To the collectors: backing up your collection

[Cooper]

^ not much difference in practice.

wma9 lossless is a useful format............3rd the size of wave....CD quality.

my pac's all ripped at 256, tho ive got nothin rare, so if i scratch a cd (like i did wit makaveli )....i just buy another

 

[Ashur]

I was thinking about starting collecting 2 years ago, but I I realized that it doesn't deserve it. It takes a lot of money(which I don't have) and a lot of time which I don't have too.

Tupacboard takes a lot of my daytime so I'm pissed at it. And those people who always here I can't understand them, don't they got life, don't they got work to do?

Also I have one question to all the collectors.

Some day you will die and what do you think will be with your collection?

I think it will be trash and someone will just put all that shit in a garbage.

Does it really deserve it? It's not cars, guns or some shit that will be old rare collection. It will be just fucking mp3 and scans.

 

[Preach]

^^
that is one way to look at it. for some people though, collecting is a nice break from your everyday. it's a hobby, and for you to enjoy your day you need hobbies. instead of spending my money on movies, books or fishing rods, i spend it on tupac-related items. whenever i recieve something in the mail, i feel like a kid on christmas eve as i'm ripping the packaging open. i love ripping and scanning it and putting it in folders and making a system out of it. i love touching up the covers in paintshop to make them look as good as possible. but most importantly, i love to click the .m3u and listen to the album. the whole process has a great emotional value to me because it is something i like doing and it takes my mind off stuff that stresses me.

i could need more money but i sure do have the time, so why not?

 

[DutchMakaveli]

I was thinking about starting collecting 2 years ago, but I I realized that it doesn't deserve it. It takes a lot of money(which I don't have) and a lot of time which I don't have too.

Tupacboard takes a lot of my daytime so I'm pissed at it. And those people who always here I can't understand them, don't they got life, don't they got work to do?

Also I have one question to all the collectors.

Some day you will die and what do you think will be with your collection?

I think it will be trash and someone will just put all that shit in a garbage.

Does it really deserve it? It's not cars, guns or some shit that will be old rare collection. It will be just fucking mp3 and scans.

I'm on a computer-based education, so I'm nearly 10 hours a day behind a computer. Checking this forum (and other sites as well), takes a top of 5 minutes an hour (more if I'm really bored). I can finish my work easily.

I hope my kids treat my collection with some respect. Perhaps I've tossed it all out myself by then, I dunno And it won't be just MP3's, it's actual CD's, tapes and vinyls.

 

[Rukas]

wait for blueray discs,youll be able to store 50GB on each disk,rip everything to wav and put it on there.

but for now

id say only back up the rare and most precious stuff into wav on a separate hard drive or dvd.if one of your cds get scratched,you can always buy another one for like 10 bucks.

Blue ray is pretty much useless, the new DVDs coming out will be able to hold 850 gigs, and work on current hardware, unlike blueray, which needs new expensive burners and readers/players.

 

[Ashur]

that is one way to look at it. for some people though, collecting is a nice break from your everyday. it's a hobby, and for you to enjoy your day you need hobbies. instead of spending my money on movies, books or fishing rods, i spend it on tupac-related items. whenever i recieve something in the mail, i feel like a kid on christmas eve as i'm ripping the packaging open. i love ripping and scanning it and putting it in folders and making a system out of it. i love touching up the covers in paintshop to make them look as good as possible. but most importantly, i love to click the .m3u and listen to the album. the whole process has a great emotional value to me because it is something i like doing and it takes my mind off stuff that stresses me.

i could need more money but i sure do have the time, so why not?

That's really nice the way you are doing it. So it's a hobby for you. I liked when you said that when you get some money instead of spending them on something you spen them pom your hobby.

I liked that, because I don't have those money, that's for real, I'm middle class in my country and here we don't even spend money on such a things(in most cases useless). Only a small anmount of peolpe buys something that's official, every cd here is bootleged for a low price without badding the product. That's a mentality of My country and all others, fron late USSR.

Even now I'm using free internet(not legaly of course), because internet here soast a good cash. The world is fucked up.

But what I really prefer instead of collectig cds is Gim, it can be considered as hobby too. Just working out till the last breath and having a very beautifull muscle figure in the mirrow

I'm on a computer-based education, so I'm nearly 10 hours a day behind a computer. Checking this forum (and other sites as well), takes a top of 5 minutes an hour (more if I'm really bored). I can finish my work easily.

