What is needed in the world?

[Taliq]

You obviously know about the military then
And yes i do - Served six and a half years - believe or not .

Discipline is taught , restraint , respect and self confidence , its a bit like martial arts , its not just about hitting or killing people but obviously in your wise old age you seem to know better , but back to the point , the military breaks you down to build you up how they want which could be seen by people who do not know as how you state above , but they could be moulded into decent citizens taught how to respect others , learn a trade , given options and a path they wouldnt get living in todays society where poverty and social class often dictates the path before they are given one .
I realy think that this is a better option than Asbos and cautions etc which are a joke and if they dont like the idea of going to these boot camps it may act as a bigger deterent and make them think twice before mugging an old lady , more so than the in and out day at the local juvanile court which doesnt seem to do a dam thing .

Think about this. If someone had intelligence or great sporting ability, would they join the army? How do you think the mean IQ level of the army compares with that of say bankers?

I think that gives an indication on the type of people that go into the army. Why should anyone potentially ruin a talent that they have, to join the army just because the law says so?

 

[Valeoz]

To be honest, jaimie is offering a solution to an issue. It is wrong how it is done, but it does get the job done. In a real world situation all arguments against jaimie means absolutely nothing. If you don't provide a better alternative solution, jaimie's solution will prevail. That is how the game goes.

For some reason the majority doesn't seem to understand this concept.

Situations like these happens in business, a person will try to degrade his competitor's product, how much so and so sucks, but in actuality his product doesn't even come close to the competitor's value. So instead of wasting his time attacking his competitor he should be using that time wisely on improving the value of his own product, offering something better.

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

Think about this. If someone had intelligence or great sporting ability, would they join the army? How do you think the mean IQ level of the army compares with that of say bankers?

I think that gives an indication on the type of people that go into the army. Why should anyone potentially ruin a talent that they have, to join the army just because the law says so?

OK so you do not agree with compulsive service but like i said a boot camp type of rehabilitation for young persistant offenders would work as a deterent as well as a tool to build them into decent citizens , im talking about street thugs not bankers or lawyers , bring in this system to teach respect and like i said give them a trade to learn so they have better oppertunities in life after they leave . I realy think this would work as the british legal system is not working , its a joke and the criminals know this .

 

[Taliq]

To be honest, jaimie is offering a solution to an issue. It is wrong how it is done, but it does get the job done. In a real world situation all arguments against jaimie means absolutely nothing. If you don't provide a better alternative solution, jaimie's solution will prevail. That is how the game goes.

For some reason the majority doesn't seem to understand this concept.

Situations like these happens in business, a person will try to degrade his competitor's product, how much so and so sucks, but in actuality his product doesn't even come close to the competitor's value. So instead of wasting his time attacking his competitor he should be using that time wisely on improving the value of his own product, offering something better.

That doesn't work at all. You can't just say a particular attempt at a solution should be backed whole heartedly when that attempt has so many flaws. By your logic if someone has a headache with no medication at hand they should smash their head against a wall. Because if they keep doing that they will die and the headache will be gone. A totally wrong solution, but as there's nothing else, from what you said, this works. It's wrong how it's done, but it gets the job done.

OK so you do not agree with compulsive service but like i said a boot camp type of rehabilitation for young persistant offenders would work as a deterent as well as a tool to build them into decent citizens , im talking about street thugs not bankers or lawyers , bring in this system to teach respect and like i said give them a trade to learn so they have better oppertunities in life after they leave . I realy think this would work as the british legal system is not working , its a joke and the criminals know this .

So now your saying compulsory service wouldn't always work? I'd agree with that statement, yea. I'd also agree with the rehabilitation/boot camp style "punishment". But that's different from national service, which is what you stated before.

 

[Valeoz]

That doesn't work at all. You can't just say a particular attempt at a solution should be backed whole heartedly when that attempt has so many flaws. By your logic if someone has a headache with no medication at hand they should smash their head against a wall. Because if they keep doing that they will die and the headache will be gone. A totally wrong solution, but as there's nothing else, from what you said, this works. It's wrong how it's done, but it gets the job done.

