Jokerman, go to another threah if all you wanna do is joke around. It was a serious question, none seems to know.
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Jokerman, go to another threah if all you wanna do is joke around. It was a serious question, none seems to know.
NO, not everyone, just arrogant pricks such as yourself and bobbi sands, thankyou, don't come again
Again, you seem to talk very factually, can you provide me with this CONCRETE EVIDENCE please?
What, did you just get it from the mainstrem media ?
Awaiting your sources, cheers.
Jokerman, you are straight out joke no wonder yo chose that name. If your a slave to thier system and do not want to open up to new information thats been released after the fact, then go crawl under your cold little rock, you call your life.
I know ! How about you go trade your mind in. for one that is actially ojectionable and not so subjective to all the crap that gets fed to him.
Bin Laden is a ghost, always will be, always has been.
If he does actually work for the CIA, I would not be surprised in the least, after all arnt we the ones that help them get setup all those years ago.
It's so obvious that people who do not even bother to look into this, are just pawns of the system, like I said there are way to many unanswered questions and new information that has been revelaed to just be ignored.
At the very least a new investigation should be made, but that will NEVER happen beucase that would blow the first one to shreds, proving the whole thing is SUSPECT.
Did no one see how David Rockefella devuldged info about going into iraq and afghanistan after a "major event" ? This was months beofre 9/11, low and behold after 9/11, WHAT HAPPENDED ?
You must really love our government, and good for you, go jump in bed with bush and obama if thats what will help you sleep at night.
I may have some theories, but if you got the concrete proof to shut me down, do so, paste your info and let me research it and find out the "truth" cos that all Im seeking.
I read part (small part) of the link you provided and this last page and all I can say is.. I'm not suprised.. You are interested in a fake interview with Obama and then only wanting a discussion with yourself or those who agree with you. Meh. The "interview" is a joke I find it weird when people make shit like this up..
I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong or anything. All i'm doing is simply asking questions. The day that we stop asking questions is the day that we have allowed the seeds of despotism to grow at our own doors into a great tree that blinds us from the truth.
There are many questions with logical proof that will support the answers. The 9/11 commission was a joke. So we raise questions like, why did WT7 collapse? Please, don't say 'fire' was the main cause of it or i will slap you.
There are many questions with logical proof that will support the answers. The 9/11 commission was a joke. So we raise questions like, why did WT7 collapse? Please, don't say 'fire' was the main cause of it or i will slap you.
Dahhhhhhh
Well all I can say is you do your name no justice.
I'm not surprised you would get caught up on the fact the "interview" did not really happen, what I was hoping for was that people would pick up on THE POINTS CHARLIE RAISED IN THE "INTERVIEW"
LIKE, HELLO ? So yeah "artisticgurl" MEH to you too.
Well all I can say is you do your name no justice.
I'm not surprised you would get caught up on the fact the "interview" did not really happen, what I was hoping for was that people would pick up on THE POINTS CHARLIE RAISED IN THE "INTERVIEW"
LIKE, HELLO ? So yeah "artisticgurl" MEH to you too.
I second that.....
I second that post, and offer another slap happy hand for use should the same old ignorant replies come through.
EXPLAIN to me please...... all you believers in the media's version of 911, how the F*&K could a reporter report that the tower collapsed before it did, screams inside knowledge and edited scripts to me, we all know reporters read whats in front of them most of the time, but cmon, that is just way past a mistake or fumble.
I remember watching it on TV and thinking, (yes I do not have any structural engineering knowledge) but I just thought to myself, there is NO WAY the building would collapse, as they would have to be able to withstand extreme forces from nature.
When the actual tower starts collapsing, it does not look right, when a very strong building like that collapses, I would assume as the building goes down more and more, it would actually happen slower and slower, but the centre just seems to literally disintergrate allowing the entire tower/s to just get completely flattened. And thats just me, joe blow from a streethop forum, let alone these many many experts of building/structural engineers that say there is no way that a plane could cause a building to come down in the fashion. Some say not even a plane with explosives could do it, as it would just blow out the top portion of the building, still leaving the lower levels intact........
