any confirmed conspiracy theory I just consider them a time wasting bullshit. And no, the fact that something has not been disproven doesn't mean that it's real (as opposed to what most consiparacy theorists seem to think).
Even then I'd rather not care about something than believe in something that is unbelievably wrong.
Would I bother if it turned out that the Illuminati/lizards with human masks control everything? Not much.
Would I feel retarded believing that? Yes. And I would definitely look retarded trying to convince another logically thinking people that it's true.

 

[tupac4li4e]

I also think that we either wouldn't know about them or they would be massively exposed.

And Duke's post made much sense.
It's just that you don't respond directly to the points that people make.

Also, the problem with "real" stuff mixed with bullshit that you pointed out yourself makes the whole idea unreliable. There's so much bullshit going on in that matter that even if after all someone comes up with something real that sounds unrealistic it's automatically labeled as "bullshit" and it's perfectly normal.
Blame all those crazy retards.
Most economically thinking people can't be bothered mining through unbelievable amounts of retarded bullcrap analyzing something and researching just so they could possibly find something true that they did not know about which at this point is almost impossible.

Since I am not aware that there's any confirmed conspiracy theory I just consider them a time wasting bullshit. And no, the fact that something has not been disproven doesn't mean that it's real (as opposed to what most consiparacy theorists seem to think).
Even then I'd rather not care about something than believe in something that is unbelievably wrong.
Would I bother if it turned out that the Illuminati/lizards with human masks control everything? Not much.
Would I feel retarded believing that? Yes. And I would definitely look retarded trying to convince another logically thinking people that it's true.

Hey Masta, so it's going to be the same old 3, backing up each other trying to discredit a brother is it?

Ok, that's cool, just so long as I know what I'm dealing with from here on out

I tried, but will try no longer.........either you know what I mean by that, or you don't... either way no hard feelings, and this will be an interesting thread in days/months to come.

Duke's post made fuck all sense, what arguement exactly is he try to make, based on what....I have said in this post thus far? Please explain for me ?

Blame all those crazy retards

Sorry, do you mean people like you and Duke ? Forgive my ignorance, please explain what you mean.

Since I am not aware that there's any confirmed conspiracy theory I just consider them a time wasting bullshit. And no, the fact that something has not been disproven doesn't mean that it's real (as opposed to what most consiparacy theorists seem to think)

But the system/society/world governments are all correct & fair, and how it should be, I assume that's what you mean, yes? If not, please explain yourself?

Would I bother if it turned out that the Illuminati/lizards with human masks control everything? Not much.
Would I feel retarded believing that? Yes. And I would definitely look retarded trying to convince another logically thinking people that it's true"

So you see what I mean about authorities or the man throwing in bullshit, but still you still bring up that total bullshit, yes ?

What a smart Masta you are *bows down to you*

Fuckin ignorance has got me fed up to the point where I ask myself, why the fuck should I bother.

Why continue? Cos I know there are free thinking people on this forum, that may read this thread, perhaps not post, but at least see both sides to the arguement and will be able to ask themselves questions they never have before, and/or do some research into it, for that reason I will put up with this shit.

Peace and love yo.

 

[S O F I]

Forgive my ignorance

I can't forgive you.

 

[Glockmatic]

kick your ego to the curb

Take your own advice

 

[Duke]

Duke, please edit your post so you make some fucking sense bro. *shakes head*

Conspiracy theories, by their very definition, cannot be proven or disproven in the strict scientific sense.

You are utterly convinced about Illuminati and whatever. You have no proof for this. But I don't have any proof that they DON'T exist either. So it doesn't matter what I say or do, you will remain staunchly convinced that it's true what you read on tinfoilhat.org or YouTube.

For every common-sense argument that is brought to the table, the conspiracy theorist has some "way-out".

"Those conspiracy sources are shaky at best"

Way out: Well, that's because they don't have the resources the Illuminati have!


"It's impossible to keep a huge conspiracy like 9/11 under the table"

Way out: You underestimate the evil of our government!


"This is the Information Age, there's no way anymore to keep really big things under the lid"

Way out: But don't you see, they control the media!


Etc etc etc. It's useless. It's like arguing with religious people, or debating with some asshole that thinks his cat is a powerful alien.

The argumentative flaw is more eloquently worded by the good people at Cracked.com:

But what conspiracy buffs are doing is taking any world event and retroactively declaring it to all be part of the Secret Plan. Economy booming? Of course, that's part of the secret plan to make the corporations control all wealth. Economy collapsing? Of course, that's part of the secret plan to destroy capitalism.
If it rains, it's because the Trilateralists want a flood. If it doesn't, it's because they want drought. And both are held up as proof after the fact, so as far as they're concerned, they've got proof out the ass.

