"There's 10 rules to the game"

[Robbo1984]

I've already expressed an interest in you going back to your ghosting days.

Another big problem on this board is people reading too much into Tupac's lyrics. I recognize that at times Tupac wrote some on point shit, but at other times, he was making statements which were rather vague & open to interpretation - which leads us to where we are right now! Now I don't think Tupac was even fully aware of what some of the shit that he wrote meant. I'm not saying he wrote it to sound 'cool' like that time you said 'nigga' on this board - even though you're white - but I mean, do you think there was a huge deal of thought & meaning behind Tupac saying, "I split the blunt & rolled the fat one"??? Because I don't....

The problem with people like you on this board, is that you take 1 pac sentence out, and immediatly, you judge him, or whatever. In my opinion, man. Pac put an anormous amount of feeling into most of his work. You don't see others getting to the point, like Pac' did. All he wrote about, was about the pain, etc etc. And yeh, he had some HARD songs, some LOVE songs, or whatever. But u know, fuck them, in a way. Because a big percentage of his music, was about the pain, and overcoming the struggle, actually, most of his work was about that type of music. So yeh, fuck the couple of lines, like, "I split the blunt & rolled the fat one"..Thats one thing, out of the whole song. If your going to look at it like that, then damn. No rapper puts feeling into shit then!

Anyway, some probably don't make sense, but i'm knackered because its 3:15am in the UK

Laterz :thumb:

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

I thought I started out as an asshole then progressed. I mean, shit, my first comment didn't warrant quoting by you & my second one got rolling eyes & you tell me it got worse??!!

Anyways, you didn't answer the question. Do you think the line ("Split the blunt & rolled the fat one") has a deep meaning behind it?

 

[haunted]

Anyways, you didn't answer the question. Do you think the line ("Split the blunt & rolled the fat one") has a deep meaning behind it?

Its a metaphor.
oh yes...

 

[jason_g_718]

Not you Pac, u know how people were saying he was just high yadda yadda..

LMAO! OH...I thought you were talking about me. LOL, a lot of idiots on here don't like my opinions so rather than debating me like an adult, they just insult me and tell me I'm crazy and shit like that. You know people don't actually have anything real to say when they say stuff like "you're an idiot and suck on your papa's dick if you think that", or write stuff like "I wish you were banned", but they don't actually come back with any kind of argument, which shows they're just trying to start beef or they think they'll "clown" you cuz they look cool. I swear, this forum is like high school all over again, lol. I was 10 times more mature than most others in my high school and it doesn't seem like it's much different here.

Same thing its not the usual thing that someone says when their high.

Well, Pac was high all the time and drunk. As a matter of fact, about the time Resurrection hit theatres, I remember MTV did a special on him (no, it wasn't the Resurrection Special, I have that on VHS). It was something different and it was only like a half hour. Anyway, during the special, they interviews Jada Pinkett and she was telling quite a few interesting things. That was the same interview where I heard her say in so many words that she knows who killed 2pac, said Afeni does as well, but that Jada couldn't say anything because "if I do, I will be killed".

Anyway, she said that it was always obvious to her that Pac was an addict. She said he was addicted to a lot of things, some good, some bad. "...but he wasn't only addicted to alchohol and weed. He was addicted to money, he was addicted to work, he was addicted to making a name for himself and in a strange way, he was addicted to misery." She went on to say that there were a few times that her and Pac sat down after he was released from prison in 95 and talked about his addiction. She said that she straight out told him to his face that he was an addict and she said everytime she straight out said it, he'd get pissed. She said the odd thing is that he admitted it, but he did so without admitted it. She said he just kept saying "yeah, I know I have a problem". According to her he kept referring to his addiction as either "it" or he'd say stuff like "my problem". She said he never actually said the words "I'm an addict" but he told her in so many words that he knew he was.

In an interesting note, in that same interview she said, and this may be real old news, but she said that when Pac was killed and she realized that Afeni was going to have to take Suge to court over Pac's music, she went to Afeni's house and told Afeni that that Jada was going to be her personal checkbook. Anything that Afeni needed money for in regards to court battles, all she had to do was ask Jada and the money was hers, which I thought was real cool. But she also divulged that despite the obvious reasons for helping Afeni like that, a big reason she did it is because Jada said her and Pac actually weren't speaking to each other when he was killed. They hadn't spoken in a few months because she said Pac did something that really pissed her off and she said they had been arguing. So she felt really bad about that.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

Do you think the line ("Split the blunt & rolled the fat one") has a deep meaning behind it?

