You Are Most Probably A Hater.

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  • Option A) You spoiled brats have super-life on a platter and you are turning it down.

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Preach

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I'm not including that giggly little "I don't know" followed by a pun or joke to try and be funny-option in my poll. This is serious business.

Scruffy's thread inspired me to make a new one, because I want to get people's opinions on something. Here are the two options from the poll, please read them before voting. This is an open poll.

A) You think that rich, famous people who bitch and moan about their lives or about misery are spoiled/somehow not rightfully doing so.
B) You don't think what I just said, but the opposite.

I don't really want to start a discussion, because once a discussion forms, people start to form biased opinions and follow the crowd. Especially since this is an open poll, but I would actually like to know who voted what. EDIT: Forgot whether I made it open or not, not really relevant, thing is I would wish for some votes before a potential discussion breaks out. We'll see.

Consider this a part of a personal experiment I am doing. Just so I don't get cheap shots by suckers who THINK that they are funny, yes I'm a dopefiend, yes I smoke weed all the time, yes I love pizza and nothing else, yes I'm fat and not exactly what you might call pretty, and yes, I hate your guts. Now answer.

EDIT: Longer explaination here:
http://www.streethop.com/forums/showpost.php?p=730827&postcount=9
 
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Let's speak slow for the kids :/ (me)

I don't care to hear anyone bitch and moan...rich or not. It's annoying. Money doesn't save you from depression tho.

I don't feel sorry for all the rich retards going to rehab...but I do feel sorry for anyone who tries to take their own life.

So I guess that makes me (B)???
 
Am I retarded not understanding the question in 100%?

You mean is it normal for me that a guy who has milions, is famous, has got power still gets depressed/sad/suicidal?
It is normal - money and fame doesn't = happiness.
That's what you mean?

Depending on person's character/aspirations there always has to be some balance between riches and spiritual happiness.

So which option should I choose?
 
Life is not white or black, Freddy. It's not that simple.
I know, it's yellow some times too.

However, I am not trying to divide all of StreetHop into one of two booths. But the phrase "what does he have to worry about? he has money, he has fame, and still he manages to fuck his life up and end up as a miserable bastard who kills himself? ridiculous." This is a typical kind of arrogant, perspective-less attitude that I often encounter. A person's attitude towards one thing can give you a pretty great insight into the general persona. Not at a Freudian level as in you don't like apples so you must love oranges.

Just answer the question, and if I'm right, after a while I'll post up my thoughts. If I'm wrong there's not gonna be a point and I'll explain why I'm asking this. If the thread flops it's gonna be too embarrassing, I will just pretend the thread never happened.
 
i'm a hater because it is fun :D

i just have strong opinions :( i see people that try to take the easy way out of life, i.e. killing themsef (especially if it is over being dumped), as being nothing more than weak pieces of shit. depression or not take some fucking meds and feel better :)
 
Just answer the question, and if I'm right, after a while I'll post up my thoughts. If I'm wrong there's not gonna be a point and I'll explain why I'm asking this. If the thread flops it's gonna be too embarrassing, I will just pretend the thread never happened.

there isn't really a right or wrong in the issue, just depends on how you look at it and what your opinion is
 
Am I retarded not understanding the question in 100%?

You mean is it normal for me that a guy who has milions, is famous, has got power still gets depressed/sad/suicidal?
It is normal - money and fame doesn't = happiness.
That's what you mean?

Depending on person's character/aspirations there always has to be some balance between riches and spiritual happiness.

So which option should I choose?
Well basically, now that you asked that question, I realize how imprecise i was.

Here is the idea I am trying to present:

What separates us from our the neanderthal is that, except for less hair of course, our brains have grown. In it has developed several entire new areas of the brain, with their very own functions that the neanderthal did not have. One of these things is our imagination and ability to simulate events before they happen. It's a common misconception that a person's consciousness is a central part of the brain, with supporting sectors that serve various functions as a supplement to the actual consciousness. The fact is a brain is like a tripod with fifty legs (if it was possible) and if you cut one, the whole thing falls apart pretty much. Your mind's simulator is directly dependent on your long-, and short-term memories. Memories aren't stored as a sentence. They are not stored in words. They are stored as emotions and impressions. The extent to which you are able to use your simulator is, disregarding the social norm, limited by your memories, or in other words, your impressions and emotions. Meaning, whatever you haven't actually experienced, you can't really fathom, no matter what you think you know about yourself and everybody else.