But more importantly, this seems to be the ultimate product of the paranoid mind, in that depending on who you talk to, the Illuminati includes everyone. Not just governments and corporations, but also Hollywood.
So every single ideological difference you think there is between political parties, competing companies and even the makers of your favorite TV shows, is fake. In reality, they all meet behind the scenes, with perfect secrecy, with perfect cooperation, to control everything. They're having round-table meetings in the penthouses of five-star hotels where they decide that America needs a terrorist attack this year while using their sinister connections to implant secret messages into Hannah Montana songs.

Apart from the Hannah Montana joke, this accurately exposes the flawed argumentation of most conspiracists.







What's even worse is that you create a thread and claim it's meant as an open conversation. You say you want people to dime in with their opinion. People do so.

When an opinion correlates with your own, you laud them and say thanks. When an opinion disagrees with yours, you turn hostile and insulting.

Isn't that funny? It's so typical. You don't want debate. You don't want to hear both sides to the story. You only want to proclaim your own version of the truth and you immediately shit on everyone that doesn't agree.

In the couple of threads and posts in which you were active with subject matter that was open for discussion, you've displayed this behaviour over and over again. You think you have a monopoly on the truth.

In fact, some of us including myself, have made semi-friendly attempts to bring some nuance in the debate by saying "of course there are influential groups, but not to the extent that you and others claim".

But are we treated to a insightful and balanced reply?

No, we are given a demeaning and insulting answer, often implicating that we're dumb, mindcontrolled sheeple.


And then you act totally aggrieved that people in turn reply to you in a tone that tells you to suck it.

 

[Sebastian]

I tell you what i think reading your posts. Its really plane and simple:

Fuck off you maniac. And fuck your stupid ass thread!

 

[tupac4li4e]

I can't forgive you.

LoL, thats ok Sofi, I don't expect you to

Take your own advice

I try, every day, but it's hard when you live in a materialistic world such as ours. Primarily we all operate from the ego first, then spirit second. IMO.

Conspiracy theories, by their very definition, cannot be proven or disproven in the strict scientific sense.

So you only believe in proven "science" Duke, is that what you are saying ?

You are utterly convinced about Illuminati and whatever. You have no proof for this. But I don't have any proof that they DON'T exist either. So it doesn't matter what I say or do, you will remain staunchly convinced that it's true what you read on tinfoilhat.org or YouTube. .

Am I ? Who the fuck are you to tell me what I'm utterly convinced with or in ? You don't have any proof of secret societies Duke ? Go look up a freemason membership or lodge in your hometown, almost guaranteed you will find one. FYI members of the illuminati are all 33rd degree Freemasons, don't know what I'm on about? Look it the fuck up, and do some research.

For every common-sense argument that is brought to the table, the conspiracy theorist has some "way-out".

"Those conspiracy sources are shaky at best"

Way out: Well, that's because they don't have the resources the Illuminati have! .

I'm sorry, duke, who are you quoting here ? Some imaginary person, in order to try and discredit me ? Hmm, sorry not working...... just making yourself look more of a fool. Is that possible? We'll see......

"It's impossible to keep a huge conspiracy like 9/11 under the table"

Way out: You underestimate the evil of our government! .

Ummm, again, who you quoting ? Sorry not working, again.

"This is the Information Age, there's no way anymore to keep really big things under the lid"

Way out: But don't you see, they control the media! .

Ummm, again, who you quoting ? Sorry not working, yet again.

Etc etc etc. It's useless. It's like arguing with religious people, or debating with some asshole that thinks his cat is a powerful alien.

The argumentative flaw is more eloquently worded by the good people at Cracked.com: .

Well one thing I will happily agree with you is that talking to religous fanatics, is like talking to a brick wall.

And, sorry, I'm not familiar with that website. Only tinfoilhat.org.....tis where I get all my info from, fool.

Apart from the Hannah Montana joke, this accurately exposes the flawed argumentation of most conspiracists. .

Does it ? Ohh, ok the Dukey Boy, I will take your stereotypical, predjudiced word for it.

What's even worse is that you create a thread and claim it's meant as an open conversation. You say you want people to dime in with their opinion. People do so.

When an opinion correlates with your own, you laud them and say thanks. When an opinion disagrees with yours, you turn hostile and insulting. .

