Where is Jesus?

[Glockmatic]

Yes its nice to control people with rules that you have the freedom to follow them or not, yeah some strict rules those are and what an effective way to control lives.

Freedom to follow them, but if you dont' follow them you go straight to hell. Not really freedom if you scare the shit out of people to follow your faith.

Rulers and leaders have set rules many times in the past and their way of controling people was that if you broke these rules you will be killed, thats control not "this book says that and this book says this but it's all up to you if you wanna follow them or not.

Leaders like the Pope, caliphs and imams? They all followed the books and put their laws on the land. If religion wasn't so controlling there would be no suicide bombers blowing themselves up to get 72 virgins or the inquisitions.

Obviously these rules did not work with you 2 and millions of others so tell me again how do religions control people?

It worked for 2+ billion people

Like this?

Yo Illuminattile and Glock, God says if you dont follow his rules you willl go to hell. BANG you are now being controlled

But i don't believe in god

 

[TecK NeeX]

Freedom to follow them, but if you dont' follow them you go straight to hell. Not really freedom if you scare the shit out of people to follow your faith.

So I ask again how is it controlling when its based on free will? You somehow assume that all believers believe in God because they're scared shitless. Get real, thats pure ignorance.

Leaders like the Pope, caliphs and imams? They all followed the books and put their laws on the land.

And any of them set a rule that they will punish anyone who does not follow those rules? No so how is it controlling again?

If religion wasn't so controlling there would be no suicide bombers blowing themselves up to get 72 virgins or the inquisitions.

Incase you havent noticed yet, when someone is attacked that person will retaliate regardless of that persons faith. This here has nothing to do with religion. Also its not like that religion is telling that person to blow himself up now does it?

It worked for 2+ billion people

Were they forced to believe? NO so how is it controlling again?

But i don't believe in god

Lol, My point exactly, all of us have that ability of not believing in God including me, so how is it controlling?

 

[Glockmatic]

4 examples of religions control over people

Heaven's Gate - 39 people committed mass suicide to hop on aboard a spaceship trailing the Hale-Bopp comet

Peoples Temple - 914 people (including 274 children) commit mass suicide

Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God - around 1000 followers commit mass suicide, believing they were "Noah Ark's of purity".

Solar Temple - 74 commit mass suicide to "escape the hypocrisies and oppression of this world." and they were "moving on to Sirius.".

 

[Glockmatic]

So I ask again how is it controlling when its based on free will? You somehow assume that all believers believe in God because they're scared shitless. Get real, thats pure ignorance.

People follow their religions to go to heaven, there would be no compelling characteristics of religions if there was no reward at the end

And any of them set a rule that they will punish anyone who does not follow those rules? No so how is it controlling again?

So you're saying all the people who were killed for being infidels weren't killed for not following the religion?

Incase you havent noticed yet, when someone is attacked that person will retaliate regardless of that persons faith. This here has nothing to do with religion. Also its not like that religion is telling that person to blow himself up now does it?

The spanish inquisition had no aggressor other than the inquisitors, the witch trials had no aggressor other than the accusers. I believe the suicide bombers say "allah akbar" before their suicide missions and murderous rampages, well of course thats not religious!

Were they forced to believe? NO so how is it controlling again?

Oh come on, read history and you can clearly see that people were forced to convert through war and other means

Lol, My point exactly, all of us have that ability of not believing in God including me, so how is it controlling?

we all have the ability, but people don't let go of primitive beliefs through fear of the afterlife or some other dumb reasons

 

[TecK NeeX]

4 examples of religions control over people

Heaven's Gate - 39 people committed mass suicide to hop on aboard a spaceship trailing the Hale-Bopp comet

Peoples Temple - 914 people (including 274 children) commit mass suicide

Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God - around 1000 followers commit mass suicide, believing they were "Noah Ark's of purity".

Solar Temple - 74 commit mass suicide to "escape the hypocrisies and oppression of this world." and they were "moving on to Sirius.".

You dont know what you're talking about. Plz follow me for a minute will yah? tell me which religion told them to commit suicide? I doubt you can, therfore religion did not control them.

If i killed myself when Islam speaks against suicide would you blame my religion or that i was fucked in the head? How is Islam controlling me when Islam never asked me to do such a thing?

 

[TecK NeeX]

People follow their religions to go to heaven, there would be no compelling characteristics of religions if there was no reward at the end

It DOES NOT matter what their objective for believing in a religion is at the end of the day its a CHOICE

So you're saying all the people who were killed for being infidels weren't killed for not following the religion?

PEOPLE CONTROL PEOPLE, RELIGION DOES NOT CONTROL PEOPLE IF IT DID NOT TELL THEM TO KILL THE INFIDELS. DOES ANY RELIGION COMMAND BELIEVERS TO KILL ALL INFIDELS?

Oh come on, read history and you can clearly see that people were forced to convert through war and other means

For the love of God, how is that religions fault when religions speak against forced conversions?

we all have the ability, but people don't let go of primitive beliefs through fear of the afterlife or some other dumb reasons

Thats their CHOICE, There is NO controlling here!!

 

[Glockmatic]

Heaven's Gate was a religion based on UFOs, it was its own religion

Peoples Temple was a christian-based religion

Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God was roman catholic

Solar Temple were protestants

If i killed myself when Islam speaks against suicide would you blame my religion or that i was fucked in the head? How is Islam controlling me when Islam never asked me to do such a thing?

depends on how you kill yourself. Would you strap bombs onto your chest and blow yourself up to become a martyr or hang yourself?

