Why Canadians Are Not Good People

[THA_DAN]

You're still wrong. Whoever created the word "racism" and gave whatever definition doesn't relate to its actual definition today. You can give different definitions to those words now that's true, but they're still part of the definition of racism. Racism is related to race but is also extended to discrimination toward any particular group, which you consider french canadians to be. Period.

 

[StayinTrue]

lol you are so wrong...

racism is a term first used in 1936 by a man named hirschfeld and uses the root of race, with the -ism referring to the act of discrimination based upon the root (race). therefore, your claim that racism as a practice or belief extends beyond race illustrates nothing but your own ignorance.

prejudice refers to the pre-judging of another person. this pre-judging can be good or bad, and despite your narrow interpretation, does not always pertain to race. for example, i pre-judge you as a poster to continuously flub when it comes to using the word racism.

discrimination refers to the act of regarding multiple things or people differently based upon their perceived dissimilarities. i discriminate the sky from the ground, for example.

let's start using the right terminology to try to defend ourselves, k? the word you're grasping for is nationalism. dante is a nationalist (someone who perceives differences between countries and therefore makes judgements based on these dissimilarities). dante thinks canada is a stupid place.

i'm glad i could supplement whatever it was you were supposed to have been taught in school about the aforementioned words.

You seem to be forgetting that racism has evolved since 1936. There are now different forms of racism, such as Cultural Racism.

Cultural Racism-value system that supports and allows discriminatory actions against racially and ethnoculturally marginalized communities. Ie. white privilege


Racism can be used to describe differences between race or ethnic background. Unless of course you want to reley on the 1936 definition. In that case we might as well take other definitions from that time and see if they apply in todays world.

 

[_carmi]

see.. .thats the american influence on celine dion... she was bad, now she's worst. thanks america.

canada owns y'all.

 

[AmerikazMost]

canada owns y'all.

you're from quebec.. you don't even count

 

[AmerikazMost]

You seem to be forgetting that racism has evolved since 1936. There are now different forms of racism, such as Cultural Racism.

Cultural Racism-value system that supports and allows discriminatory actions against racially and ethnoculturally marginalized communities. Ie. white privilege


Racism can be used to describe differences between race or ethnic background. Unless of course you want to reley on the 1936 definition. In that case we might as well take other definitions from that time and see if they apply in todays world.

Dante is right, you are wrong.

Explain then why people who hate Jews are considered anti-Semetic and not racists.

 

[StayinTrue]

you're from quebec.. you don't even count

You're ignorant, so it doesnt even matter where you're from, your're opinion and anything else you have to say is worthless.

 

[AmerikazMost]

You're ignorant, so it doesnt even matter where you're from, your're opinion and anything else you have to say is worthless.

Maybe if you pulled whatever it is that's up your ass out of it, you'd realize that I was joking. Maybe you should stick around long enough to get to know the members on here instead of coming in here with 175 posts and criticizing them.


No hate, just trying to kick you some knowledge so you don't fuck up again :thumb:

 

[_carmi]

you're from quebec.. you don't even count

ahh please we founded fuckin canada and now you bitches are saying we're not even part of it anymore. i always considered myself more canadian than quebecer. now if i'd be a separatist maybe you could say that, but i'm not.

You're ignorant, so it doesnt even matter where you're from, your're opinion and anything else you have to say is worthless.

now you're talking to me or to AM? cuz if it'd be to me i'd neg rep you if i could. what justifies to you that i'm ignorant and that what i say is worthless?

 

[AmerikazMost]

now you're talking to me or to AM? cuz if it'd be to me i'd neg rep you if i could. what justifies to you that i'm ignorant and that what i say is worthless?

He was talking to me.. he quoted me.


Chill out Carmen. Since when can't you take the French-Canadian jokes

 

[StayinTrue]

Explain then why people who hate Jews are considered anti-Semetic and not racists.

Do you even know what Semitic means? I seriously doubt it.

The term Semite was proposed at first for the languages related to the Hebrew by some guy (im not sure who), around the 1800 th century. So Anti-semite is a negative term that specifically means anti-Jewish. And yes, I'd say they are considerd racists.

The Nazi's were racist towards the jews(among others), even though they were the same race.

 

[_carmi]

He was talking to me.. he quoted me.


Chill out Carmen. Since when can't you take the French-Canadian jokes

he quoted you but took off your name so maybe i dunno i thought he maybe took your quote and wanted to add some to it.

i never liked french canadian jokes, never will. they dont seem justified to me.

 

[Dante]

You seem to be forgetting that racism has evolved since 1936. There are now different forms of racism, such as Cultural Racism.

Cultural Racism-value system that supports and allows discriminatory actions against racially and ethnoculturally marginalized communities. Ie. white privilege


Racism can be used to describe differences between race or ethnic background. Unless of course you want to reley on the 1936 definition. In that case we might as well take other definitions from that time and see if they apply in todays world.

don't you see that you just supported my statement?

what you just tried to highlight is a subset of racism, but relies upon a bastardized interpretation of the word (because it does not continue to rely upon the base-word of the term). look, i didn't invent the rules of language - i just seem to understand them more than you and tha_dan. the fact that the term originated in 1936 is irrelevant and you are allowing yourself to become misguided.

let's keep it simple, shall we?

rac·ism (rszm) n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

we degraded to this agrument because tha_dan was calling me a racist (which is funny because in the shoutbox he was discussing how brown skinned people aren't true and equal canadians to himself), but i think it's pretty clear who has the better grasp on what the term he was looking for (nationalism) is.

i will freely tell you that i think america is a superior country to canada. am i a racist? if i am for that statement then you're a complete fucking idiot.

