What Phone?

Not a N95 fan.

MDA Vario II is pretty good but the MDA Pro is better, think thats only on Orange tho.

Blackberry 8800 is good:
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As is the Sidekick 3 - currently discontinued in the UK but they are planning to relaunch it in a month or so.

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If you're looking for something with really good synchronisation though, then you'd probably appreciate something that runs on Windows Mobile, like the iPaq messenger (on the right)

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basically, what do you need it mainly for?
 
I want it to have a decent organiser.... And to receive emails and complete all my net needs...

Should I use a Symbian OS?

I want a mobile PC basically... A business phone... I want to be connected wherever I go... Camera is low on priority list etc... Browser and email high...

Also want MSN and AIM capability.
 
I sell phones for a living. Listen to me.

The Nokia N95 is overrated. The GPS feature is deceiving. The phone has a GPS module, but you need to subscribe to a third-party GPS service I believe is called WayFinder (although this may vary from country to country for all I know) to be able to use it. This normally costs money, a monthly fee. Either way, the GPS is way too slow to use it in a car. You can use it to pinpoint your location and plan a route if you're traveling and visiting a large city, but you can't use it the way you could a real GPS. The camera takes photos in 5 megapixels. Wow. Well, that means the photo will be large when you transfer it to PC, it doesn't necessarily mean it will be any clearer than a 3mp camera. The optics in the phone's camera are Nokia phone standards as far as I know. You need a phone with a good lens to get a real good camera, but a phone camera will never compare to a digital camera and if it's not gonna be real good then it doesn't matter if it's 3 or 5mp. It shouldn't anyway, if it does you're just being weird and stubborn lol. The operating system on the Nokia isn't particularly smooth to operate, and you only have a numpad to type with. You want an organizer, so it's gonna be a hassle. I have not personally seen a photo taken with the N95 on a PC monitor and haven't been able to zoom in and analyze the quality, but like I said, it's not gonna be super great and if you're just using it for half-assed internet pictures you don't need it. So if you're not buying this phone for the GPS or the camera, there is no reason to buy it. It's big, it's lumpy, it's slow from what I hear, and there is no reason why you should get it.

Instead, I am gonna suggest the phone I have purchased myself. I am so incredibly satisfied with it.

http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_s710.htm

If you have any questions about it i'll tell you all about it on MSN. I can take some pictures of it so you get a real sense of the size and shape, it looks fucking smooth as hell and you have a QWERTY keyboard so when you are writing messages, e-mails, adding tasks or appointments to the calendar or managing your phone list, or editing microsoft word/excel documents, or while you are MSNing, it's gonna be smooth as hell. Seriously, consider it :)
 
Oh, I have no personal experience with the Vario and it's not a phone we sell, so I can't speak on it, but it doesn't look bad. I can only speak on HTC. They run Windows Mobile btw, and the S710 has the new 6.0 version that coincides with Vista. Very easy to hook up to a computer, and you can download/purchase applications and games and install them. I installed google maps on mine lol, so if I add an address and location to people in my contact list I can find their house on google maps :D

Also lol, when I added my msn contacts to my contact list, a lot of you came up with full names in my list for some reason. SOFISTIK is one that comes to mind. I also have his Tuwalska (or whatever) address lol.
 
I want it to have a decent organiser.... And to receive emails and complete all my net needs...

Should I use a Symbian OS?

I want a mobile PC basically... A business phone... I want to be connected wherever I go... Camera is low on priority list etc... Browser and email high...

Also want MSN and AIM capability.

Sidekick's are reknowned for their internet, email, and AIM/MSN. They won't be re-launched for another month or so here though, and there's a possibility of it getting delayed longer, so it depends how long you want to wait. Also the lack of video recorder/player lets them down.

Blackberry's strongest function is it's email. Their MSN/AIM is good, not as good as the Sidekick though.
It's THE business phone though, to be fair. The Blackberry Pearl is available here in the UK on all networks so you wouldnt have to switch. Don't know if the 8800 is available on all networks.

Right now, I'd say the 8800 is your best bet. i'd take the 8800 since it has a full QWERTY keyboard which the Pearl doesn't. I don't know how easy they are to get a hold of in this country though. They have defo been released here tho, you can get it from T-Mobile here:

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/blackberry/8800g/overview/


Neither the Sidekick 3 or the Blackberry 8800 have wi-fi though, only GPRS, but meh...same difference if you ask me. It's always connected with the GPRS and there's no noticeable speed difference.
 