To this paragraph I may get the response that "well yeah, duh, I know that." So let me ask then, why is it that everyone, EVERYONE, has problems understanding things that they don't have as a preference or deem respectful or otherwise good? The lack of understanding for how your brain works, and the lack of perspective on people who are not like you and haven't lived a life like you is the very reason why our generation is suffering from more mental problems than any previous generation. Technological advances are a factor. The fact that we now have TVs and PCs actually contributes to the problem, because they are like easily available drugs for people who aren't happy with their lives. They are not the source for the problem though. If people are unhappy, they will find one way or another to soothe their pain. Some people start on drugs, which are arguably even more bad for you, some people become work slaves, they are all the victims of a society that "let them down." This is how they feel anyway, and whenever some douchebag gives them the "children are starving in Africa, what are you complaining about" attitude they only worsen the situation.

I myself have had several depressions. I'm not saying I had to lead a hard life. I'm not saying I ever had to face a real hardship. I never had to make a real sacrifice. I am spoiled and never get into trouble because I have great parents, friends and superiors who have my back. Besides that, I'm a good boy. By now I've grown up. These things no longer haunt me the way they used to. I feel that I have been a person for so long that it's gonna stick with me forever, and that's fine. By now I am accustomed to it. But in hindsight, there is so much stuff that people could have done differently, to which the end result would be that I probably never felt bad for myself the way I have over the years. I don't feel like going into this in too great detail, but I was able to find a way to cope, and now I am actually enjoying a few things in life. I still am a little bit emotionally unstable though.

If I could go back to every episode that, when I look back on it, fueled the fire, I could have told that person(s) exactly what to tell me and I would have been left with a completely different impression. I don't blame anyone. I don't know about the rest of the world, but the mental health among youth in norway could be a lot better. The majority are ruled by insecurities and phobias. I am willing to devote my life to try and find a way for people to interact that doesn't leave people like me, feeling left behind. Now like I mentioned earlier, it had nothing to do with the materialistic things I was given in life, because they were great. I have a great life and a lot of people would probably switch with me. But because of the person that I am, I still can't find pure joy. There is not one day where I don't think about my depression at least once. Now most people would have to wonder why I feel this way when I was given such a great life from a financial point of view.

There are impressions and experiences that sit with me, and they are the confinements that limit my ability to understand. It's a funny thing with me because I used to be that guy's guy type of person that most people liked. Then I started smoking weed, skipping school, falling out, becoming depressed, this was the initial reason. Over the years I have felt betrayed, left behind, not cared for by the people whose respect and recognition I sought. Demons started forming in my head. For a good year, negative thought cycles was the only process of thinking I practiced, and unwillingly so. The end result is that I sit here, in a nice big house, paying a low rent to my parents for the basement apartment, I have a good job with a steady income and free health/travel insurance, I have a computer that works nicely, I have a TV with a playstation, I have several hundred DVDs and about fifty games to play. I have entertainment, I have materialistic shit, but still I manage to not have any faith in my life. It's like I'm sitting here, waiting for someone to give me a hand out of the blue, because I feel I have put so much work into keeping my life balanced that the universe owes it to me to come and save me out of this misery. I am being a little bit poetic right now btw, so don't read the last five to ten sentences so very literally.

The same type of people I have encountered that have blown me off instead of trying to see where I'm coming from are the very type of people that lack the understanding for a celebrity's pressure. Scruffy's comment, "he's rich and famous, poor guy :rolleyes:" particularly ticked me off. I know it was just something he/you said then and there, but when you think about it, it's an idiotic statement. Because you don't even know what it means to become famous. You haven't seen a celebrity's week schedule. You don't know all the work, the pressure, the anxiety. It's easy for you to say "poor fella, he hung himself, what's he got to be sad about?" but that's because you have a hard time understanding that not everyone is like you. This is also why I made such a big deal out of everyone taking the shit out of Rahim. That's also why I got pissed during the Trazlympics. It's got nothing to do with you Scruffy, I like you, but some of your attitudes towards people who don't share your exact beliefs and thoughts are wrong.