I hope my kids treat my collection with some respect. Perhaps I've tossed it all out myself by then, I dunno And it won't be just MP3's, it's actual CD's, tapes and vinyls.

It takes you about 5 minutes that's what I like. My internet is so slow that i'm waiting 2-7minutes to open a page, yes, you heard it right a one page on TB. So it takes me about an hour and half a day to browse only life forum and a little of FX.

But since I joined TB became some kind of narcotic for me, I think many will feel me on this. But anyways, I'm moving to Russia soon. I won't have internet, even don't have an appartment. So I will leave TB in 1month

 

[Preach]

^^
aww thats too bad. what do you mean you won't even have an appartment? where are you gonna live?

 

[DutchMakaveli]

That's really nice the way you are doing it. So it's a hobby for you. I liked when you said that when you get some money instead of spending them on something you spen them pom your hobby.

I liked that, because I don't have those money, that's for real, I'm middle class in my country and here we don't even spend money on such a things(in most cases useless). Only a small anmount of peolpe buys something that's official, every cd here is bootleged for a low price without badding the product. That's a mentality of My country and all others, fron late USSR.

Even now I'm using free internet(not legaly of course), because internet here soast a good cash. The world is fucked up.

But what I really prefer instead of collectig cds is Gim, it can be considered as hobby too. Just working out till the last breath and having a very beautifull muscle figure in the mirrow



It takes you about 5 minutes that's what I like. My internet is so slow that i'm waiting 2-7minutes to open a page, yes, you heard it right a one page on TB. So it takes me about an hour and half a day to browse only life forum and a little of FX.

But since I joined TB became some kind of narcotic for me, I think many will feel me on this. But anyways, I'm moving to Russia soon. I won't have internet, even don't have an appartment. So I will leave TB in 1month

You're from Kazachstan, right?

I have a good friend who is also from there and I have to say I recognize your situation from his stories. Especially the Internet-bit, he mentioned that specifically.

Shit's fucked up man

 

[Dante]

Some day you will die and what do you think will be with your collection?

I think it will be trash and someone will just put all that shit in a garbage.[/b]

Does it really deserve it? It's not cars, guns or some shit that will be old rare collection. It will be just fucking mp3 and scans.

that's a pretty black or white way of looking at things.

if you lead life thinking about when yours will be over then you'll never have lived a full life. when you die what will happen to your big screen tv? wouldn't it be easier to buy a 13 inch tv to save people to hassle of moving your big shit when you die?

if i were to die tomorrow the people around me who know me would also know that the collection i have assembled would be worth a nice chunk of change. while they may not know that cd X is worth $200, tossing it up on ebay or whatever would usually let the item sell itself at a fair current value. either way, when i'm dead i'm dead, so it really doesn't matter. i don't do this to be rich or to leave some kind of legacy. ...i do it because it's fun and i enjoy the process. in a way you have a point with regard to mp3's of unreleased or exclusives, but again, i did it for me and no one else. if i had fun with it when i was still breathing, then it was all worth it.

i'd encourage you to focus more on living positive and living for yourself rather than living to die. don't live with a foot already in the ground.

 

[Ashur]

Posted by Rizzle
aww thats too bad. what do you mean you won't even have an appartment? where are you gonna live?

I will live with my sister, she rent an apartment. But it's not very good. She rent only one room that's divided into 2. I will move in search for knowledge. This is not 100%, but 90% that I will go to university in St. Petersburg. I bought ticket on 2july.

Posted by DutchMakaveli
You're from Kazachstan, right?

I have a good friend who is also from there and I have to say I recognize your situation from his stories. Especially the Internet-bit, he mentioned that specifically.

Shit's fucked up man

It spells Kazakhstan. Shit is really fucked up. That's why I'm moving. Russian is not good either but it's better somewhere. I'm moving because of the nationalism here, it's not opened but it's here everybody knows. You can see it everywhere.

Not a long time ago I saw a rating of corrupted countries of the world, Kazakhstan was 132 or something of all countries(about162). So there are countries even worse like Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan. My child dream was always living in USA or good countries in Europe.