The S710 has Wi-Fi :D

I'll speak about the phone a little since I can be hard to actually catch online lol.

I had been looking at the phone for a good two weeks, drooling, without actually trying it. Then I held one off, still hadn't actually tried it out yet. Then I took one and tried it for a day and for the first half of the day I was like damn, maybe this was a bad choice, because I had been used to Sony Ericsson phones and the way the keys work and the structure of Windows Mobile is very different to Sony Ericsson's standard phone OS. Since you don't have a mouse I'd say it's not even comparable to Windows, only visually, and a few concepts like the file explorer etc. (Edit: Lol, Pittsey, remember the Etc thread? lmao :D)

During the latter half of the day I got into it and started to know my way around the phone. I subsequently fell in love with it. Granted, I have little real personal experience with PDA phones so my frame of reference is small, but I am very satisfied. The phone takes a little while to start up. When you flip out the keyboard, the screen flips sideways, and there is a .5 second delay. If you do this just as you open an application like SMS, or while you hit send after having written an SMS, the delay may be longer, up to a second. It has happened a few times that if i flip the keyboard in or out just as I execute a command on the phone, the image will freeze. There is a "Home" button on the numpad, very much like the Desktop shortcut on the quickstart menu in Windows, which takes you right back to the standby screen. If you hit that button in the same motion as pulling out the keyboard or pushing it back in, the image will freeze like i said. The phone will actually go to the standby screen though, and if you use the navigational keys you can highlight features on the standby interface and execute them, although you are still looking at the application you were last running. Hitting the home button again, or pulling the keyboard out and pushing it back in reverts it back to normal though. This is the only bug I have experienced with this phone so far, and all it takes is for you to wait for the phone to process whatever you are telling it to process before you shove it back together.

There may be some delay in the menu if you have several applications running on top of each other, but there is a task manager. Also, while watching the standby interface, hitting the "back" button on the numpad will take you to the most recently used application still running. Basically, hitting the back button a few times will open your applications and close them, one at a time. Or you can do it through the task manager. The phone's file manager also has a bluetooth function. You know if you install Nokia/Ericsson/whatever commercial non-PDA phone you may think off-software on your computer and try to transfer files from your phone, it's always limited, but if you access your phone through My Computer you are able to view all the system files etc etc? Well, the S710 has a bluetooth file manager that let's you access any other bluetooth-enabled device and browse all it's files and modify them. You would have to grant access on the other device first though.

The contact list is awesome. For every contact, you can store about six or seven different numbers, im names, emails, fax numbers, addresses, personal information, notes, you name it. When you browse your contacts, if you select one, it takes you to a menu where you don't see all the information for the person, but you get a list of possible actions. "Call contact", "send im", "send email", "call contact's work", "call contact's secretary", etc etc. The various available actions appear just like files would in Windows if you viem them as tiles. The "call contact" action has the contact's number underneath it. Basically, everything is laid out for you and it's easy to operate. Lot of PDA phones, especially SymbianOS ones, are some times hard to figure out in my opinion. Maybe it's habitual.

There is an EasyNotes application which basically takes you to a screen where you can create notes. Like txt-documents. They appear in a list and it is a nice but not very advanced or uncommon feature. I personally have long long lists of movies and music i need to check out, books, or other things i want to check out some time. On my old phone, I had to store them as text messages.

Whatever you are doing on the phone, the context menus are very helpful. Too bad operator services aren't integrated with this phone here, because on my old phone, if i was called by a number i didn't know, i could search the catalogue for it through a context menu and the owner of the number would get sent to my phone per SMS. I have found no such function for this phone. Although there is a very own menu item for my phone operator under which I have "Number search", but I would have to write down the number or remember it while doing all this.

The messenger function is very easy to use. When people IM you, while in the MSN interface, they come up as tabs, and if there is activity, the tab starts blinking orange. Depending on what standby-interface setup you choose, you can get notifications in the standby if someone has talked to you. First time you sign in, all your msn contacts are put in your contact list, and this is not an option you get, the phone tells you it will happen, and you will have to let it. It gets crowded with all my regular contacts in there as well. Most my friends I now had two entries for so I had to write down the phone numbers, delete the contacts, then add the phone numbers and names to the corresponding msn buddies. A hassle but oh well, it's all bygones now.