That is SUSPECT at the VERY least. Then there are eyewitness acounts that the plains were definately not commercial airliners and actually looked like military aircraft after the media was saying widespread they were hijacked passenger airplanes, THEN there are also those witnesses that were at ground zero saying that they heard and were being directed by police to move back becuase "they were gonna blow the building"....... but nah, nothing suss going on with 911, all just hogwash consipiricy theories and crackpots huh guys?
Seriously is it that much easier to pretend that all the raised and unanswered questions are just from twisted people that are against the government?
Taking full responsibility for your actions means taking full responsibilty for your life as well, and you should be big enough to admit to yourself when you may have been duped. Should be. Hopefully one day. No one like to admit they are wrong, or what they believed to be true was actually false, but people with self respect and integrity should have no problem with it. Put your ego aside, and try to be open minded.
Peace out.
I second that post, and offer another slap happy hand for use should the same old ignorant replies come through.
EXPLAIN to me please...... all you believers in the media's version of 911, how the F*&K could a reporter report that the tower collapsed before it did, screams inside knowledge and edited scripts to me, we all know reporters read whats in front of them most of the time, but cmon, that is just way past a mistake or fumble.
I remember watching it on TV and thinking, (yes I do not have any structural engineering knowledge) but I just thought to myself, there is NO WAY the building would collapse, as they would have to be able to withstand extreme forces from nature.
When the actual tower starts collapsing, it does not look right, when a very strong building like that collapses, I would assume as the building goes down more and more, it would actually happen slower and slower, but the centre just seems to literally disintergrate allowing the entire tower/s to just get completely flattened. And thats just me, joe blow from a streethop forum, let alone these many many experts of building/structural engineers that say there is no way that a plane could cause a building to come down in the fashion. Some say not even a plane with explosives could do it, as it would just blow out the top portion of the building, still leaving the lower levels intact........
That is SUSPECT at the VERY least. Then there are eyewitness acounts that the plains were definately not commercial airliners and actually looked like military aircraft after the media was saying widespread they were hijacked passenger airplanes, THEN there are also those witnesses that were at ground zero saying that they heard and were being directed by police to move back becuase "they were gonna blow the building"....... but nah, nothing suss going on with 911, all just hogwash consipiricy theories and crackpots huh guys?
Seriously is it that much easier to pretend that all the raised and unanswered questions are just from twisted people that are against the government?
Taking full responsibility for your actions means taking full responsibilty for your life as well, and you should be big enough to admit to yourself when you may have been duped. Should be. Hopefully one day. No one like to admit they are wrong, or what they believed to be true was actually false, but people with self respect and integrity should have no problem with it. Put your ego aside, and try to be open minded.
Peace out.
lol how am I supposed to give my name justice in this topic? haha..
Like I said I find it strange when people create a piece of writting like this, why not just write what your points are and let people read it like that. Like the beginning, writting what he thought Obama would say to mundane questions, even putting in there that Obama tells him to get to his point. He could have just done that in the first place. Sorry if I think what you posted is a joke we don't all agree all the time.
I wondered this myself, and then I found this.
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Hehe, not sure if you were supposed to, but I just thought that most artistic people have rather creative minds and mostly think "outside the box" but hey, a name is just a name isnt it.
Ok, note definitely taken on board, and I will do a new thread, point by point by point why I think there is a coverup going on, may take me some time, but I'll do it, and would love to hear all of your thoughts, opinions and data you may have on said points.
Thanks to all that have contributed thus far, whether you agree with me or not, I appreciate all your input, yeah even Little skittle and duke, lol
Peace out peeps, for now!
It's been 8 years, find a new conspiracy to bore everyone with.
Rejecting everything the "mainstream media" tells you and believing everything you see on Prison Planet or Youtube videos is not being objective. You say that the "official story" is suspect, but if you were actually interested in the truth then you'd see that every single conspiracy theory is a million times more suspect.
Like yours?
Rejecting everything the "mainstream media" tells you and believing everything you see on Prison Planet or Youtube videos is not being objective. You say that the "official story" is suspect, but if you were actually interested in the truth then you'd see that every single conspiracy theory is a million times more suspect.
this guy is just some joker imo
He just joined the forums and it seems every single post he has made has been about conspiracy.
He just joined the forums and it seems every single post he has made has been about conspiracy.
What's I'm wondering about is the jump from the evidence to your conclusion.