The way I see it, the western world as a whole, if they want to put a stop to emo kids, have to give them some understanding and a sense of being a part of something. If not, they're gonna keep doing their emo thing and all our children are gonna slit their wrists before they turn 20. Goodbye humanity. On a serious note, I am serious. Maybe a lot of you haven't experienced it, but today's generation's mental problems can either be ignored hoping for the best, or we can meet these kids with understanding. I mean, emos and Rahim even (lol :D) haven't exactly killed someone. They don't rape people. They don't rob and steal. They are not causing damage, they are just misguided and feel that the world has abandoned them. Continuing to taunt and ridicule them is not gonna increase their desire to be a part of any society, is it.

So what's why I made this thread. Because I wanted to see how aware people were, and then give people awareness from a person who knows a little bit about what he's talking about from personal experience.
 
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there isn't really a right or wrong in the issue, just depends on how you look at it and what your opinion is
yeah what i said when i said "if i'm right" was basically, "if my assumptions about you guys are right." the assumption being that probably about half of all the members here probably understands me. a lot of internet nerds are like me. and it takes an internet nerd to regularly check a messageboard.
 
It comes down to this:

Money doesn't equal happiness nor does money mean problems go away. However, money can make many problems go away, but lack of money usually does not make problems go away.

People bitch and moan about not having money, but people don't bitch and moan about being rich unless it's a specific rapper who says "mo money, mo problems".

Now, I don't share puff's opinion, but I know where he's coming from. I know where keco and ilu are coming from, too.


For me, I can't choose option A or B. I base my opinion on each "rich person goes crazy" case separately.
 
I like that about you.

I too have traces of that "how much shit are we gonna take?" mentality, and there are cases where I feel people need more understanding than the general majority give them. At the same time, there are some people who are just beyond redemption. Not because they are evil or bad people to begin with, but because they have been depressed for so long that they would have to meet the dream girl, marry her and win the lottery all in one day to even put on a little smile. Soon as the more controversial transhuman researches are authorized in a V for Vendetta-like future scenario, we might see an end to the emo culture, though.
 
it's a concept i don't feel i can explain in few words.

but as far as you go, i said i like you, but you have a couple of ways about you that can be perceived as less favorable by a third of the western world's population, and a part of the point of being a part of a society is contributing in return for the benefits you reap. contributions can be measured in many different ways. i'm sure you pay your taxes and give your friends good advice when they need it, but..

like i said, i can't explain this shortly for you to fully grasp what i mean and really see it from my perspective, and i'm not gonna rewrite everything i just said to have you tell me once again, it's too long. so if you care, go ahead and read it some time when you feel you have the time and energy. if not, just forget about it.

do take note that this issue is something i think about every day, and it's partially why i want to pursue a career as a psychologist or psychiatrist. or a researcher within either fields. from a social point of view, it's (what i talked about in my previous) something that people are starting to become aware of, and for our society to blossom in the future like a rose instead of a meat-devouring plant with sharp teeth and tentacles, i really believe from the bottom of my heart that this is a problem that the western world needs to take very seriously. the potential outcome of a mental depression pandemic is gonna cause a lot of long-term damage to everything from politics to running business. a person who does not want to be a part of this world has little inclination to make an attempt to do so.
 
I read your whole post Preach, it was really interesting read.
Now I kinda know what you meant, especially I feel you about one part - you said you have most things in life but you can't find true joy. I'm still young enough so I can't say that much yet but I feel it.

I remember when I was a kid - I was a good boy, then when I was like 14-15 I became a "bad boy", didn't care about my life, future etc. I thought I felt kinda hopeless. I barely visited home and did a lot of bad things. But at the beginning I felt really good deep inside. I had great "cool" friends, beautiful girlfriend, places I loved to visit, everybody liked and respected me. As the time went by I felt like I was sinking in shit. It got worse and worse with every day. I think I reached the worst downfall in my life at that time. I got threw out from school, constantly broke up with my gfs, friends became bums or serious criminals etc. I was envious towards lucky people who had their lifes straight. I suffered from depression for a long time but somehow as I was growing up my mind changed. I left my past life behind (old friends, ambitions, aspirations,). I decided to do something good with my life - with time I became a serious man, got job, found new school, collected money for college and I feel really great about my situation now. I don't work any more because I collected enough money for my future education and now I take my time to study, finish my driving course, study foreign languages (do some certificates) and much much more.

