Why do 'sensible' people become dithering idiots?

[not really ken]

I refer to this thread

http://www.streethop.com/forums/showthread.php?p=726870&posted=1#post726870

Most people in their are idiots to begin with. But why do they buy into hype like this? They can't possibly be this dumb can they?

50 & Kanye are probably laughing like school girls at all the money they're going to make because people think they actually can hold some sort of sway over pop culture in the US.
My friend is ordering two copies from Amazon of Kanyes album because "Hey, if Kanye outsells 50, 50 is going to retire and not put out anymore crap".

I've been trying to explain to him that it's just a ploy to make money and you don't actually really have any kind of significant power to make a difference. He's normally a fairly intelligent guy.

 

[Rahim]

haha if it makes u feeel any better im not going to buy any of their albums because 2Pac out weighs both of them put together. so i guess the door is still open for 50 to leave the building. i still he needs to make more of an impact before even think about leaving. unless he is secretly a workaholic and left a stash of unreleased gems like 2Pac did...i dont think he should even think about retriing yet.

 

[S O F I]

It's not lack of intelligence but moreso belief (blind) in pride, honesty, and dignity. I may be too naive in believing that people have these traits. If a man such as 50 cent states such a claim, I believe he should honor it. It doesn't take too much intelligence to say "people can't sway pop culture" but us rap fans like to believe that we can make a difference one way or another.

Also, your thread title makes no sense, mr. intelligence.

 

[Casey]

They aren't exactly going to sell the exact same number of units, are they? One of them will sell more. Hopefully it's Kanye, and then we'll see what 50 has to say. (probably some bullshit)

 

[not really ken]

It's not lack of intelligence but moreso belief (blind) in pride, honesty, and dignity. I may be too naive in believing that people have these traits. If a man such as 50 cent states such a claim, I believe he should honor it. It doesn't take too much intelligence to say "people can't sway pop culture" but us rap fans like to believe that we can make a difference one way or another.

Also, your thread title makes no sense, mr. intelligence.

The only thing honured in rap is money. Last week I met Napolean, yes, Outlaw Napolean, I asked him what was Pacs aim, he said one thing and on thing only - Money.
He said we did everything for the money, all the drama everything was with the intention to make money.

There is no pride, dignity blady blah. 50 cent made the claim to make money, why should he honour it when he can make more money by not honouring it?

Also, your thread title makes no sense, mr. intelligence.

Do you feel beyond reproach now?

 

[not really ken]

They aren't exactly going to sell the exact same number of units, are they? One of them will sell more. Hopefully it's Kanye, and then we'll see what 50 has to say. (probably some bullshit)

Most people know that he'll come out with some bullshit, but the objective would have been achieved, they would have sold loads more than they would have and thus making more $ and leaving loads of idiots with an empty sense of achievement.

 

[Casey]

Most people know that he'll come out with some bullshit, but the objective would have been achieved, they would have sold loads more than they would have and thus making more $ and leaving loads of idiots with an empty sense of achievement.

Good for them.

 

[Sebastian]

Last week I met Napolean, yes, Outlaw Napolean, I asked him what was Pacs aim, he said one thing and on thing only - Money.

Then he probably didnt understand him

 

[Euphanasia]

I really hope that Kanye does outsell 50 but I'm not banking on it.

My prediction: They will both sell a shitload of records the first week but 50 will sell more because the undeserving artists tend to do that these days

 

[S O F I]

The only thing honured in rap is money. Last week I met Napolean, yes, Outlaw Napolean, I asked him what was Pacs aim, he said one thing and on thing only - Money.
He said we did everything for the money, all the drama everything was with the intention to make money.

There is no pride, dignity blady blah. 50 cent made the claim to make money, why should he honour it when he can make more money by not honouring it?


Do you feel beyond reproach now?

So, what is your point?

If you think I don't understand rappers rap for money, you are mistaken. It is a job and rappers do more than needed to convince us it's about money.

However, the average rap fan who dislikes 50 Cent WILL go out and buy Kanye's CD JUST to prove 50 cent wrong. It doesn't matter if 50 cent will stop rapping or not. Also, there's a high possibility that it was an agreement made by Kanye and 50 cent as a way to get their record sales up. And that's fine. Whatever. I buy CDs if they are quality, not if rappers tell me to buy them.

 

[KJ1]

no way that if 50 loses he will retire.. no way... like somebody above said kanye and fifty are prolly laughin bout this right now..... all it does is build hype..... i personally will not buy either cd... cause im not into either one of there music

 

[Prize Gotti]

The only thing honured in rap is money. Last week I met Napolean, yes, Outlaw Napolean, I asked him what was Pacs aim, he said one thing and on thing only - Money.
He said we did everything for the money, all the drama everything was with the intention to make money.