 

[StayinTrue]

Maybe if you pulled whatever it is that's up your ass out of it, you'd realize that I was joking. Maybe you should stick around long enough to get to know the members on here instead of coming in here with 175 posts and criticizing them.


No hate, just trying to kick you some knowledge so you don't fuck up again

Alright, maybe i didnt realize you were joking, fair enough. good joke by the way:thumb:. Stick around? you've only been here 6 months longer then me. And yes i will criticize all ignorant comments like that.

Kick some knowledge? you need to gain some knowledge then reply back about stuff that it appears you dont know much about, then u can tell me if i fuck up and by all means prove me wrong.

 

[Duke]

let's start using the right terminology to try to defend ourselves, k? the word you're grasping for is nationalism. dante is a nationalist (someone who perceives differences between countries and therefore makes judgements based on these dissimilarities). dante thinks canada is a stupid place.

Nationalist? You mean chauvinist. :thumb:

You're still wrong. Whoever created the word "racism" and gave whatever definition doesn't relate to its actual definition today. You can give different definitions to those words now that's true, but they're still part of the definition of racism. Racism is related to race but is also extended to discrimination toward any particular group, which you consider french canadians to be. Period.

I don't wanna be on Dante's penis too much, since he's still a smelly American, but you make me cringe. Somehow people like you got the notion that because people "mis-use" a certain word all the damn time, it would cause a shift in definition. That's ridiculous, if i tomorrow say that all who hate coloured people are conducters does not make them conducters.

 

[AmerikazMost]

Alright, maybe i didnt realize you were joking, fair enough. good joke by the way:thumb:. Stick around? you've only been here 6 months longer then me. And yes i will criticize all ignorant comments like that.

Kick some knowledge? you need to gain some knowledge then reply back about stuff that it appears you dont know much about, then u can tell me if i fuck up and by all means prove me wrong.

Still not getting the sarcastic, smart-ass remarks..



But anyway, don't tell me what I do or do not know anything about. I researched the Quebec separation issue pretty thoroughly last semester for my geography paper. Ask mack, I complained about it to him for about a week or two.

As for racism, it's clearly an issue of etymology. French-Canadians are not a race, and can thus not be discriminated against in racial terms. Racism has nothing to do with culture. If a black man went to a Protestant churchor did other stereotypical white things, racists would still hate them because they are black. They wouldn't reconsider them for any of that.

 

[hizzle?]

Is Celine French Canadian? At least that would explain this.

eat my dick bitch

she's hated in quebec so much you couldn't believe it... She's a joke around here...

 

[StayinTrue]

Originally posted by Dante:

don't you see that you just supported my statement?

what you just tried to highlight is a subset of racism, but relies upon a bastardized interpretation of the word (because it does not continue to rely upon the base-word of the term). look, i didn't invent the rules of language - i just seem to understand them more than you and tha_dan. the fact that the term originated in 1936 is irrelevant and you are allowing yourself to become misguided.

let's keep it simple, shall we?

rac·ism (rszm) n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

we degraded to this agrument because tha_dan was calling me a racist (which is funny because in the shoutbox he was discussing how brown skinned people aren't true and equal canadians to himself), but i think it's pretty clear who has the better grasp on what the term he was looking for (nationalism) is.

i will freely tell you that i think america is a superior country to canada. am i a racist? if i am for that statement then you're a complete fucking idiot.

The ICERD (International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination) defines racism as follows:
“Any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life.”

You can fight for the original definition of racism all you want, but this is the modern definition as defined by International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination.

The point I was tring to make was that your definition of racism is old, outdated and was made without incorperating other forms or racism that were not present/considered at the time.

As im sure you know, thing for example definitions, (lets keep it simple) change as the knowledge on a particular subject increases.

And yes, he was wrong to call you racist. Now if you said, USA is a superior country because Canada if filled with Canadians or some shit like that, then he would be right. But what you said:

i think america is a superior country to canada.

is just a matter or opinion.

 

[StayinTrue]

Still not getting the sarcastic, smart-ass remarks..



But anyway, don't tell me what I do or do not know anything about. I researched the Quebec separation issue pretty thoroughly last semester for my geography paper. Ask mack, I complained about it to him for about a week or two.

As for racism, it's clearly an issue of etymology. French-Canadians are not a race, and can thus not be discriminated against in racial terms. Racism has nothing to do with culture. If a black man went to a Protestant church, etc., racists would still hate them because they are black.

Thats ok, i dont expect you to get the smart-ass remarks.

And if you read, you would see i said it appears that you dont know anything about the orgins of the word 'anti-semitic' and how it relates to racism. I dont doubt your knowledge on French Canadian seperation nor did i question it at any time.

Read the modern definition of racism. If you look past the old definition of racism, you will find that Racism and Culture are very closely related. You really couldnt be more wrong

 

[StayinTrue]

Originally posted by _carmi
now you're talking to me or to AM? cuz if it'd be to me i'd neg rep you if i could. what justifies to you that i'm ignorant and that what i say is worthless?

I wasnt talking to you, sorry for the confusion. That was directed at AM.

 

[Dante]

i have never heard of the ICERD, but i will say that they have no idea what racism is and i suspect they are a bunch of pro-human tree huggers with no scientists on-board. under their definition i could hate my cousin for being born from my drunken uncle, and i'd be a racist. absurd.

definitions of words don't change. you can "modernize" it all you want, but the root is still there. it's the useage that changes, be it incorrectly or properly. in this case, misinformed and ignorant people elect to use the word racist because of its typical connotation, all while never even understanding the true meaning.

oh and for the record, i dislike canada for the canadians (duh). did you think i based my feelings on a patch of dirt or something?

last, a direct comment to you, stayintrue... seems likt you have a pretty low post count to swoop in and try to school all of us. maybe if you actually participated in the board instead of downloading from it i'd hold more stake in your stance.