Yeah, I did create a thread, in the hope that you (same) assholes wouldn't be the same old fuckwits you were on my other threads, how fucking wrong was I, so fuck you, it's on, again. I did try to be nice about it and wanted this to be a sweet as conversation only thread. But you just make it so damnnnn hard.

Isn't that funny? It's so typical. You don't want debate. You don't want to hear both sides to the story. You only want to proclaim your own version of the truth and you immediately shit on everyone that doesn't agree.

In the couple of threads and posts in which you were active with subject matter that was open for discussion, you've displayed this behaviour over and over again. You think you have a monopoly on the truth. .

Duke, you got me all wrong, after your replies, I am all for debating now, so bring it.

You can come off as the cool headed, level headed bullshit artist that you are, but you don't fool me, and that's why I have zero tolerance for you and your crew from now on.

I will try not to be nasty about it, but I have no patience or tolerance for you anymore so that will be a task on it's own.

In fact, some of us including myself, have made semi-friendly attempts to bring some nuance in the debate by saying "of course there are influential groups, but not to the extent that you and others claim".

But are we treated to a insightful and balanced reply? .

You don't deserve a balanced reply, do I reply to everyone like I do you and Masta that "doesnt corellate" with me, well?...Answer the question if only that one !?

No, we are given a demeaning and insulting answer, often implicating that we're dumb, mindcontrolled sheeple.


And then you act totally aggrieved that people in turn reply to you in a tone that tells you to suck it.

Damn, right I'm going to be that way, YOU deserve it and have brought it upon yourself.

Enough said ? Shall we start with some information sharing.....from both sides of the arguement of course.... (yes this is me inviting you to bring your own sources into the DEBATE, so please, start doing your research so you can shut down this tinfoil hat wearing conspiricy theorist, I invite you to, by all accounts.

It would be great if we didn't get into the same old "im right your wrong" type of mentality, but I'm not holding my breathe. If that is truly how you want to proceed, which I doubt, but if you do, please word your replies differently so as not to deliberately piss me off.

Seriously, you think I talk to anyone and everyone this way, just because they may not agree with me ? Get the fuck outta here, and don't come back if you do, cos you know you are just trying to spin and insight shit. It's only because of our history I am like this with the select few of you on this forum.

Having said all that, peace and love to you anyways

 

[tupac4li4e]

I tell you what i think reading your posts. Its really plane and simple:

Fuck off you maniac. And fuck your stupid ass thread!

Oh my :amazed: Seb, such a balanced reply.

It's ok, your still young at 18, I don't hold it against you, but I do expect from that you will not be returning to this thread?

Sweet, cos it's about to get interesting. Seriously, don't come back unless you have real input.

 

[Sebastian]

Shut your mouth.

 

[tupac4li4e]

Shut your mouth.

I have no probs with that, just don't come into my threads and be the way you have been like in most of the others, I really don't like this BS but I won't take it lying down either.

Deal ?

 

[Sebastian]

No?

Who you gonna talk to anyway? You create a thread, dont accept another point of view + getting all bitchy (towards Duke for example) and act like you want to debate in a mature way?

I tell you something: Within the next month, you will be gone from here.

 

[Duke]

Ah never mind, he doesn't even understand HOW I'm trying to debate my point, let alone actually comprehending what I'm saying.

 

[tupac4li4e]

No?

Who you gonna talk to anyway? You create a thread, dont accept another point of view + getting all bitchy (towards Duke for example) and act like you want to debate in a mature way?

I tell you something: Within the next month, you will be gone from here.

I will talk with anyone that is willing to actually talk back, you callin me bitchy, seriously ?

Look at your replies to me, then say that.

If that's how you are going to be, ALL the time, I formally request you stay out of my threads, on the other hand if you want to actually have a proper discussio0n, by all means, join in.

I'll tell you what, if I'm gone I'm gone, it will just prove a point I have in the back of my mind about certain mebers of this forum that can't stand on thier own two feet.

Ah never mind, he doesn't even understand HOW I'm trying to debate my point, let alone actually comprehending what I'm saying.

I do understand, just don't be a prick about it.

Forget all our previous shit, and just talk normally with me, and I will do the same. Stop with the chip on your shoulder you have against me and it will be fine, possibly more knowledge for us both......

If not, not, as the request with Seb, just stay out of my threads, unless you have some real shit to talk about, without the crap underlaying it.

 

[Ristol]

Um, people fucking love George Orwell. It's not really a hated book. Not even a little bit. 1984 is pretty much universally regarded as a classic.

 

[Ristol]

And, Sebastian couldn't be more correct.

 

[tupac4li4e]

If you really don't like me that much (anyone), you could always "ignore" me, anyone care to share how that works ?