The Abuse of Islam in Political Rhetoric

[Glockmatic]

This shit is really getting old an fast. Some of ya'll act like we invented terrorism, the shits been around for years we're just the flavor of the month so to speak. The west needs to stay out of the middle east period, stop interfering and meddling with the governments there.

We're in a world with globalization, if something fucks up somewhere it affects us here. Btw countries in the middle east had asked for soldiers to be stationed in their countries, Saudi Arabia is an example.

Im not saying allow the terror groups to do as they please but a big part of that is the wests butting in middle east affairs. Right now there is a country that is nuculearly armed, has chemical an bio weapons, also has concentration camps an starves its people. An its located in Asia im sure everyone knows who im talking about. But theres no oil there of course no benefit of occupation so we can just negotiate with them.

There is no benefit in occupying Iraq, 500 billion dollar cost, 2000 soldiers dead, rising gas prices and world opinion falling aren't benefits. Before you think i'm some right wing war monger I am not, I used to think the war was about oil, but then i thought about it and the lines didn't connect.

The US won't attack North Korea because if you remember the Korean War a country to the west joined the war, and now their army is bigger and stronger, and they joined the war because they didn't want the US right on their border.

Seriously you dont like Islam, fine no one here is loosing sleep at night cause you wont convert, thats not our thing, christians are the "soul savers". A simple discussion always gets turned into a bash Islam thread, "because mommy an daddy an cnn told me, you guys were horrible". Seriously i dunno what the deal is here anymore, bash another race, belief or whatever an someones gonna get banned, but bash Islam or those of here who are muslims an its open season.

Its really getting old, theres nothing wrong with a mature civilized discussion with both sides having their talking points, but the hate an ignorance is inexcusable and uncalled for.

I actually bash all religions, if people were banned for bashing christianity i would've been banned awhile ago.

 

[Kareem]

We're in a world with globalization, if something fucks up somewhere it affects us here. Btw countries in the middle east had asked for soldiers to be stationed in their countries, Saudi Arabia is an example.



There is no benefit in occupying Iraq, 500 billion dollar cost, 2000 soldiers dead, rising gas prices and world opinion falling aren't benefits. Before you think i'm some right wing war monger I am not, I used to think the war was about oil, but then i thought about it and the lines didn't connect.

The US won't attack North Korea because if you remember the Korean War a country to the west joined the war, and now their army is bigger and stronger, and they joined the war because they didn't want the US right on their border.



I actually bash all religions, if people were banned for bashing christianity i would've been banned awhile ago.

Glock I wasnt singling you out, my statements were just in general, there several people here who make anti-islamic remarks.

Now as far as your other comments, I dont see how people can say the occupation of Iraq is not about oil, we're talking about the number 2 supplier prior to the invasion, overthrow the regime set up a puppet government who will say yes to everything the u.s. asks or says, thats definately a + on the u.s. side. Cost alot to occupy? Sure but theres also lots being made off the occupation, ask Halliburton, Kellog brown an root, United defense ect all U.S. companies making a killing off killing!


Far as North Korea, yes im very aware of the korean war history , I served in Korea from 2002 to 2004. Im not saying attack the North but they should have been an should continue to be our 1st priority.Instead the Bush admin is drumming up Iran which shows no proof of making or seeking nuculear weapons. As far as China getting involved if we would go against the north, thats debatable, China stands to loose alot economiclly (sp) by going against us, the trade agreements an yadda yadda we have now with China didnt exsist during the Korean War, much has changed.

 

[Duke]

Now as far as your other comments, I dont see how people can say the occupation of Iraq is not about oil, we're talking about the number 2 supplier prior to the invasion, overthrow the regime set up a puppet government who will say yes to everything the u.s. asks or says, thats definately a + on the u.s. side. Cost alot to occupy? Sure but theres also lots being made off the occupation, ask Halliburton, Kellog brown an root, United defense ect all U.S. companies making a killing off killing!

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Come on, man. Prior to the second Gulf war the Iraqi oil infrastructure was completely in ruins. Even if controlling oil resources was their primary objective it would take 10 years before the country is able to extract some serious oil.

If the Iraq war is about oil, the American government is twice as stupid as you think because it'd be the most inefficient attempt to obtain oil. Ever.

 

[Devious]

and just to add to the argument that the war wasn't all about oil, i have to add that the US gets 80% of it's oil supply from Canada, not the Middle East. so how come they never invaded us? i used to believe this theory too, that it was all for oil, but it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Kareem]

and just to add to the argument that the war wasn't all about oil, i have to add that the US gets 80% of it's oil supply from Canada, not the Middle East. so how come they never invaded us?

Ahhhh haha thats what you think just wait Operation Canadian take over is in the works :laugh:

 

[Devious]

Ahhhh haha thats what you think just wait Operation Canadian take over is in the works :laugh:

hahaha, i just saw the movie Canadian Bacon on TV last night, now i'm scared it might happen :woah: :woah: :woah:

 

[TecK NeeX]

i'm sorry, but i read everything you wrote very carefully, and it clearly shows that you believe that if western troops are on Muslim land, then it is ok for Muslims to attack them, and the citizens of their country. maybe you should go back and read what you wrote yourself.



right here you are basically saying that because of what went on with the British invading Iraq (the military i might add, not its citizens) that their citizens deserve to be attacked, that you have no sympathy for them when they do get attacked. do you also have no sympathy for the people who died on 9/11? or did they bring that on themselves too?

