Tony Montana VS. Pablo Escobar

[H.E. Pennypacker]

For the sake of this thread, lets assume Tony Montana is not a movie character. In this thread, he's a real life person.

Everyone is in awe of Tony Montana...but why? At the end of his life, he achieved a little. He made about $15 mil a month, and was well known in the Miami area. How is that really a big deal?

Take Pablo Escobar on the other hand. In 1989, he had $24 Billion (according to History Channel/Forbes), and he was well known in the Wester hemisphere.

Lets see. Montana was scared of no one. The same goes for Escobar. Montana constantly feared the government (i.e. he'd make sure his business was underground), Pablo didn't. Everyone knew what Pablo was doing, and he was a very public person.

The list goes on. You just can't beat Escobar. You can put Escobar and Montana in the same ring, and I'll bet Montana would run faster than Speedy Gonzales.

A real life movie about Escobar would have been much better than the fictional one about Montana. There was more violence, money, coke, and pretty much everything else in Escobar's life.

Anyone disagree?

 

[Duke]

Yeah. Pablo was a big ol' meanie.

But it seemed he actually did a lot for the communities where he came from. Albeit financed with drug money, but still....

 

[Zero Cool]

Pablo was the bigger baddy.

But Tony was so much cooler.

 

[stefanwzyga]

Pablo was the bigger baddy.

But Tony was so much cooler.

Dont know about that building your own prison is pretty cool.

 

[PaulyPac]

both idiots.. the way they got themselves killed, i dont think tony montana would have got caught like escobar did though

 

[Farzin]

how did pablo ge killed?

 

[stefanwzyga]

how did pablo ge killed?

He got shot on top of a roof trying to esape from the police.

 

[PaulyPac]

he made a phone call from his tapped cell phone which pin pointed his exact location when he was on the run

 

[Duke]

how did pablo ge killed?

killed by colombian anti-drug squad if i recall. maybe executed is the better terminology. but then again, try to convinct Pablo and he'd walk outta court with a smile and freedom.

play with fire and you gonna get burned.

he was still the bigger meanie, and cooler because of the grander scale.

 

[Quasimodo]

i'd go with tony... he was just so fuckin smooth... you gotta love it

 

[Kev C.]

i trade places with both and them

 

[dubk]

the thing with tony was that he did his whole operation in the united states. That takes some balls. But in the end Pablo wins just because, people like Tony needed to get their supply from people like Pablo. Tony was nothing more than a high level middle man.

 

[Kev C.]

what bout nino brown

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

Pablo was the bigger baddy.

But Tony was so much cooler.

Pablo had it all. Its the movie that made Tony look cooler, but Escobar had more fun than him. Escobar had his own racetrack where he'd challenge his friends, he had a lavish home, and the list goes on.

both idiots.. the way they got themselves killed, i dont think tony montana would have got caught like escobar did though

There was really nothing Escobar could have done about that. He had to make contact with his family.

the thing with tony was that he did his whole operation in the united states. That takes some balls

That means he only took on local police departments...nothing big. Escobar took on two countries...Colombia and the USA. They spent millions and millions just to get rid of him. Escobar forced the American government to send out some of its best people to go after him.

 

[Mr.Deuce]

Are Jou Kidd`n me Or Wha?Of Course Antonio Montana,Jou Got Dat?Fukin`Cockaroachs!

 

[PaulyPac]

There was really nothing Escobar could have done about that. He had to make contact with his family.

he should have known his phone would be tapped, he was the most wanted in the country

 

[Silleone]

how the fuck are u gonna compare a fictional character whos victims were all actors to a guy that did real shit, killed people for real, transported real drugs and was actually a real person.

a better comparison, John Ghotti Vs Pablo Escobar

 

[Zero Cool]

how the fuck are u gonna compare a fictional character whos victims were all actors to a guy that did real shit, killed people for real, transported real drugs and was actually a real person.

a better comparison, John Ghotti Vs Pablo Escobar

He makes a good point. If Tony was a real character in all likelihood he wouldn't have developed the way did in the movie.

 

[Silleone]

I would also like to add, i love scarface,the whole vibe, etc, etc but Tony Montana realisticly speaking was an idiot.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

he should have known his phone would be tapped, he was the most wanted in the country

He knew his phone was tapped because each time he would speak on the phone for a short period of time. At the end, he couldn't take it any more, and decided he wanted to talk to his family. Notice it was his family and not his guards or someone else. That's because he was really a family man.

how the fuck are u gonna compare a fictional character whos victims were all actors to a guy that did real shit, killed people for real, transported real drugs and was actually a real person.

You missed the first line of the thread. Go back to it. I said "lets assume Montana was a real person."

a better comparison, John Ghotti Vs Pablo Escobar

Gotti became well known only because of all the drama surrounding him, but that was pretty much it. He was a typical gangster in that people feared him and the structure of his family. He wasn't really that big because, after all, only the FBI was going after him. It wasn't a national thing where everyone was afraid of him. There were two main headlines in his life...when he "wacked" the boss, and when they caught him and was betrayed by Sammy The Bull.

Other than that, what really happened in his life that would him more powerful than the average don?

If Tony was a real character in all likelihood he wouldn't have developed the way did in the movie.

I agree with your point because Montana was unrealisticly fearless. There was no one and nothing that could put a stop to him. That, obviously, is unhuman-like, because we're all scared of someone.

Also, he went up in ranks much too quickly. He went from a dishwasher to a local cocaine kin-ping.

I think people will say Montana because of how he talked and managed his business. Everyone loves how he pronounced certain words and said this and that. In the end, Escobar would be on top of the world if you gave him the arsenal he needed. He could take on the USA, Colombia and other nations.