The evidence you provide obviously isn't conclusive. There are still "unanswered questions". You admit to lacking the needed engineering knowledge. You use phrases like "does not like right", "I would assume" and "just seems to". Even after revealing some of the evidence you don't go beyond saying it's suspect at the very least.
Then there's your sources. One thing that fools people is believing any expert is credible. Put a guy in a white coat and have him say cat urine is good for crow's feet and people will buy it. It should be clear by now that beyond anything it's your reasoning, your arguments and your approach that's mainly being argued against. Who are these experts? What are their credentials? Who are these eyewitnesses? What's the source of their testimonials? Are the planes captured on video/picture military aircrafts? Are there videos of these aircrafts? What do the experts that say there was nothing suspect have to say? Do you have the engineering knowledge to discern between the two?
In your reply to ill-matic you confirmed that you don't have really have the truth, you're just looking for it. It's great that you are but just because people aren't looking for the truth in the same places as you doesn't mean they're not looking for the truth at all. Imagine if none of the stuff you said about these societies and 9/11 was true. Would that change the following point of yours?
No it wouldn't. Secret societies or not these are legimitmate issues. But then why is it that every time someone doesn't believe something you say you make them out to be people that, as opposed to you, are not seeking the truth, do accept everything the media tells them, don't realize the government manipulates them?
You should also realize that your reasons for needing to know if 9/11 was a hoax might be different from others. You said "I too would be on the neverending bandwagon riding in to the never ending "war on terror" if I haven't read all the suspect crap about 9/11". That shows that the knowledge of 9/11 has an important effect on your behavior. You think it's a hoax so you do this, if you thought it was real you'd be on the bandwagon for the "war on terror". That's you. For a lot of people this knowledge wouldn't really change anything. It wouldn't for me. I think the reason why you're getting so defensive and stressing the importance is because this particular incident is important to you and then you have people calling you a crackpot for sharing thoughts that you consider serious and important. But even if 9/11 was a hoax it'd be just 1 of countless things that people need to be aware of. And as you have said yourself, it's still in question. Especially since you're not certain you should maybe lay off saying people have been duped. What do you think this thread would've looked like if you had started it off with:
"Look, the government controls the heck out of us as it is..."?
My initial thought would be "no shit". You're not posting anything new. It's good that you're looking for the truth but it's arrogant and self-righteous to post non-conclusive evidence and write off anyone that disagrees with you as unaware. If you're on 1 side of an argument it's always good to apply what you say about others to yourself. Is it easier to pretend that all the raised and unanswered questions we have for you are just from people that have their heads in the sand rather than people who have legitimate problems with your posts? Or maybe you should ask if it's easier to accept that secret societies are ruining the world? When it's all a bunch of random, isolated incidents it's harder to deal with it all. If there's 1 group to blame, 1 entity to direct all these negative feelings towards, it makes it a lot easier.
I hate the "well, what are you going to do?" mentality but when it comes to things like these it's really a moot point. You're not going to expose them, you're not going to bring them to justice, you're not going to stop them in any direct manner. And there's still the much needed certainty. What you can do is try to bring awareness to the bad things they supposedly do. And I don't mean possible prison camps, possible microchips etc. I mean stuff that's actually happening right now. Again, that's why I posted those 4 wikipedia links to anti-consumerism etc.
You'll have a hell of a bigger shot at making people aware of things like that than the possible existence of secret societies and ultimately it works towards the same goals. Unless you simply have a need to force your reality of others you'd be better served doing proper research and presenting different arguments in a different way.
There's also such a thing as an awareness knight. All awareness, no solutions.
EDIT: "and I will do a new thread, point by point by point why I think there is a coverup going on, may take me some time, but I'll do it"
It took you 10 pages but finally.
The evidence you provide obviously isn't conclusive. There are still "unanswered questions". You admit to lacking the needed engineering knowledge. You use phrases like "does not like right", "I would assume" and "just seems to". Even after revealing some of the evidence you don't go beyond saying it's suspect at the very least.
Then there's your sources. One thing that fools people is believing any expert is credible. Put a guy in a white coat and have him say cat urine is good for crow's feet and people will buy it. It should be clear by now that beyond anything it's your reasoning, your arguments and your approach that's mainly being argued against. Who are these experts? What are their credentials? Who are these eyewitnesses? What's the source of their testimonials? Are the planes captured on video/picture military aircrafts? Are there videos of these aircrafts? What do the experts that say there was nothing suspect have to say? Do you have the engineering knowledge to discern between the two?
