Where is Jesus?

[Glockmatic]

I thought Anne Frank died of typhus.

Well! I guess Hitler wasn't that bad of a person after all!

 

[TecK NeeX]

One more thing i dont understand is what can an atheist do that a religious person can't? Why does one have to be non-religious to make the most of his or her short time on Earth?

 

[Glockmatic]

One more thing i dont understand is what can an atheist do that a religious person can't? Why does one have to be non-religious to make the most of his or her short time on Earth?

well my problem is religious people getting in the way of societies progression. How many debates will take place in our goverments to decide such trivial things like gay marriage? Stem Cell research? Teaching creationism in science classes? Just because you want to go to heaven you don't have to drag other people into what you believe in

 

[TecK NeeX]

^ Read my question again, what you said has fuck all to do with what i asked

 

[Glockmatic]

Alright. An athiest can accept gay marriage, a religious person cannot. an athiest can fully understand and support stem cell research (embryonic) for the betterment of the human race, a religious person cannot. an athiest supports teaching our children science as we know it without a man floating out in space creating us all, hardline religious people cannot. An athiest does not need to follow a 2000 year old doctrine to know what is right or wrong, a religious person does.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Alright. An athiest can accept gay marriage, a religious person cannot. an athiest can fully understand and support stem cell research (embryonic) for the betterment of the human race, a religious person cannot. an athiest supports teaching our children science as we know it without a man floating out in space creating us all, hardline religious people cannot. An athiest does not need to follow a 2000 year old doctrine to know what is right or wrong, a religious person does.

None of those things can make your life more enjoyable than mine. Nice try though really

Oh and i support teaching science to children without teaching I.D. But it doesnt hurt to teach it in a seperate optional class to anyone willing to learn.

I dont read the Qur'an to know right from wrong. I can pretty much figure that out using my own brain

I dont have anything against the use of embryonic stem cells.

whats left gay marriage? Do i care? No, does that make your life more joyous if you care? No

The only things in life that a religious person cant do that an atheist can is harmful things, thats about it and one does NOT have to be religious to be smart enough not to do it

So I ask again

then you've wasted your life. Rather than making the most of your short time on earth,

Like what?

 

[Illuminattile]

At the end of the day he still believes in a God and you don't therefore he has hope and you dont, so pascals wager does work. There is the possibility that his God is the right one, you on the other hand dont have that possibility.

No, he's limiting himself to one God. I, on the other hand, am basing my belief (or lack thereof) on the facts I've been presented with. I'm a free agent. If there is a God, I like to think he'd appreciate skepticism more than blind belief in whatever religion you're taught to believe in. After all, at least I haven't been worshipping false idols.

Nope. Denying the existence of God all together is more of an "annoyance" than believing in a false God.

I didn't realise you were God. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post.

How do you know that? How do you know those people are wasting their life and money by believing in that God?

If that God doesn't exist, then the time and money they invested into that religion was wasted. It came to nothing.

to adopt a religion one must accept it full heartedly with sincerety and love. You're assuming that people believe in a religion for the sole reason of avoiding hell and entering heaven when infact that is far from the truth. I dont believe in Islam because i fear hell and want to enter heaven, i Believe in Islam because I feel it is best and most fun for me to live it making that not a waste instead an joyful life. Not everyone wants to live life the way you want to live yours

I don't know how you've managed to reach that conclusion. I know that some people believe in religion for reasons other than fear of punishment/hope of reward. But we're not talking about those people. Those people don't need to be given extra incentive, they've already chosen to believe in God. And that's fine. If you have a good reason to believe in God, knock yourself out. My point is, Pascal's wager is not a good reason.

Again you're assuming that pascals wager applies only to those type of people and not the ones with faith.

Pascal's wager does only apply to those people. That's how it works. It's supposed to convince people who don't have faith that - even if they don't buy into all the stories - they should still believe in God to be on the safe side. That is Pascal's wager.

So all in all your points really suck

Eh, typing all this was still more productive than the time you spent praying today. :thumb:

One more thing i dont understand is what can an atheist do that a religious person can't?

Eat pork
Eat beef
Eat frogs' legs
Drink alcohol
Have sex
Wear a condom while having sex
Masturbate
Marry people from other faiths
Name my kids whatever I want to
Get a haircut
Get cosmetic surgery
Swat flies
Have a blood transfusion
Covet thy neighbour's possessions
Go 'commando'

Lots of things. Thanks for asking.