Logic? LOL. The world is fucked up, have you noticed lately? Do you know why its fucked up? Because people who can make it better, don't know how to do it the right way. There is no logic in this game and I'm talking about politics. You can sit here all day and talk about how flawed something is but it will never change anything, unless you can bring something better to the plate. I don't know what utopia your living in but you need to come back to reality.

Just to give you an example. I sat on a government commission for about 4 years and during that time you get people and organizations from all walks of life. But most of all there was a really huge issue that happened in 2002, people with authority didn't know what to do, what to say, or what to change. All they did was talk talk talk. (You see this up-close and personal when your behind the lines if you know what I mean.) So the mayor said enough is enough and threw down this proposition, this was one of the worst propositions I have ever seen, but nobody else came up with anything better because they continued to talk talk talk. You can see all over the city saying "no to proposition ##" and even council members were fighting it. But the proposition got voted in. It didn't solve anything, instead made things worser, wasted money, but the most unfortunate thing was, nobody didn't offer any alternative. There is no logic in this situation, they are politicians, they have to do something. I call this a voter monopoly, when the people want something done, but yet only one resolution is provided, you can expect the resolution to be voted in, no matter how illogical or senseless it can be. And politicians know this.

So if jaimie ever got put into a position like that mayor, the unfortunate will happen for you. It's wrong how it's done, but it gets the job done or so people may think. That is how politicians work and that is how they must work. This is from experience.

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

Taliq - So now your saying compulsory service wouldn't always work? I'd agree with that statement, yea. I'd also agree with the rehabilitation/boot camp style "punishment". But that's different from national service, which is what you stated before.

I first said that personaly national service is something i think should be brought in i never said it might not work , Illuminatile and yourself didnt agree so i offered the boot camp idea as maybe an alternative especialy for young offenders which is definatly a good idea , that what my posts say . Either would be welcome imo

 

[XIAN]

I'm pretty sure the crime rate is going down. In America especially where drugs are diminishing, there is less incentive to kill than before.

But even in places where the youth crime rate is high, the reason is economic, and the solution will have to be economic. Because I don't care where you are, if you send a poor kid to boot camp, and he comes back home to poverty, he's still gonna be pissed off about the poverty, and he's gonna watch his friends sell drugs, and it's gonna be depressing. That's what Tupac went through after he became a star. He escaped it, but he still heard about old friends dying, and it just broke his heart. Have you ever seen "Dead Presidents"? They went into the Military and it fucked them up bad, which is what happened to a lot of poor Vietnam vets.

"You know what gang violence is, mostly? And the people dont want you to hear this; Somebody shoots your family member... so of course you retaliate, you know what i mean? Same thing the U.S does except nobody even shot their family members you know? They see that, somebody bomb a school and all these people get killed, so the United States feel like "ooh thats messed up, we gotta go show em who tha real killers are..." This country was built on gangs, you know? I think this country still is run on gangs... republicans, democrats, the police department, the FBI the CIA, those are gangs, you know what i mean? The correctional officers... I had a correctional officer tell me straight up, "We the biggest gang in New York state." Straight up..."
-TS

I think it's time we take these gangs apart.

Check my sig for the solution...
~peace~

 

[Duke]

Actually, I think that a mandatory year of military service may teach the youth some extra respect and discipline.


On topic:

Peace.

Cheesy, yes, and I probably broke a rule or two, but it's the only damn thing the world needs. After peace has been accomplished, the rest will follow.

 

[Taliq]

Logic? LOL. The world is fucked up, have you noticed lately? Do you know why its fucked up? Because people who can make it better, don't know how to do it the right way. There is no logic in this game and I'm talking about politics. You can sit here all day and talk about how flawed something is but it will never change anything, unless you can bring something better to the plate. I don't know what utopia your living in but you need to come back to reality.

The world's fucked up? No shit Sherlock lmao. When did I say otherwise?