In your reply to ill-matic you confirmed that you don't have really have the truth, you're just looking for it. It's great that you are but just because people aren't looking for the truth in the same places as you doesn't mean they're not looking for the truth at all. Imagine if none of the stuff you said about these societies and 9/11 was true. Would that change the following point of yours?
"Look, the government controls the heck out of us as it is, and they are supposed to be there for us, to look after the people, instead they take huge bribes, sorry "donations" so that people get whatever they want passed in whatever avenue they want, it's just plain wrong. Go to any poor hood, then to the hills or some shit, and just see how fair our country and world is.
Elitism, power, money, materialism, competition and ego are all BIG things that our media push onto us, to aspire to that crap and that's what keeps us divided because mostly we eat it by the mouthfull."
Elitism, power, money, materialism, competition and ego are all BIG things that our media push onto us, to aspire to that crap and that's what keeps us divided because mostly we eat it by the mouthfull."
No it wouldn't. Secret societies or not these are legimitmate issues. But then why is it that every time someone doesn't believe something you say you make them out to be people that, as opposed to you, are not seeking the truth, do accept everything the media tells them, don't realize the government manipulates them?
You should also realize that your reasons for needing to know if 9/11 was a hoax might be different from others. You said "I too would be on the neverending bandwagon riding in to the never ending "war on terror" if I haven't read all the suspect crap about 9/11". That shows that the knowledge of 9/11 has an important effect on your behavior. You think it's a hoax so you do this, if you thought it was real you'd be on the bandwagon for the "war on terror". That's you. For a lot of people this knowledge wouldn't really change anything. It wouldn't for me. I think the reason why you're getting so defensive and stressing the importance is because this particular incident is important to you and then you have people calling you a crackpot for sharing thoughts that you consider serious and important. But even if 9/11 was a hoax it'd be just 1 of countless things that people need to be aware of. And as you have said yourself, it's still in question. Especially since you're not certain you should maybe lay off saying people have been duped. What do you think this thread would've looked like if you had started it off with:
"Look, the government controls the heck out of us as it is..."?
My initial thought would be "no shit". You're not posting anything new. It's good that you're looking for the truth but it's arrogant and self-righteous to post non-conclusive evidence and write off anyone that disagrees with you as unaware. If you're on 1 side of an argument it's always good to apply what you say about others to yourself. Is it easier to pretend that all the raised and unanswered questions we have for you are just from people that have their heads in the sand rather than people who have legitimate problems with your posts? Or maybe you should ask if it's easier to accept that secret societies are ruining the world? When it's all a bunch of random, isolated incidents it's harder to deal with it all. If there's 1 group to blame, 1 entity to direct all these negative feelings towards, it makes it a lot easier.
I hate the "well, what are you going to do?" mentality but when it comes to things like these it's really a moot point. You're not going to expose them, you're not going to bring them to justice, you're not going to stop them in any direct manner. And there's still the much needed certainty. What you can do is try to bring awareness to the bad things they supposedly do. And I don't mean possible prison camps, possible microchips etc. I mean stuff that's actually happening right now. Again, that's why I posted those 4 wikipedia links to anti-consumerism etc.
You'll have a hell of a bigger shot at making people aware of things like that than the possible existence of secret societies and ultimately it works towards the same goals. Unless you simply have a need to force your reality of others you'd be better served doing proper research and presenting different arguments in a different way.
There's also such a thing as an awareness knight. All awareness, no solutions.
EDIT: "and I will do a new thread, point by point by point why I think there is a coverup going on, may take me some time, but I'll do it"
It took you 10 pages but finally.
Are you serious ? Probably.
Who says I reject everything the mainstrem media has to say ? Are you proving your maturity and making an assuption about me ? I have said many a time, it's important to be OPEN minded about things, and NOT to take things to heart unless you can prove them for yourself, so, seriously, whatever. To assume I believe everything that is not mainstream becuase I don't believe EVERYTHING that is mainstream is just stupid, presumptious and twisted.