One thing I don't understand...

I dont believe in Islam because i fear hell and want to enter heaven, i Believe in Islam because I feel it is best and most fun for me to live it making that not a waste instead an joyful life.

Choosing Islam because it's fun...that's a new one to me. What's so fun about being a Muslim? What can you do as a Muslim that you can't do as a non-Muslim?

 

[Glockmatic]

None of those things can make your life more enjoyable than mine. Nice try though really

Oh and i support teaching science to children without teaching I.D. But it doesnt hurt to teach it in a seperate optional class to anyone willing to learn.

I dont read the Qur'an to know right from wrong. I can pretty much figure that out using my own brain

I dont have anything against the use of embryonic stem cells.

whats left gay marriage? Do i care? No, does that make your life more joyous if you care? No

The only things in life that a religious person cant do that an atheist can is harmful things, thats about it and one does NOT have to be religious to be smart enough not to do it

a large portion of religious people have problems with every one of those points i put, thats why there are debates of it in our goverments when they should really debate important things.

Choosing Islam because it's fun...that's a new one to me. What's so fun about being a Muslim? What can you do as a Muslim that you can't do as a non-Muslim?

submitting of course.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Eat pork

Beef, Chicken, Sea Food, Buffalo, Deer meat all have better taste. Your life is not better than mine. I dont wanna eat meat that will eat Human beings. Thank you very much. i dont see where the fun in that is.

Eat beef

I eat it

Eat frogs' legs

Where is the fun in that? what makes your life more fun by eating that? eating frogs is not against my religion, i can eat it if wanted to.

Drink alcohol

Very harmful. its not only religious people that dont drink it

Have sex

We have sex

Wear a condom while having sex

We wear condoms

Masturbate

We masturbate

Marry people from other faiths

We marry people of other faiths

Name my kids whatever I want to

If you think your life is much more fun than mine by naming your son Bob instead of Ali by all means you win this argument

Get a haircut

I do all the time

and blah blah blah


Very tempting to leave Islam but ..nah!

Choosing Islam because it's fun...that's a new one to me. What can you do as a Muslim that you can't do as a non-Muslim?

I didn't mean it like that, what I meant was Isalm is just as fun as being non-religious and i dont see how i cant make the most of life by being a Muslim.

What can you do as a Muslim that you can't do as a non-Muslim?

I didn't bring that up, you did, you're the one who thinks non-religious people can do a whole lot more a religious people could.

 

[TecK NeeX]

a large portion of religious people have problems with every one of those points i put, thats why there are debates of it in our goverments when they should really debate important things.

Well a large portion dont. So from now on dont generalize

 

[W210]

* You're ignoring the costs involved in believing in a non-existant God. If your beliefs are wrong, you've wasted time and money in worshipping this God. You've also not been able to do things that you otherwise would have been able to do, depending on your beliefs and how devout you are. For example; if you live your life expecting to die and go to Heaven, and you don't, then you've wasted your life. Rather than making the most of your short time on earth, you've been walking on egg shells, trying not to offend God so that you'll end up in Heaven where you can enjoy yourself.

*]

first off Ive never wasted time or money worshipping God, and even if there was no God I wouldnt consider it wasting my time, because life itself would be completely meaningless. I could pull a Hitler if I wanted to because there would be no consequences when I die. I really believe that deep down that everyone has that knowlege. Every person has a God given conscience to help us make decisions on moral issues.

 

[W210]

Eat pork
Eat beef
Eat frogs' legs
Drink alcohol
Have sex
Wear a condom while having sex
Masturbate
Marry people from other faiths
Name my kids whatever I want to
Get a haircut
Get cosmetic surgery
Swat flies
Have a blood transfusion
Covet thy neighbour's possessions
Go 'commando'

QUOTE]

I dont have a problem with any of those, except to covet, and Im not sure I know what go commando means.

 

[W210]

Alright. An athiest can accept gay marriage, a religious person cannot. an athiest can fully understand and support stem cell research (embryonic) for the betterment of the human race, a religious person cannot. an athiest supports teaching our children science as we know it without a man floating out in space creating us all, hardline religious people cannot. An athiest does not need to follow a 2000 year old doctrine to know what is right or wrong, a religious person does.

Where do you get your knowlege of right and wrong???

And please lets not get started on science only supporting evolution.

