Non-Urban Music The Message VS Smells Like Teen Spirit

Casey

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#1
So I was on another forum, where the subject matter of the thread was..

Which is the more relevant and which will be remembered as being more groundbreaking? Grandmaster Flash - "The Message" or Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"

Most people on there were saying "The Message" so I wrote this.

I LOVE "The Message".

But come on, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" wins this by a longshot.

My opinion is that truly great songs have to have more than 1-dimension, lyrically. Which is why Tupac's "Staring Through My Rearview" is also a better rap song than "The Message".

Once you have listened to "The Message" 2 or 3 times, you fully understand what the message (pardon the pun) is. There's no depth lyrically, it is an intentionally simple portrait of inner-city life at the time, which is exactly what was needed at that time to get non-city folks to understand.

Whereas 95% percent of people that have listened to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" still don't understand what the true meaning of the song is, in terms of how Kurt intended it to come across. Yet they can choose to interpret the lyrics in their own way, and relate it to their own lives. Which makes it all-the-more powerful of a song. Kurt wrote that song to express the apathy of "Generation X", and in my opinion, the generation listening to him, including myself (which I term "Generation Y"), and the current MTV generation (Generation Z?) is even further along the apathetic road (all you have to do is watch MTV to realise this)
thus making the song even more relevant than ever.

Melle Mel, Flash and the guys are definately instrumental in shaping hiphop to be what it is day. But in no way are they poets and spokespeople of entire generations of youth, like Kurt and Tupac.
What do you guys think?
 

PuffnScruff

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#3
i agree with you. you could ask 10 random people this question i bet alot of them would pick nirvana just because they have never heard of, or a single song by grandmaster flash. sort of an odd choice of songs to compare.
 

Salar

The One, The Only
#4
i agree with you.

What makes the song beautiful too is the irony behind smells like teen spirit. HE was talking about an apathetic generation who are blind as bats and follow like sheep and can't construct their own opinion about anything yet the song became popular because of that very reason. Everybody wanted to listen to nirvana, Nevermind was their "first album" and bleach was long forgotten. If this makes sense...

hence nirvana actually stopped playing the song at concerts or would tease the audience or would just fuck the entire song up. They hated it with a passion that kurt preffered smells like nirvana by wierd al yankovic more than he did smells like teen spirit
 
#6
Smells Like Teen Spirit.... I've never even heard The Message. Someone explain to me what's so great about "The Message"
 

Casey

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#7
/\ You've never heard the message? "It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"
 
#12
"don't push me cuz i'm close to the edge" ever heard that?


but i agree, hands down nirvana "smells like teen spirit", it was just a time when rock was down , sales for everyone was down and the 80's glam rock era was coming to an end and then this fresh music started comin from seattle and everything just went up from there, fuckin nirvana, pearl jam, soundgarden, they all had a huge impact, but the others never matched the impact nirvana had on the nation and the music scene in general
 

Duke

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#13
I pick the message. Why? Because it paved the way for a whole new genre of music. I give SLTS a sub-genre at best.

"Melle Mel, Flash and the guys are definately instrumental in shaping hiphop to be what it is day. But in no way are they poets and spokespeople of entire generations of youth, like Kurt and Tupac. "

This was about the two songs, right? Not about who made them or their impact on the youth of yesteryear.
 

Casey

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#14
Duke said:
I pick the message. Why? Because it paved the way for a whole new genre of music. I give SLTS a sub-genre at best.

"Melle Mel, Flash and the guys are definately instrumental in shaping hiphop to be what it is day. But in no way are they poets and spokespeople of entire generations of youth, like Kurt and Tupac. "

This was about the two songs, right? Not about who made them or their impact on the youth of yesteryear.
No. Read the original post.

Militant said:
Which is the more relevant and which will be remembered as being more groundbreaking? Grandmaster Flash - "The Message" or Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
I choose not to engage in discussions over "which is the better song" as that is something that is entirely subjective. everyone is entitled to an opinion. We were talking about relevance.
 

Casey

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#17
/\ Damn, how can you despise Nirvana? I understand if you don't like your music, that's your opinion, but why hate? Nirvana are one of the greatest rock bands ever.
 
#18
/\ i agree, u do not have to like someone to respect what they did, but to hate a group that influenced the entire music scene and changed the way a generation picked out music, not to mention started the whole grunge thing...that's hard to explain
 

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