They say Moses split the Red Sea
I split the blunt and rolled the fat one, I'm deadly -- Babylon beware

It's in context to what his saying. And like you pointed out when he was recording these songs he was high so his saying in my opinion when Im high/writting these songs I'm deadly. I'll say some shit that'll make people think and bring change, thats why he says Babylon beware because usually the establishment doesnt like someone who'll make the masses of people listening think about shit. Examples of that are in South Africa and in America itself during the civil rights movements.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

The problem with people like you on this board, is that you take 1 pac sentence out, and immediatly, you judge him, or whatever. In my opinion, man. Pac put an anormous amount of feeling into most of his work. You don't see others getting to the point, like Pac' did. All he wrote about, was about the pain, etc etc. And yeh, he had some HARD songs, some LOVE songs, or whatever. But u know, fuck them, in a way. Because a big percentage of his music, was about the pain, and overcoming the struggle, actually, most of his work was about that type of music. So yeh, fuck the couple of lines, like, "I split the blunt & rolled the fat one"..Thats one thing, out of the whole song. If your going to look at it like that, then damn. No rapper puts feeling into shit then!

Anyway, some probably don't make sense, but i'm knackered because its 3:15am in the UK

Laterz :thumb:

In no way do I underrate Tupac's abilities as a songwriter. I just try to sift through the bullshit - & he did write some throwaway stuff.

 

[jason_g_718]

The problem with people like you on this board, is that you take 1 pac sentence out, and immediatly, you judge him, or whatever. In my opinion, man. Pac put an anormous amount of feeling into most of his work. You don't see others getting to the point, like Pac' did. All he wrote about, was about the pain, etc etc. And yeh, he had some HARD songs, some LOVE songs, or whatever. But u know, fuck them, in a way. Because a big percentage of his music, was about the pain, and overcoming the struggle, actually, most of his work was about that type of music. So yeh, fuck the couple of lines, like, "I split the blunt & rolled the fat one"..Thats one thing, out of the whole song. If your going to look at it like that, then damn. No rapper puts feeling into shit then!

Well said, Robbo!

Calcuo:Anyways, you didn't answer the question. Do you think the line ("Split the blunt & rolled the fat one") has a deep meaning behind it?

I already answered the question before you asked when I stated there are exceptions for everything.

No matter who you are, the deepest artists in the history of music is not going to write lyrics of Shakespearian depth in every song.

You are the type of person I can't stand. Not that you care why, but the reason is because you take a general comment that someone makes and you put it to it's literal definition then try to make the person woh made the comment look like an idiot. Your game is that of semantics.

Now, before you continue this game notice I said you are the "TYPE OF PERSON" that I can't stand. I did not say I can't stand you. I don't know you, so I the only opinion I have of you is that you're confusing. One post you're a complete and utter asshole, the next you're super cool. I can't figure you out.

Aren't you the guy from Philly who has another ID "Oxycontin" and said you're and Oxy addict? If so, perhaps you've run out of opiates to get high on.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

In no way do I underrate Tupac's abilities as a songwriter. I just try to sift through the bullshit - & he did write some throwaway stuff.

I agree but I also like to listen to stuff that I can just nod my head to and not really pay attention to the meaning. U dont want a song like Blasphemy on during a party, so Pac made joints for different situations ie I get around and majority of All Eyes on Me.

 

[Robbo1984]

In no way do I underrate Tupac's abilities as a songwriter. I just try to sift through the bullshit - & he did write some throwaway stuff.

Yeh, theres a few I don't like too, u know. Same with every artist, in the rap game, or out the rap game. But u know, his ability as a song writer was amazing, but yeh, anyways lol. I'm off to bed now, its early haha, laterz :thumb:

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

I already answered the question before you asked when I stated there are exceptions for everything.

No matter who you are, the deepest artists in the history of music is not going to write lyrics of Shakespearian depth in every song.

