Your conclusion on God's existence

[W210]

people didn't evolve from seaweed, first life organisms branched off to form plants and others as bugs, reptiles and mammals.

And how do we know that to be true?

 

[Glockmatic]

And how do we know that to be true?

could be true or not, but its more logical than everything appearing out of nowhere 10 thousand years ago

 

[W210]

could be true or not, but its more logical than everything appearing out of nowhere 10 thousand years ago

You just said that it wasnt true, so now your saying it cant be proven, right?
And what logic are you using when you convince yourself that somthing like the human eye could ever have evolved at all.

What we have now somehow evolving naturally from nothing is not more logical than God creating it for us, by no stretch of the imagination.

 

[Glockmatic]

i didn't say it wasn't true, i said it could be untrue, we're learning new things everyday. Give the proof that evolution is wrong, and I'll disbelieve, thats something you can't do no matter what is given to you.

The human eye argument is a lame one by creationists. Light sensitive cells which transmit the signals to the brain evolved to stages such as the eyes of a snail or nautilus. There are fish in caves that de-evolved eyes because there is no light in the caves and having no eyes would mean less energy to create and maintain them. Also the human eye is not as complex as other animals, we can't see ultraviolet and can only see 3 colours (all other colours are just mixes of those 3 colours if you didn't learn that in grade 1). Seeing other animals eyes and how different they are is proof to me that eyes evolved.

What we have now somehow evolving naturally from nothing is not more logical than God creating it for us, by no stretch of the imagination.

and an invisible person who came out from nothing is more logical to you?

 

[W210]

i didn't say it wasn't true, i said it could be untrue, we're learning new things everyday.

People didn't evolve from seaweed

You didnt say it wasnt true???

Give the proof that evolution is wrong, and I'll disbelieve, thats something you can't do no matter what is given to you.

Evolution is taught in schools, has had millions of dollars thrown at it, and tried to be proven for the last 130 years, I would say that the burden of showing proof is on the evolutionists side. And thats somthing you cant do no matter what.

The human eye argument is a lame one by creationists. Light sensitive cells which transmit the signals to the brain evolved to stages such as the eyes of a snail or nautilus.

How do we know that to be true??

There are fish in caves that de-evolved eyes because there is no light in the caves and having no eyes would mean less energy to create and maintain them.

How do we know anything ever "de-evolved"?

Also the human eye is not as complex as other animals, we can't see ultraviolet and can only see 3 colours (all other colours are just mixes of those 3 colours if you didn't learn that in grade 1). Seeing other animals eyes and how different they are is proof to me that eyes evolved.

What other colors are there?? And how would we know? And the human eye can do in a matter of seconds what the worlds most powerful computer cant do in an hour. And thats like saying cheetas are faster than people so thats proof to me that their legs evolved. Your comparing apples to oranges.

and an invisible person who came out from nothing is more logical to you?

What in your lifetime has ever given you the proof you need to believe that you evolved from pond scum. And God is not an invisible person, God isnt a person at all, I thought you knew that.

 

[Glockmatic]

You didnt say it wasnt true???

Because saying people came from seaweed isn't what evolution is. If i say 2x2 = 69 does that disprove math?

How do we know anything ever "de-evolved"?

Because the fish in this caves have sockets for eyes but there are no eyes. The same species outside of the caves where there is light they still have eyes.

What other colors are there?? And how would we know? And the human eye can do in a matter of seconds what the worlds most powerful computer cant do in an hour. And thats like saying cheetas are faster than people so thats proof to me that their legs evolved. Your comparing apples to oranges.

Ultraviolet is an example. What does the eye have to do with computers? Our eyes recieve the light (which travels light speed...duhh) and the information travels to our brain (very simplistic explanation).

What in your lifetime has ever given you the proof you need to believe that you evolved from pond scum.

the variety of animal life that is different wherever you go is proof to me. A dog in africa is different from a dog in russia, an elephant from africa is different from one in india. How can a tiger and a lion mate and produce offspring?

God isnt a person at all, I thought you knew that.

People always say Jesus is god, i get mixed up on who believes that. Also in Genesis 1:27 "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him". Either god is a person floating somewhere or the bible is wrong on that part

 

[TecK NeeX]

Whats the name of this fish Glockmatic? and is there proof that this fish at one point had eyes and then "It" devolved its own eyes? or are we just guessing here?