The phone has Microsoft Office Mobile. It won't let you create new documents, but it lets you view, and edit .doc documents, .xls sheets, .pps presentations and .pdf documents. Under the Office menu you also find a VoiceNotes application and a calculator, which I for a long time thought the phone lacked. The calculator looks VERY cool and is very easy to use. As for the Office applications, like I said, you can't create new ones, so all you do is copy a blank .doc, .xls and .pps to your phone, and every time you want to create a document, you edit it and use "Save as" instead of "Save". Wooptie.

There is a java console which let's you install various Java programs and applets. You can use your phone as a modem through the phone network. Since it doesn't have 3G it would be sucky speed unless your operators network supports EDGE, then it will be okay. Not good though lol, like a modem from the old days. The phone has Internet Explorer which you can use through WLAN or without. The MP3 player is similar to the typical MP3 player software, like the iPod. A list of features, "All Music", "Playlists", "Artists", "Albums", etc. Looks nice, haven't put any MP3s on my phone yet and don't know how well it runs in the background, can get back to you on that if you want.

The phone has Windows Live Update but I haven't got it to work yet. Not sure why. Hmm what other things does the phone come with. There's a flight modus. From the standby interface, once you learn how to use the phone and set up shortcuts, it is very easy to access whatever you need to access. There is a SIM-card manager, and just like the file manager has a bluetooth file manager, there is also a bluetooth SIM manager that lets you manage SIM-cards in other phones lol. The phone has Windows Media Player, haven't used it for video yet either. I'm swamped at work so I haven't had a lot of time to play around with some of the functions yet.
 
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By the way, I deserve to get repped to death for this. Even if I was bullshitting all the way, that's commitment right thurr. Just pointing it out because you are a bunch of selfish bastards :(
 
What do you guys think of Rizzle's phone?

What network can I get it on?
I really want a monthly fee for data... Instead of per kb.

The Orange SPV 5000 is similar to Rizzle's but better.

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No idea about data plans. T-Mobile PDA's have monthly data plans, £7.50 a month for unlimited data.
 
I want it to have a decent organiser.... And to receive emails and complete all my net needs...

Should I use a Symbian OS?

I want a mobile PC basically... A business phone... I want to be connected wherever I go... Camera is low on priority list etc... Browser and email high...

Also want MSN and AIM capability.

I say go with the sidekick/hiptop3. It feeds my needs perfectly and I'd say we had the same requirements. No matter what anybody else says, typing is not the same on any other handset. So if you need to communicate quick and convenient, stick with the sidekicks, plus unless its different in the UK the sidekick is the only phone that has an unlimited datapack. I pay AU$30 a month and get unlimited browsing, unlimited MSN/YAHOO (no AIM here), unlimited email, unlimited SMS and unlimited MMS.
 
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^^ They call those the dopods here. I wasnt really feeling it, the board is too flimsy in my opinion and the datapacks for it here just sucked.
 
I say go with the sidekick/hiptop3. It feeds my needs perfectly and I'd say we had the same requirements. No matter what anybody else says, typing is not the same on any other handset. So if you need to communicate quick and convenient, stick with the sidekicks, plus unless its different in the UK the sidekick is the only phone that has an unlimited datapack. I pay AU$30 a month and get unlimited browsing, unlimited MSN/YAHOO (no AIM here), unlimited email, unlimited SMS and unlimited MMS.

True. SK3 for communication ease is completely unrivalled. And yeah, it does have unlimited data here, but there has been some issues.

T-Mobile UK have pulled it from stores here and are re-launching it soon. I heard a date or the end of this month but I don't know whether they'll have sorted the issues by then.

I didn't know you guys didn't have AIM on the Sidekick in Australia - that's weird, because here in the UK the Sidekick3 ONLY has AIM. I think they are working to get MSN and YIM on there in time for the re-launch, that may have been why they pulled them from stores, until they got it sorted out.
 
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Pittsey - you are in luck.

The SK3 re-launched TODAY. It has not been on the T-Mobile site for a few months now, and today it was put back up there, and Yahoo Messenger was added to the device this morning. (It wasn't on there earlier).

Here's the link:

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/t-mobile/sidekick-3/overview/

For communication, I think this and the Blackberry 8800 are two of the best, so take a look at those two. It's all subjective though really, you might not like either of them, so it's probably best to go into a few stores and check out a few different things.
 
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