Aren't you the guy from Philly who has another ID "Oxycontin" and said you're and Oxy addict? If so, perhaps you've run out of opiates to get high on.

So how many exceptions are there before we can say that actually, there was a sizeable proportion of Tupac's work that wasn't really that deep?

You know I'm not Oxycontin (I, too, cannot remember his other username) because I posted while both of those names were used.

I'm pretty sure I saw you trade a post or two with him about drugs....

 

[jason_g_718]

It's in context to what his saying. And like you pointed out when he was recording these songs he was high so his saying in my opinion when Im high/writting these songs I'm deadly. I'll say some shit that'll make people think and bring change, thats why he says Babylon beware because usually the establishment doesnt like someone who'll make the masses of people listening think about shit. Examples of that are in South Africa and in America itself during the civil rights movements.

You know gurl, I don't know anything about you, but I do know that the voice of reason is as eloquent as a Shakespeare play, and your words above are Romeo and Juliet. lol.

^^^^ Calcuo, incase you don't understand my response, I meant that FIGURATIVELY. Look the word up at dictionary.com :thumb:

 

[Robbo1984]

You know gurl, I don't know anything about you, but I do know that the voice of reason is as eloquent as a Shakespeare play, and your words above are Romeo and Juliet. lol.

^^^^ Calcuo, incase you don't understand my response, I meant that FIGURATIVELY. Look the word up at dictionary.com :thumb:

Oh yeh, Jason. It's good to see you back here :thumb:. You bring more life to these boards, you know, good debates and shit. It's good to see you posting again, man

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

I agree but I also like to listen to stuff that I can just nod my head to and not really pay attention to the meaning. U dont want a song like Blasphemy on during a party, so Pac made joints for different situations ie I get around and majority of All Eyes on Me.

I agree with this but some would have you believe 2Pac never had a verse that didn't drop science beyond his years.

Calcuo, incase you don't understand my response, I meant that FIGURATIVELY. Look the word up at dictionary.com

lol, you're a 28 year old wack rapper & you're dissing me? lmao! You still unemployed? Maybe you should hush & think of how to make your benefit cheque last longer....oh wait, forget all that, I'll just quote this other dude:

Now see, why are jabs and comments like that necessary? You can't just type a simple reply and keep the attacks out of it? That shows your childishness. And I shall prove my maturity by leaving it at that.

 

[jason_g_718]

In no way do I underrate Tupac's abilities as a songwriter. I just try to sift through the bullshit - & he did write some throwaway stuff.

Nobody denies that. Nor have I even implied anything else. All I ever said is that Pac was not the type of rapper to CONSCIOUSLY write lyrics just because they rhyme. He was more thoughtful than 95% of the rappers in the industry. While it is true that 2pac wasn't exactly always Maya Angelo when it came to writing, he also wasn't Fred Durst.

Songs I don't like are Run Tha Streetz, Got My Mind Made Up, Bury Me a G, Just Like Daddy (oh...this song is HORRENDOUS), Let Them Thangs Go and Ready 4 Whatever (probably the worst song I've ever heard from him)

I have others, but I just listed a few for you to get the point.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

I love Bury Me a G!! Wow.

 

[jason_g_718]

Oh yeh, Jason. It's good to see you back here :thumb:. You bring more life to these boards, you know, good debates and shit. It's good to see you posting again, man

Man...me recieving positive reviews of my opinions on this forum feels weird. I'm not used to it. I mean, I'm in three other groups on the net aside from this one. I'm a co-founder of the largest Yahoo! wrestling Group on the internet. We have over 5,000 members. Yes, that's an accurate figure. The members total over 5,000 people. In all the other groups I'm involved in I'm loved. And I'm talking people between the ages of 17 and 35. I'm very well respected and loved, so much so that a lot of the people in these groups I have phone numbers for. But I come here, and it's like I'm in Haterville. 95% of the people here have a chip on their shoulder. Most of the members here are so quick to beef that they're constantly insulting each other.

So, after I get a compliment here, it feels weird, but, thanks, I guess. lol. There's a few people on this forum that I speak with outside of the forum (PM's, Emails, phone numbers, addresses) and as a matter of fact there's even one person on this forum that lives about 2 hours north of me and he is a basement producer. He has his own equipment in his basement and he buys beats from some guy he knows from the net that sells beats priced at VERY GOOD prices. He and I are supposed to meet sometime between now and August at the studio that I record my shit at and we're supposed to be collaberating on a song, spitting 2 verses each.