When you said "but if you were actually interested in the truth then you'd see that every single conspiracy theory is a million times more suspect"...... I think you really show your shallowness and level of intelligence right there. I suppose you have read every single conspiricy theory out there and debunked them all have you ? With, what information may I ask, please share ? Yeah, what a stereotypical thing to say when you don't have any real information to share with us and are just trying to get your pint across, dribble.
"If I was actually interested in the truth"?, you say that like I dont give a fuck about the truth and I just jump on any old band wagon, well if that was the case you silly little girl, I would be on the same band wagon as you, the wagon of IGNORANCE.
Glad I'm not, I can say that much.
It's been 8 years, find a new conspiracy to bore everyone with.
It's not going to go away you ignorant fool.
If it bores you then why bother to participate in the discussion, what so you can have your 2 cents in and try to big note yourself, get lost, your not wanted.
I was hoping to find some fellow truth seekers to discuss certian aspects with, but obviously most just seem to WANT to turn the other cheek, it's ridiculous.
Like mine? it's not mine, I am just putting stuff out there for people to question, if they do they do, if they don't they don't. It's totally a personal choice, but I am putting it out there.
If you want to reply ignorantly as you have been, please stop, thanks
Like yours?
Rejecting everything the "mainstream media" tells you and believing everything you see on Prison Planet or Youtube videos is not being objective. You say that the "official story" is suspect, but if you were actually interested in the truth then you'd see that every single conspiracy theory is a million times more suspect.
Who says I reject everything the mainstrem media has to say ? Are you proving your maturity and making an assuption about me ? I have said many a time, it's important to be OPEN minded about things, and NOT to take things to heart unless you can prove them for yourself, so, seriously, whatever. To assume I believe everything that is not mainstream becuase I don't believe EVERYTHING that is mainstream is just stupid, presumptious and twisted.
When you said "but if you were actually interested in the truth then you'd see that every single conspiracy theory is a million times more suspect"...... I think you really show your shallowness and level of intelligence right there. I suppose you have read every single conspiricy theory out there and debunked them all have you ? With, what information may I ask, please share ? Yeah, what a stereotypical thing to say when you don't have any real information to share with us and are just trying to get your pint across, dribble.
"If I was actually interested in the truth"?, you say that like I dont give a fuck about the truth and I just jump on any old band wagon, well if that was the case you silly little girl, I would be on the same band wagon as you, the wagon of IGNORANCE.
Glad I'm not, I can say that much.
I just love the notion that these conspiracy cats will dismiss entire investigations as rubbish within 2 seconds, but for their own "proof" they come with dubious internet sites, Youtube video's and unsubstantiated claims about things that never went down.
Not to mention the foolproof "it looks .... to me", "it seems" and "I just don't think that".
l2debate.
Not to mention the foolproof "it looks .... to me", "it seems" and "I just don't think that".
l2debate.
CHRONIC ! Havent heard from you in a while, what a pleasant surprise, lol
Wow, that reply must have taken at least a few minutes out of your life, so I appreciate that, truly.
Basically, I do see what your saying and can see the error of my ways here and there when pointed out although basically I'm just here to bring up these "possibilities" and to get people actually thinking outside of what the media is telling them. You say imagine if what I was saying was ALL wrong, fair enough, but what if what I was saying was ALL TRUE ? I think people at least need to know the possibilities, in order to resaerch them, themselves, and without ever knowing or questioning, how will they know if there is truth our there, waiting to be discovered?
After reading the whole thing, a great reply, thank you again.
When you say.....
"And I don't mean possible prison camps, possible microchips etc. I mean stuff that's actually happening right now." All I will reply is, please open your eyes
When you say..
"You'll have a hell of a bigger shot at making people aware of things like that than the possible existence of secret societies"
If you truly are informed on such things, you would not use words such as "possible existence" again please open your eyes, and perhaps your mind.
But all in all a great reply, one of the best thus far, cheers !
Ok duke, now your starting to annoy me a little.
So I take it any "claim" the media makes you just take wholeheartedly as your own, do you, you stupid fuck ?
When the hell did I say anything like foolproof? Or that my opionion is HOW IT happended, or that I am totally right and you are all totally wrong ?
Awaiting your head fucked reply, duke, my main man.
:lol:
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