There is no pride, dignity blady blah. 50 cent made the claim to make money, why should he honour it when he can make more money by not honouring it?


Do you feel beyond reproach now?

I highly doubt that. The Outlawz only cared about the money. They are a disgrace to Pac, all of them.

 

[ARon]

Wait til one of em pulls a Lyor Cohen and starts buying copies of their own albums.

 

[S. Fourteen]

one thing I know is, when rappers say "retire", they're lying. and I'm right.... wait, is that two?

 

[Preach]

Just to quickly address all you Tupac people..

Tupac was a student at the Baltimore school for the performing arts. He studied several artforms, among them acting and ballet. Tupac always wanted to be an actor. It makes perfect sense because he was such a devoted, energetic person. By Tupac's own account, in an interview, acting was his passion, his fire, his dream from the get-go. After he had been rapping for a while, starting with Born Busy at the age of 15, Strictly Dope at the age of about 17 or 18, and after having signed a deal with D.U. and realized that there was serious money to be made from this, he went out and did it. He started rapping. Throughout his career he kept starring in movies, and by now he would probably have been a second Ice Cube (funny how both their music changed from political to gangsta over the years btw). He never did want to drop album year after year. Why do you think he started Makaveli records? He described his plans for the future pretty well in a very easily available interview.

My point is that soon as Pac got a following, he realized that the message that he had, that basically every undermined black american has probably, could be easily spread through his music. But the fact that music could get him money that acting couldn't was the very reason why Pac turned rapper in the first place.

And beyond that, what do you think, that Pac was some angel? We can all be selfless at times, but it is embedded in your brain and dna that YOU are the center of you, not anybody else. He had a message that was VERY important, but in the end I am pretty sure Tupac was happy with the money he made, and probably wouldn't have gone on making music to inspire the people if he didn't earn shit from it.

So you're wrong. It's correct. Tupac was in it for the money. Stop being fucking guillable lol.

 

[ill-matic]

^^ of course. He came from poverty, why the fuck wouldnt he want money?

 

[S O F I]

You can make money while making good music.

You can make money by making crappy music. Crappy music is easier to make than good music. You can make money by creating quality pieces of furniture or you can make money by creating shitty furniture(Ikea).

In rap, overall majority of rappers has found it to be that they don't have to work too hard to make lots of money. So, they don't have to work hard to make good music. 50 Cent is at the forefront of that. I wish NOT to endorse that.

 

[Preach]

You can make money while making good music.

You can make money by making crappy music. Crappy music is easier to make than good music. You can make money by creating quality pieces of furniture or you can make money by creating shitty furniture(Ikea).

In rap, overall majority of rappers has found it to be that they don't have to work too hard to make lots of money. So, they don't have to work hard to make good music. 50 Cent is at the forefront of that. I wish NOT to endorse that.

i hear what you're saying. when it comes to the process of actually making the music, maybe you're right.

but if you had to follow 50's schedule for a week, or at least his schedule from 2-4 years ago, i'm sure you would almost die. being a celebrity is a lot of hard work, and you don't just make music. you know this though, i just wanted to point out that for all the hatred i have for 50 cent myself, saying he doesn't work hard like in general, is unfair.

 

[Euphanasia]

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if you had to follow 50's schedule for a week, or at least his schedule from 2-4 years ago, i'm sure you would almost die. being a celebrity is a lot of hard work, and you don't just make music. you know this though, i just wanted to point out that for all the hatred i have for 50 cent myself, saying he doesn't work hard like in general, is unfair.

Yes, I think anyone would have to agree that not only does someone like 50 cent work hard, but he works incredibly hard. As much as I really dislike the fact that 50 sells the amount of albums he does with very little rapping/lyrical talent, while other rappers who have a lot more skill (Lupe Fiasco, Talib Kweli, etc) don't sell very much, people have to admit that he's a very intelligent businessman - he knows how to make his fucking money. I think the difference here that SOFI was trying to point out is that, yeah Tupac raised himself out of poverty when all the odds were stacked against him (a rose out of concrete) and he was definitely, like 50, very interested in making money and enjoying a life that was so drastically different and so very much better than the one he had growing up. However, my personal belief, and SOFI can correct me if I'm wrong, but i think he was pointing this way as well - is that Tupac's # 1 priority was the elevation of black people and, more specifically, black ghetto youth and as much as he enjoyed the success and money that he came into, he would have given it all up in a heartbeat if it actually meant that his people as a whole could benefit and better themselves in a world that, in his view, constantly fucked them over and dragged them down. With Tupac's energy and rapping style, he could have easily just made songs like "I Get Money" and "Ayo Technology" and not carry any real message or give a fuck about the struggle of black people. Instead, 'Pac made the songs that he did because the message he wanted to get across to his people outweighed everything else, although he certainly was in rap for the money, too.

 

[Preach]

You turned me. Great post.