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Dante, I don't think about death. I'm living and enjoying life. I just was curios what collectors think will happen with their collection. I see your point. But your big screen TV is not a good example, you're watching TV everyday, but collection is something that just spend it's time on a shelf. I think that all those back ups that your are doing is not necessary.

It's like I saw it everyday when was a kid, someone put in garbage their old Granny's vinyl’s. And we were playing it, throwing it through the entire hood. Those collections 99% will go in garbage, I'm sure.

But I'm glad that it's your way in life, everybody need to do something. It's all good. If you have money for such a thing, why not? But as I said here situation is different. Our average salary is about 150-200$. You can't do much on this money, taxes and shit. Education is very expensive, that's why I'm saying that I will live in bad apartment etc.

Here, we have: rich - small amount, lately growing up, average - the most part, and poor - not a small part, but not a big, who are very poor believe me.

 

[Preach]

what you gonna study? get a degree and come to norway and work here. i work 3 hours every other night as well as 5 hours every other saturday and 4 hours every sunday and i make about $1,100-1,200 a month. if you were, say, a doctor, you'd probably make anything from $130,000-350,000 a year. you could go back to kazahkstan and damn near buy the whole country heh.

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

2 u i can see why u think its worth less. SOme ppl have 2 play the cards they were delt. Dante has established him self so he has the freedon and luxury to spend a lil cash on something he enjoys . Like most students like your self cant spare too much cash but ur sayin "why u collecting its so dumb ect"... well a lot of things can be considered "dumb " then, but in ur situation I dont blame u for thinking that. Maybe when ur done w/ school and have a good job 4 all ur hard work u might see it in a diff light.Even 2pac started on the bottom.

 

[Dante]

Dante has established him self so he has the freedon and luxury to spend a lil cash on something he enjoys .

oh wait, did i forget something? do you know me?
i am far from "established" as i live on loans and grants. i'm just smart enough to make as much as i spend by selling rare pac items that i have access to a little cheaper.

 

[μακαφελι]

Differences in Encoding/Decoding Stereo Streams and AIFF and WAVE Files

Apple's and Microsoft's ADPCM compressed files also differ in how stereo streams are encoded, and therefore decoded. The IMA standard does not say anything about having predictor bytes, nor does it say how multiple channels of sound should be treated, and that is one place where AIFF and WAVE files differ.

For packet size, Apple chose 64 samples per predictor bytes, and for stereo, Apple defines that a packet of left channel data precedes a packet of right channel data. Apple's IMA compressor puts two bytes at the front of each packet, which are referred to as predictor bytes (not be confused with the predictor value that the IMA-ADPCM algorithm defines). These two bytes contain the step index, a 7-bit value in the low byte, and the most significant 9 bits of the predictor value. Obviously, since the real predictor value is 16 bits, this 9-bit predictor is only an approximation, but it doesn't cause significant loss of quality.

Microsoft, on the other hand, lets the program compressing the sound determine the size of the packet, and the WAVE standard is eight samples of left data followed by eight samples of right data. WAVE files also have a two byte header just like the Mac, but have an 8-bit step index instead of a 7-bit step index and an 8-bit predicted sample approximation instead of a 9-bit approximation.

For more information on the WAVE format, interested developers may want to consult one or more of the specifications and descriptions that can be found on the Internet

The wBlockAlign Field

The WAVE file format has a field called wBlockAlign which tells the program reading the file the minimum number of bytes that must be processed at a time. The only WAVE files compressed with ADPCM that I have studied have had this value set to either 512 or 1024. This field could be set to other values. Setting this value to a number larger than 34 allows the WAVE file to have fewer predictor bytes than the same data as an IMA compressed AIFF file.

Apple's method of small packet sizes gains the ability to start playing sound from more locations in the file, thus giving better random access. Microsoft's method still allows for random access, but with greater jumps between points where sound can begin playing from.

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Consequences of the Differences Between AIFF and WAVE File Formats

Because of the substantial differences between the AIFF and WAVE formats, the Apple IMA decompression codec will not handle Microsoft's ADPCM compressed WAVE files.

Stereo ADPCM WAVE files have the channels interleaved differently than AIFF files and have fewer predictor bytes, which is a significant enough difference that the Apple IMA decompressor will not decompress them and produce the same sound as the Microsoft ADPCM decompressor would. The Microsoft ADPCM decompressor will not decompress a stereo IMA AIFF file as the Apple IMA decompressor would unless it is modified to take into account the different channel interleaving and predictor bytes.