Unfortunately everytime when I think about my life I'm not happy at all. I mean - I've got most things I really need - my situation got much better lately (by lately I mean last 2 years) - it is really good but I miss the times when I was really happy and felt really good (times before I got depressed). I've got friends as well but it's not the same as it was, I'm in relationships from time to time but it's not the same as it was. I feel like life just goes on without me. Like other people enjoy their lifes, are happy etc. and I feel loned out. And it's just because I somehow can't feel happy. Shit I don't even know what to do to be really happy. Like I can't find a place for me - as you said Preach - Like I'm just waiting to find a place where I'd be happy or a person who would make me happy, because I don't even know where to look for this happiness
 
we seem to happen to agree on several things so i can only assume we're on the same wavelength. i get the impression that i share a lot of opinions with goymz too.

maybe the three of us should start a StreetHop emo group ;)
 
This reminded me of an interview with Little Brother TSS did and it fits pretty good. They were doing word association type shit...

"TSS: Lindsay Lohan…

Phonte: Typical rich white girl behavior.

Pooh: Rebelling against what?

Phonte: Your rich and white! (Sings in key with “Rehab” by Amy Winehouse) “Trying to send Linsday to rehab, she said no noo nooo…I’m not goin to rehab, I don’t blow bloww bloww…That nigga was drivin, I said go goo gooo…”

Phonte: I don’t know what those folks are going through, but you know they don’t know what that life is like. I’m just being real. It’s hard for me to feel sorry for rich white people.

Pooh: You’re rich, and you’re white.

Phonte: (Sings “Best of Both Worlds” by R.Kelly) You’re rich and white? And female? I don’t wanna hear shit!

Pooh: She was actually talented…

Phonte: I’m sorry but rich white people don’t get much sympathy.

Pooh: I’m poor, I’m black and I’m male. I got three strikes."
 
I somehow can't feel happy. Shit I don't even know what to do to be really happy. Like I can't find a place for me - as you said Preach - Like I'm just waiting to find a place where I'd be happy or a person who would make me happy, because I don't even know where to look for this happiness
Look within, grasshopper.

People constantly seek happiness from some external cure-all, but they never quite grasp it. They have moments of joy, but are not able to sustain it. In the absence of happiness, everything becomes an issue. Your energy, instead of being spent on the enjoyment of life, is spent on meaningless chores. You make insignificant tasks significant because you're looking for something that's missing. What's really lacking is the honoring of the inner self.

What is happiness? Health? Love? Good friends? A nice place to live? Creative expression? Freedom? Inner peace? All these things are important. Who creates them, and where do they come from? You do, and they come from inside.

Happiness starts with health of mind, body, and spirit, and a sense of inner peace. You are happiest when you're living up to your own expectations. Living according to other people's expectations limits you.

You say, "but it's not the same as it was." To make your life important, don't dwell on yesterday's memories. This keeps you from living more fully now. You have a life today; you don't need to live in the past.

Many people are always searching and the irony is they don't even know what they're searching for--they're just engaged in a constant search. A place, a person. There's a time when we have to ask ourselves, where is our journey taking us? What are we looking for? Perhaps we need to look inside instead, to come to grips with who we are.

What does your life revolve around? Answering this question will help you determine whether your life is focused or aimless. Ask yourself, does your life revolve around work? Relationships? Obsessing? Food? Play? Future happiness? Changing another person or some circumstance? If your life revolves around trying to control the world around you, you won't ever know what it is to be happy.

I learned some time ago that I can't change the American Medical Association, the food industry, and the minds of the people who are undermining our health. Of course that doesn't mean i can't do something on my own to try to affect the world.

What I can do is take action. If the rich won't help the poor I can find ways to do it. I needn't be rich to help them, just kind and giving. I can't make other people stop polluting the environment, but I can stop polluting it, and set an example for others. Although I can't keep bankers and corporations from persuading people to buy things they don't need, I can respect that money, properly used, can help people. I can choose to make money only one vehicle for change in my life and not the center of it. I can buy only what I really need. I can't make others stop complaining, but I can make sure I don't become like them. I can wake up each morning honoring life, valuing my day on the planet, and using my time to develop character.

So you see, while I can't always alter what's out there, I certainly can control what's in my heart. I can generate unconditional self-love and other inner qualities that make life worth living: the innocence, honesty, and playfulness of the child that remains in me, as well as unconditional love, kindness, acceptance, patience, and reverence. Then there is no need for unhappiness or for searches for what can never be found out there.
 
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