But...most of the people here are assholes. Those whom I'm friendly with outside of the forum know who they are.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Nobody denies that. Nor have I even implied anything else. All I ever said is that Pac was not the type of rapper to CONSCIOUSLY write lyrics just because they rhyme. He was more thoughtful than 95% of the rappers in the industry. While it is true that 2pac wasn't exactly always Maya Angelo when it came to writing, he also wasn't Fred Durst.

Songs I don't like are Run Tha Streetz, Got My Mind Made Up, Bury Me a G, Just Like Daddy (oh...this song is HORRENDOUS), Let Them Thangs Go and Ready 4 Whatever (probably the worst song I've ever heard from him)

I have others, but I just listed a few for you to get the point.

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Robbo who I quoted & whose post looked like it could be saying something of that sort.

 

[jason_g_718]

I agree with this but some would have you believe 2Pac never had a verse that didn't drop science beyond his years.

See dogg, this is the shit I'm talking about. I explained to you what I mean with the statements I made. Other people have supported my statements to an extent and also further explained what I was trying to say in better words. But you gotta keep going by extending an exaggerated accusation in an attempt to what? Mock me? Ridicule me? Attempt to make me look bad? Simply tease me?

Be an adult dogg, for real.

lol, you're a 28 year old wack rapper

What does age have to do with anything?

As for you saying I'm a "wack rapper", I quote you from a critique of the single that Dave D posted here about three months ago:

"It was alright. Not amazing, but far from terrible like you said you thought people would say. Have confidence in yourself man, you got skill and potential."
-Calcuo Cuchicheo

And, in addition to that, even if you claim now that I'm "a wack rapper", back when I picked up Nas' "Illmatic" about 4 months ago to give it a second shot (because I told you had had picked it up in 96 and thought it was terrible, you challenged me to try it again), I made a post and told you that I had picked it up and listened to it and that while it was a little better than I remember it being, I still didn't really like it. You asked me how many times I listened to it and I said once. You literally scoffed at me in your response and told me that I'm an idiot if I think a person can listen to an album once and make a decision on it's quality so quickly.

You've heard ONE SONG from me that was only 3:20. It was admittedly the first song I had ever recorded. So, how can you tell me what you told me about Illmatic, and then have the balls to contradict yourself now and say I'm a "wack rapper" when you've only heard ONE SONG from me, and it's just a sample. It was a song about some of my enemies. It didn't even give you a chance to see the diversity in my writing, the depth of my writing, the unique angles and perceptions I sometimes use. Basically what it comes down to is that you're talking shit. And if you think I'm going to take seriously the opinion of someone who first of all doesn't like me, has been consistently dogging me while playing a game of semantics and has only heard one song from me and in critiqing me contradicts his own statement that he made a few months ago, you're more arrogant than you come off sometimes.

& you're dissing me?

How is using sarcasm to tease you "dissing" you? I'm not doing anything in that comment that you haven't done to me.

You still unemployed?

You're getting desperate. My personal life has nothing to do with our debates on this forum.

Maybe you should hush & think of how to make your benefit cheque last longer....oh wait, forget all that, I'll just quote this other dude:

Hmmm....how funny is it that "Random 28 Year Old" is me.

Grow up, dogg.

 

[jason_g_718]

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Robbo who I quoted & whose post looked like it could be saying something of that sort.

Yeah, I know you weren't talking to me. This is a message forum. Just because the context you write in which I respond to wasn't written towards me doesn't mean I can't comment on it.

Besides, seeing as how we've been arguing Pac's lyrical depth/intentions whatever, I took the "& he did write some throw away stuff" line as a subliminal jab at me. If it wasn't thought, that's cool.

 

[haunted]

"Songs I don't like are Run Tha Streetz, Got My Mind Made Up, Bury Me a G, Just Like Daddy (oh...this song is HORRENDOUS), Let Them Thangs Go and Ready 4 Whatever (probably the worst song I've ever heard from him) "

Wow....

Let me guess you like California love and How Do You Want It? Maybe a little I Get Around?