 

[TecK NeeX]

No, he's limiting himself to one God. I, on the other hand, am basing my belief (or lack thereof) on the facts I've been presented with. I'm a free agent. If there is a God, I like to think he'd appreciate skepticism more than blind belief in whatever religion you're taught to believe in. After all, at least I haven't been worshipping false idols.

Lol think before you type and type all you want, he still has that once chance of being right and you dont.

I didn't realise you were God. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post.

So if I said Islam doesn't allow people to eat pork does that make me God? not believing in your creator is the number one sin in all religions.

If that God doesn't exist, then the time and money they invested into that religion was wasted. It came to nothing.

I dont invest money into Islam. Just charities to help the poor. that was good money spent on a good cause.

I don't know how you've managed to reach that conclusion. I know that some people believe in religion for reasons other than fear of punishment/hope of reward. But we're not talking about those people. Those people don't need to be given extra incentive, they've already chosen to believe in God. And that's fine. If you have a good reason to believe in God, knock yourself out. My point is, Pascal's wager is not a good reason.


Pascal's wager does only apply to those people. That's how it works. It's supposed to convince people who don't have faith that - even if they don't buy into all the stories - they should still believe in God to be on the safe side. That is Pascal's wager.

Umm so then why did you bring Pascal's wager into this? what makes you think W210 is among those people and not the ones with faith? Are you God? reading his posts no where did he mention that he only believes in christianity because he fears judgement day. Good job jackass :thumb:

Eh, typing all this was still more productive than the time you spent praying today. :thumb:

yeah thanks for attacking my belief. Its mind over matter though, i dont mind because you dont matter

 

[Glockmatic]

Well a large portion dont. So from now on dont generalize

If a larger portion didn't care then we wouldn't be having debates about it, but we do

 

[Glockmatic]

Where do you get your knowlege of right and wrong???

common sense

 

[W210]

common sense

Of course we know common sense varies alot between people. But how do you explain that everyone has the same sense of right and wrong, not just those with good common sense.

 

[TecK NeeX]

If a larger portion didn't care then we wouldn't be having debates about it, but we do

Well what do you know, that can be said just about everything. If the portions of all races, nationalities, religions and unbelievers that do crime cared enough about life and law there would be no crime.

 

[W210]

Umm so then why did you bring Pascal's wager into this? what makes you think W210 is among those people and not the ones with faith? Are you God? reading his posts no where did he mention that he only believes in christianity because he fears judgement day. Good job jackass :thumb:

Although I didnt become a Christian simply by fearing hell. It is that fear that keeps me inline. I dont want the One that created universe upset at me when I die.

And I dont think that is wrong that some people come to Christ because of that fear.
I like to think of an airplane as a good analogy. If you are on an airplain that is going to crash down, and the only way you can survive is to put on a parachute (God), well then thats what you gotta do. But the deal is not everyone believs the plane is going down. So you got the people who think the parachute is uncomfortable to wear, and dont want it. Skeptics who have seen parachutes not open on tv, whatever. But if you are told there is a chance that the plane is going down and the only way to survive is put one on, you would have to be an idiot to say, "Im not putting on that uncomfortable parachute just because there is a chance the plane is going down. And its not good enough to believe in parachutes. The difference between believing in one and putting one is obvious.

Every person will die, 10 out of 10. It is the ultimate statistic. You guys are making the ultimate gamble.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Although I didnt become a Christian simply by fearing hell. It is that fear that keeps me inline. I dont want the One that created universe upset at me when I die.

And I dont think that is wrong that some people come to Christ because of that fear.
I like to think of an airplane as a good analogy. If you are on an airplain that is going to crash down, and the only way you can survive is to put on a parachute (God), well then thats what you gotta do. But the deal is not everyone believs the plane is going down. So you got the people who think the parachute is uncomfortable to wear, and dont want it. Skeptics who have seen parachutes not open on tv, whatever. But if you are told there is a chance that the plane is going down and the only way to survive is put one on, you would have to be an idiot to say, "Im not putting on that uncomfortable parachute just because there is a chance the plane is going down. And its not good enough to believe in parachutes. The difference between believing in one and putting one is obvious.

Every person will die, 10 out of 10. It is the ultimate statistic. You guys are making the ultimate gamble.

Well thats obviously not what i believe If you think Life is a gamble. Illuminatille was right to bring pascals wager into this after all lol