Just to give you an example. I sat on a government commission for about 4 years and during that time you get people and organizations from all walks of life. But most of all there was a really huge issue that happened in 2002, people with authority didn't know what to do, what to say, or what to change. All they did was talk talk talk. (You see this up-close and personal when your behind the lines if you know what I mean.) So the mayor said enough is enough and threw down this proposition, this was one of the worst propositions I have ever seen, but nobody else came up with anything better because they continued to talk talk talk. You can see all over the city saying "no to proposition ##" and even council members were fighting it. But the proposition got voted in. It didn't solve anything, instead made things worser, wasted money, but the most unfortunate thing was, nobody didn't offer any alternative. There is no logic in this situation, they are politicians, they have to do something. I call this a voter monopoly, when the people want something done, but yet only one resolution is provided, you can expect the resolution to be voted in, no matter how illogical or senseless it can be. And politicians know this.

So if jaimie ever got put into a position like that mayor, the unfortunate will happen for you. It's wrong how it's done, but it gets the job done or so people may think. That is how politicians work and that is how they must work. This is from experience.

To go ahead with something that you KNOW to be flawed, just becuase there is nothing else on the table, is ludicrous. Thats is essentially what you're saying. And you try to validate that further by saying action is better than talking. That ideology does not always work, there are many things to take into consideration when making a high-level decision. And it may be the case that doing nothing, although not making anything better, does nont make it worse. Whereas implmenting a bad strategy would make things worse. Implementing a bad strategy while knowing it will make things worse, on the basis that "hey there's no other strategies/ideas" is absolute idiocy.

The example you used may add weight to this argument. You didn't specify what the details of the situation are but look at it tis way. If things are messed up, there may be money being lost, people without jobs, high crime etc. Doing nothing, the talk talk talk, isn't helping directly and the bad situation contiues at a controllable and expected rate of growth. But implementing a bad decision/strategy not only generates more loss of (tax payers) money, but can also off set what is a somewhat of a predictive trend and increase the rate at which everything fucks up. So in essence you end up taking two steps back before you even make a step forward.

A solution would be to generate as many plausible, feasible and beneficial ideas as quickly as possible, map out the pro's and cons and then implement with the given resources. Not just rush into things pig-headedly on the basis on "but there's nothing else so let's do this".

 

[DrugBa11ad]

Actually, I think that a mandatory year of military service may teach the youth some extra respect and discipline.


On topic:

Peace.

Cheesy, yes, and I probably broke a rule or two, but it's the only damn thing the world needs. After peace has been accomplished, the rest will follow.

Military and Peace? Those two mix just perfectly. =/

Fuck, you want discipline and respect, take martial arts or something.

You don't have to be in the army.

Fuck national service, or boot camp type shit.

How about socialism? With less economic despairity, thier is less crime. Ever think of preventing the situation, preventing the crime, instead of just "treating" it once it's here?

You want people to think outside the box, then lets think about stopping it for good, not just for a select few individuals.

Redistribute the wealth, lessen the economic gap between poor and rich, then the U.S. will see less crime, and if the various countries were more bent on helping and so forth, instead of bombing and attacking and creating war and ecnomic exploitation, then the world would see more peace.

But, capitalism breeds excessive amounts of greed. So what is my idea, fuck national service, we need socialism. We need economic equality, racial equality. We need the abolition of classism. We need a lot of things. Fuck national service.

Mandatory service, fuck that shit. I'd die fighting my country before I'd die for it. Stay strapped, stay up. UHURU.

One.

 

[Playa77777]

fuck military shit in military the spirit is slave of the body. or better ur body do what another spirit wants them to do.
since ther we not living in 1 world everybody needs something different.
and theres nothing good what can happen tommorow.
the western youth need BIG learning centers with everything the youth asked for. when the youth centers connected they can share their fruits of their works, so that a artist can come up from those centers without soulselling plus all kids will see theres coming no glory out of the weapons room the painters room or chemie room are can make a positive impact and imagine theres enough wealth so that the kids can trade their fruits of work. another time the weapons room starving.
in small form the western kids needs education more than others cuz they can make their dreams come true.

In my opinion the poor parts of the world needs to get rid of their dicators and no population control shit. the poor kids in africa are in need of water and infrastructure.
i wouls like to see last slave units where the wal mart and global bosses go to poor people lands and illuminating the good heart people controlled by police just look this wolfowitz as head of the worldbank looking that africa gets the credits from his banksters