 

[Glockmatic]

Astyanax mexicanus aka the Blind Cave Fish and also Astyanax jordani also known as the Blind Cave Fish, both species of tetra found in caves that have lost their eyes and skin pigmentation. Species of tetra not inside those caves still have their eyes and skin pigmentation

 

[Glockmatic]

Cambarus aculabrum, eyeless crayfish, found in dark caves. Kiwa hirsuta, eyeless crab/lobster found at the bottom of the pacific ocean. Eurycea rathbuni, the Texas Blind Salamander. There was a cave discovered near Tel Aviv that has an ecosystem sealed from the outside world for millions of years http://www.ngnews.com/news/2006/06/060602-israel-cave.html

Also I think de-evolved was the wrong word, they changed to adapt to a lightless enviroment, so thats evolution

 

[W210]

Astyanax mexicanus aka the Blind Cave Fish and also Astyanax jordani also known as the Blind Cave Fish, both species of tetra found in caves that have lost their eyes and skin pigmentation. Species of tetra not inside those caves still have their eyes and skin pigmentation

How do we know that these arent just two seperate species of fish??

 

[W210]

Cambarus aculabrum, eyeless crayfish, found in dark caves. Kiwa hirsuta, eyeless crab/lobster found at the bottom of the pacific ocean. Eurycea rathbuni, the Texas Blind Salamander. There was a cave discovered near Tel Aviv that has an ecosystem sealed from the outside world for millions of years http://www.ngnews.com/news/2006/06/060602-israel-cave.html

Also I think de-evolved was the wrong word, they changed to adapt to a lightless enviroment, so thats evolution

Like I said what is the proof that there was any adaptation to a lightless environment?? Can you prove that these animals werent made specifically to live in their particular environment??

 

[Glockmatic]

Because the blind cave fish skulls have eye sockets. If god made the fish have no eyes why make eye sockets? Also the surface-form of Astyanax mexicanus have eyes, and scientists transplanted lenses from the surface species to the cave forms and they developed eyes.

 

[W210]

Because the blind cave fish skulls have eye sockets. If god made the fish have no eyes why make eye sockets? Also the surface-form of Astyanax mexicanus have eyes, and scientists transplanted lenses from the surface species to the cave forms and they developed eyes.

I still dont think that proves anything. Ill look into the eye socket thing though. And the transplanting lenses, that is like saying they bred a pit bull with a dalmation and the offspring produced spotted pitbulls. There are lots of animals that can breed like that together, but are they sterile or not, that is the important question. That is natures way of making sure the crossbreed doesnt keep producing.

 

[Glockmatic]

Why would god allow mating between 2 different species of animals which produces an offspring that can't breed?

 

[TecK NeeX]

Astyanax mexicanus aka the Blind Cave Fish and also Astyanax jordani also known as the Blind Cave Fish, both species of tetra found in caves that have lost their eyes and skin pigmentation. Species of tetra not inside those caves still have their eyes and skin pigmentation

LoL, Sorry but i dont by that, I want evidence that this fish had eyes at one point then millions of years later this fish said "I call upon the power of metamorphosis" and bang they disappeared.

 

[W210]

Why would god allow mating between 2 different species of animals which produces an offspring that can't breed?

Dogs and cats breed together all the time, I dont know why horses, and the big cats cannot produce offspring that isnt sterile. Doesnt evolution give you an answer.

 

[W210]

the variety of animal life that is different wherever you go is proof to me. A dog in africa is different from a dog in russia, an elephant from africa is different from one in india. How can a tiger and a lion mate and produce offspring?

THats what proved evolution to you?? That there are different kinds of animals, wow you were an easy one for em.

They didnt even have to explain how life comes from nothing, and that even with all their infinite knowlege of science this cannot be duplicated in their million dollar labs.

 

[Glockmatic]

Dogs and cats breed together all the time, I dont know why horses, and the big cats cannot produce offspring that isnt sterile. Doesnt evolution give you an answer.

Evolution does give the answer, I was asking how you can explain it using the creationism theory.

THats what proved evolution to you?? That there are different kinds of animals, wow you were an easy one for em.

They didnt even have to explain how life comes from nothing, and that even with all their infinite knowlege of science this cannot be duplicated in their million dollar labs.

and not knowing the answer to the beginning of life automatically makes it the work of god?

 

[W210]

Evolution does give the answer, I was asking how you can explain it using the creationism theory.

I dont know, I would have to look it up, but honestly why is it even important?? Just somthing else to argue about I guess.

and not knowing the answer to the beginning of life automatically makes it the work of god?

God gives us the answer to the beginning of life, so for me there is no "not knowing"

 

[Glockmatic]

I dont know, I would have to look it up, but honestly why is it even important?? Just somthing else to argue about I guess.

Because if god, the ultimate biologist, made all the creatures in the world, he screwed up. It also supports evolution, where the two animals still have biological similarities to produce offspring, and some are so similar they can have fertile young (most bears for example).