 

[TecK NeeX]

Heaven's Gate was a religion based on UFOs, it was its own religion

Peoples Temple was a christian-based religion

Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God was roman catholic

Solar Temple were protestants



depends on how you kill yourself. Would you strap bombs onto your chest and blow yourself up to become a martyr or hang yourself?

I GIVE UP!!!

 

[TecK NeeX]

One question Glock, do you know the freaking definition of Control?

 

[Glockmatic]

PEOPLE CONTROL PEOPLE, RELIGION DOES NOT CONTROL PEOPLE IF IT DID NOT TELL THEM TO KILL THE INFIDELS. DOES ANY RELIGION COMMAND BELIEVERS TO KILL ALL INFIDELS?

People use religion to control people, which goes back to my original post where i said religion was created to control people, OH WOW IT WORKS! (btw no need to get angry)

For the love of God, how is that religions fault when religions speak against forced conversions?

Still doesn't go against the fact people were converted through force by christians and muslims alike.

 

[Glockmatic]

One question Glock, do you know the freaking definition of Control?

Those people who committed mass suicide killed themselves because a person used a religion and told them to do it and they did. Do you not see how that is controlling?

 

[TecK NeeX]

Nevermind about all that, It's pointless with you so let me try a different approach


If i were to control you Glock, how can I manage that? How can I make you do whatever I tell you to do?

 

[Glockmatic]

Drill a hole in my skull and pour drain-o into my brain, then i'll be retarded enough for you to control me

 

[TecK NeeX]

Drill a hole in my skull and pour drain-o into my brain, then i'll be retarded enough for you to control me

No you'd be dead and useless to me

 

[Duke]

I've seen a couple of Teck's post and I'm going to make an attempt:

The reason why religion is such a good method of controlling people is because it's not to blatant. When a King forces his will upon his subjects he's a tangible force to be reckoned with. He is the controller. But it brings risks, people know he is the bastard.

However, when you can make people adhere to a code of (your) principles based on a God with incentives like Heaven and deterrents like hell, there's no one to blame for that. You get the control but not the bad looks.

Of course I just wasted 3 minutes trying to explain it to you because you think religion is the answer to the world's problems. :laugh:

 

[BombFirst5]

u cant blame religion for ppl killing themselves and i guess the whole controlling thing is just a matter of opinion.
an atheist would see it as controlling but any religious person would say that its their free choice

 

[Duke]

u cant blame religion for ppl killing themselves and i guess the whole controlling thing is just a matter of opinion.
an atheist would see it as controlling but any religious person would say that its their free choice

I'm not saying that these days all religions are mass controlling tools. Religion, probably most notably Catholicism and to a lesser extent Islam, hasn't got such a strong grip on life as it did, say, 600/700 years ago. It is not feasible anymore to think of it like that, but the origins of organized religion stem from the need to control the masses.

I have no qualms with personal religion. It is a personal thing, after all. It is the organized religi-fundi's that stuff their bullshit down my throat that I want to stomp in the ground.

 

[W210]

I've seen a couple of Teck's post and I'm going to make an attempt:

The reason why religion is such a good method of controlling people is because it's not to blatant. When a King forces his will upon his subjects he's a tangible force to be reckoned with. He is the controller. But it brings risks, people know he is the bastard.

However, when you can make people adhere to a code of (your) principles based on a God with incentives like Heaven and deterrents like hell, there's no one to blame for that. You get the control but not the bad looks.

Of course I just wasted 3 minutes trying to explain it to you because you think religion is the answer to the world's problems. :laugh:

What exactly do you think that your neighborhood pastor of your christian church has to gain by fooling everyone into believing there is a God.
I dont think that following Gods rules is bad. Whats the worst that could happen? People stop stealing and killing and commiting adultry. The problem is people create these cults and do this horrible stuff but they are not following the commandments of God. Cults are not religions and shouldnt be regarded as such.

 

[Glockmatic]

What exactly do you think that your neighborhood pastor of your christian church has to gain by fooling everyone into believing there is a God.

Mega-churches can make millions a year from donations that they don't even need. Faith healers who con people into thinking god heals them can make millions and get away with it. In the middle-ages the church had the most wealth, why would they need gold crowns when they are just serving god?

I dont think that following Gods rules is bad. Whats the worst that could happen? People stop stealing and killing and commiting adultry.

Well not killing people is common sense, i didn't need to read a book to learn that.

The problem is people create these cults and do this horrible stuff but they are not following the commandments of God. Cults are not religions and shouldnt be regarded as such.

they follow religious doctrine and interpret it differently. You dismissing their religion is like me dismissing yours

 

[W210]

Mega-churches can make millions a year from donations that they don't even need. Faith healers who con people into thinking god heals them can make millions and get away with it. In the middle-ages the church had the most wealth, why would they need gold crowns when they are just serving god?

I agree with you there is alot of greed and corruption that takes place in the name of religion, but most of that stuff doesnt take place as often as the media will have you believe. But your right some of those people will use God as a means to benefit themselves, which is basically against the fundamentals of christianity. But dont stereotype all christians or all churches as being like that. Ive been members of alot of churches growing up and Ive never seen a pastor living as well my family and we were far from being rich.

Well not killing people is common sense, i didn't need to read a book to learn that.

What about the people that do go out and kill others? Its written in there for everyone.

they follow religious doctrine and interpret it differently. You dismissing their religion is like me dismissing yours

They are cults, I would like to know what religios doctrine the Hells Gate guy was following when he tricked thos people to put on their nike's and commit suicide to join the aliens in their spaceship following the comet. I follow God, not a religion. You can throw christianity in the religion mix, but its the only one thats going to get you where you want to go. And Ill help you dismiss any other.