Because the Apple IMA compressor makes use of the high bit of the low byte in the predictor word for the predicted sample (to double its precision) and the Microsoft IMA compressor treats this bit as part of the value of the step index, it is likely that the step index will be invalid most of the time if the Microsoft ADPCM decompressor is dealing with an Apple IMA compressed sound.

The step index is likely to be invalid because, depending on what the value of the predicted sample is, the high bit of the low byte of the predictor word (the least significant bit of the predicted sample) may or may not be set. Because the Microsoft ADPCM decompressor takes all 8 bits of the low byte of the predictor word, instead of only the low 7 bits (which are all that are needed; the step index's possible range is from 0 to 88, inclusive), having the high bit set will automatically make the index out of range, which may cause the decompressor to stop decompressing data.

Differences in Resulting Data at the Nibble Level

Inspection of the same data compressed using Apple's IMA compressor and Microsoft's ADPCM compressor shows differences in the resulting data at the nibble level. The difference in the resulting data is often not major: if the data is different, it is usually only off by one value plus or minus. Examining the public Microsoft IMAADPCM.C file shows that the imaadpcmFastEncode and imaadpcmSampleEncode algorithms are not exactly the same as that published by IMA, but I have not attempted to trace execution of sample data to determine where the algorithm is producing different data. When played back through the correct decompressor, the two sounds sound identical.

The Bottom Line

What this means is that if you were to go to all the work of converting from one file format to the other -- for example, converting a WAVE file to AIFF file -- you would find that when you decompressed the sound, the resulting sound would be slightly different, though the change might not be audible.

To be honest, I didn't get a lot of that . But thanks for the detailed answer. I guess I should do some research on it for myself. The main question I have right now though is if I rip a track in .wav and then later burn it again, do I have an exact duplicate of what was originally on the CD?

 

[Cooper]

^yes

 

[Dante]

or aiff... yes to both formats.
when you compress a wave or aiff file, even if the codec is "lossless" you lose something. just like matter can't be created or destroyed, nor can quality. you can't shrink a 50mb file to 10mb without loss. the catch is whether the loss is audible or not. aac and other new formats to the block claim to do a better job than mp3, but nothing will rival the purity of an uncompressed cd rip.

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

oh wait, did i forget something? do you know me?
i am far from "established" as i live on loans and grants. i'm just smart enough to make as much as i spend by selling rare pac items that i have access to a little cheaper.

um no i dont kno u

lol ok man my bad i just seen ur pics of ur collection that u posted and u had a wall full. I wouldnt think sum1 wit loans and grants would have such a huge collection thats why i assumed that.




props on dropin ur info tho.

 

[dedbrd]

I think a music collection is something you can pass on and not get trashed, my kids are 11 and 8 and they ask me all the time about getting my cd's when I am old and don't want them anymore. My 8 year old is a big Ice Cube fan, and my 11 year old is always askin for Pac mixes, and of course they like all the radio stuff because they are young and do not know better, I have about 500 cd's between everything, rock, rap and r&b (that is actual cd's, not burns or downloads) and I really think my collection will live on through my kids

 

[Dante]

I think a music collection is something you can pass on and not get trashed, my kids are 11 and 8 and they ask me all the time about getting my cd's when I am old and don't want them anymore. My 8 year old is a big Ice Cube fan, and my 11 year old is always askin for Pac mixes, and of course they like all the radio stuff because they are young and do not know better, I have about 500 cd's between everything, rock, rap and r&b (that is actual cd's, not burns or downloads) and I really think my collection will live on through my kids

i agree. beyond that it's something you do for yourself to cool down after a busy day or just for the enjoyment of the hunt. i mean hell, if i wasn't collecting i would not have bought a case of atr singles back when they dropped and later sold them for an average of $80 each. it can be as lucrative and as fun as you choose to make it.

 

[Kevsta2004]

To be honest, I didn't get a lot of that . But thanks for the detailed answer. I guess I should do some research on it for myself. The main question I have right now though is if I rip a track in .wav and then later burn it again, do I have an exact duplicate of what was originally on the CD?

I didn't either what produces better sound quality Dante "AIFF" or "Wave" I'm not bothered about it jumping when you skip to the middle of the file cos when you burn it back to a cd you can't tell.