whats is with all the Group suicides Arranged on the internet

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

I understand where you're coming from Silleone, but there are many different types of stress.

And, taking nothing away from the toughness of this, those who have to raise their siblings by themselves are in a life or death situation. They wish to survive & if they break their backs they may do so. If not, they may contemplate suicide - btw many 'suicides' do occur in these places.

A bullied dude whose only wish is to be popular may break his back to fit in but get every door slammed in his face. Due to this, they may contemplate suicide...is this wrong? It is their life. And I could spin a tale of all the things that may've happened to the dude but really, I think you can see how the stress can get on top of someone.

Not saying there is a right or a wrong opinion here, just that you shouldn't be so quick to condemn them as 'weak'.

 

[Silleone]

^true, i feel what your saying.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Anybody up for it?

ok, under the condition you go first.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

I will then.

If MX Red has his way, I'll be gone pretty soon.

 

[Bender]

Yeshua maybe im having a go a bit strong - but mate suicide is an awful thing, and to normalize the idea and project the view that it is a visable option for people is wrong and dangerous. It should always be a last resort, and not something people should think about often, very very few situations justify suicide - since it is almost always the wrong choice. U seem to have a romantic idea of what suicide is-'start of a new journy' and all that, all these things hold true after death anyway, suicide or not and have little bearing on suicide - for which case they should never be given as a justification/reason for suicide.

And yes people use suicide as a cry for help, but its much easier and less painfull for all involoved if they just went to the doctor and told them they felt like this - the same action would be taken (that is law, at least in the UK).

I just find what your arguing strange, and it seems you are looking at it from a very one-sided position. People will commit suicide wether we like it or not, and to some extent that is fine - but it has to be in extreem situations, not bad situations, otherwise it is unjustfiable!
peace
MX!

Please bear in mind that Nothing is New on this earth, everything that has been done has been done before. People need to stop dwelling on the effects of suicide, or how it comes about; they should however, be looking at what causes it if they want to stop it happenning again. Where is the need to defining it by using other words? (victimless/unjustifiable/wrong) It is a reality not a word.

People say its shocking and that its fucked up, reality is fucked up!! and that's probably why they did it. People can't accept it as a reality and push it to the back of their mind. True it may hurt Family and Freinds feelings and that's all they moan about and is nothing but selfish.

 

[Pacaveli-T]

its like those suicide bombers and shit, doesnt mean their reasons are right or the choice but they choose to. I heard a lot about it I guess they dont wanna be alone when they do it either so beter to have someone there with you both stranger or friend.

 

[not really ken]

^Suicide bombers? they choose to try and defeat their opressors by any means neccesary. If this involves losing their own lives in the process then that (even to themselves) is a unwanted 'hazard' of their mission. Whereas suicide in the orthodox context is when someone has lost hope in their situation. Patience is also not a strong point and it is this lack of patience which is the cause of their extreme distress and suicide is seen as the easy option at that particular time. Their rationale at the time of their suicide seem to be justifty their actions. As the physical/ emotional pain they be in at the time misconstrues their perspective on things.
the suicide bomers are not in a situation where they want to end their lives due to debts/ divorce/ wife cheating etc. or any other cliched reason for suicide. Rather their take on the war is that if giving their lives up to further a cause is part of the 'job description' then so be it.

 

[MX Red]

Please bear in mind that Nothing is New on this earth, everything that has been done has been done before. People need to stop dwelling on the effects of suicide, or how it comes about; they should however, be looking at what causes it if they want to stop it happenning again. Where is the need to defining it by using other words? (victimless/unjustifiable/wrong) It is a reality not a word.

People say its shocking and that its fucked up, reality is fucked up!! and that's probably why they did it. People can't accept it as a reality and push it to the back of their mind. True it may hurt Family and Freinds feelings and that's all they moan about and is nothing but selfish.

To be honest that is a cop out, suicide invokes feelings - it should be avoided, no matter how much of a joke u may think these conceptions of victimless/unjustifiable/wrong. And i agree we should avoid it at all costs!

 

[Pacaveli-T]

^Suicide bombers? they choose to try and defeat their opressors by any means neccesary. If this involves losing their own lives in the process then that (even to themselves) is a unwanted 'hazard' of their mission. Whereas suicide in the orthodox context is when someone has lost hope in their situation. Patience is also not a strong point and it is this lack of patience which is the cause of their extreme distress and suicide is seen as the easy option at that particular time. Their rationale at the time of their suicide seem to be justifty their actions. As the physical/ emotional pain they be in at the time misconstrues their perspective on things.
the suicide bomers are not in a situation where they want to end their lives due to debts/ divorce/ wife cheating etc. or any other cliched reason for suicide. Rather their take on the war is that if giving their lives up to further a cause is part of the 'job description' then so be it.

in the sense that they try to get ppl to come do it with them as in suicide the only relation they have to eachother..
nothing else.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

Anybody up for it?

*kills self*

now your turn.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

^
I've been trying for a couple of days now but it seems one of my Superpowers is immortality....oh well

 

[Bender]

Anybody up for it?

^
I've been trying for a couple of days now but it seems one of my Superpowers is immortality....oh well

*kills self*

now your turn.

Just some examples of how much people pay attention to this serious issue being discussed.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Yeshua, you could've at least quoted us chronologically, so that it made some sense.....

 

[S O F I]

I'm with Yeshua on this one, mainly because that's how I see it too.