No you did not notice the similarities between my post and jamies post, I was simply using his reasonings to show him just how flawed it is. He stated that he felt no sympathy for Muslims for the constant attacks against the religion because "we brought it on ourselves' So i replied with saying i felt no sympathy for the british because they brought it on themselves to point out how stupid that sounds. I have not once condoned terrorism or any attack on civilians. I've only condemned them, attacks on civilians are against Islam in everyway

and just to add to the argument that the war wasn't all about oil, i have to add that the US gets 80% of it's oil supply from Canada, not the Middle East. so how come they never invaded us? i used to believe this theory too, that it was all for oil, but it just doesn't make sense.

I dont know where you get your information from but you're way off here my friend. The current breakdown on where the U.S oil supply comes from is 17% from Canada, 15% from Saudi Arabia and 14% from Mexico. 80%? come on now

 

[TecK NeeX]

but now theres western soldiers in afghanistan, iraq and lebanon, more than there were a few years ago. People need to understand that foreign soldiers won't leave until there is stability there, terrorism isn't a sign of stability.

You've got issues if you believe the war in Iraq had anything to do with terrorism

 

[Devious]

No you did not notice the similarities between my post and jamies post, I was simply using his reasonings to show him just how flawed it is. He stated that he felt no sympathy for Muslims for the constant attacks against the religion because "we brought it on ourselves' So i replied with saying i felt no sympathy for the british because they brought it on themselves to point out how stupid that sounds. I have not once condoned terrorism or any attack on civilians. I've only condemned them, attacks on civilians are against Islam in everyway



I dont know where you get your information from but you're way off here my friend. The current breakdown on where the U.S oil supply comes from is 17% from Canada, 15% from Saudi Arabia and 14% from Mexico. 80%? come on now

well i've read many sources that dispute the breakdown you pointed out there. but let's assume that it is fact. that still shows that the majority of oil exported into the US comes from Canada, not the Middle East. so that point is still valid. why would they go after that oil supply and not ours? i would say that oil had something to do with all this, but people saying the war was only about oil need to pull their heads out of their asses and look at the facts. that theory just does not make sense when you break it down. the main reason why they are there IMO is so they can have a greater hold on the region and try to gain some control there. however, as usual, they went too far and started throwing their weight around, and only made a giant mess 10 times worse than it already was.

 

[Devious]

You've got issues if you believe the war in Iraq had anything to do with terrorism

and you've got issues if you believe the war in Iraq was only about oil.

 

[TecK NeeX]

and you've got issues if you believe the war in Iraq was only about oil.

when the fuck did i say it was about oil?

 

[Devious]

when the fuck did i say it was about oil?

well i used you as a quote, but i wasn't meaning you in particular, more towards just the people who constantly make that claim. my bad. but i have to ask, if you think it's not about terrorism, and it's not about oil, then what do you think its about?

 

[Glockmatic]

You've got issues if you believe the war in Iraq had anything to do with terrorism

I've never said it was about terror. Iraq was about shitty intelligence and a horrible president

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

TecK NeeX -

Sorry but I feel no sympathy for the english. If you're bothered by your 'society' and your people being attacked sort out your killers from foreign countries and ship them back to where ever the fuck they came from and the killings from both sides will stop.

I think its very obvoius what your saying here - you seem to be back tracking to save face Mr Teck Neex

I think you need to just get yourself to Pakistan , join one of those camps and get on with it .

 

[Devious]

I think its very obvoius what your saying here - you seem to be back tracking to save face Mr Teck Neex

I think you need to just get yourself to Pakistan , join one of those camps and get on with it .

well there is one thing i just noticed that i never really noticed before. jamie said he has no sympathy for islamic followers being attacked, meaning in the media, and the political rhetoric that this topic was about(which i don't completely agree with his stance, but i get the point he is trying to make there). TecK, in return, said he feels no sympathy for the English being attacked. but the English weren't being attacked by the media or political rhetoric, they were being attacked literally, with bombs, and people being injured and killed. there is a HUGE dfference, and if you can't see that TecK, then you need to wake up and open your eyes.

 

[Radafi]

99.9999999% of muslims do not believe in terrorism or the destruction of Israel, but of course the media and government love to focus on that 1% that do!An it seems quite a few people on this forum love to bash Islam but if you mention one negative word about Israel your an anti-semite If we really wanted to probe deep into which religion has had the most acts of terrorism or slaughter, you could definately but christanity at the top of that list.

i agree with most of ur stuff except one

i think (especially now) most muslims do want to see israel destroyed but in a peacefull way like by giving the land up becuz the israeli state is a state that was founded by breaking a law

 

[Radafi]

i agree there is a difference but wuts the difference between innocent muslims being bombed and innocent english being bombed?

 

[TecK NeeX]

if you think it's not about terrorism, and it's not about oil, then what do you think its about?

Its pretty obvious if one thinks about it. I believe its all part of a big plan for a future invasion of The only threat to Israel and the United States. Iran, They've got the country completely surrounded, Afghanistan in the West, Iraq in the East and UAE in the South. We would have already seen the U.S in Iran by now if it werent for the instability and resurgence of violence in Afghanistan and Iraq, Once those 2 countries are taken care of and stable, its only a matter of time before they go into Iran. I can already see the case for war with Iran already being made,

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

TecK NeeX Its pretty obvious if one thinks about it. I believe its all part of a big plan for a future invasion of The only threat to Israel and the United States. Iran, They've got the country completely surrounded, Afghanistan in the West, Iraq in the East and UAE in the South. We would have already seen the U.S in Iran by now if it werent for the instability and resurgence of violence in Afghanistan and Iraq, Once those 2 countries are taken care of and stable, its only a matter of time before they go into Iran. I can already see the case for war with Iran already being made.

I can see the point you are making Mr teck neex but religion aside do you not think its a good idea to sort out Iran ? Forget your ideas on the west right or wrong , Iran is a worry - probably more so than Iraq was in some eyes , yeah there is not the oil thing there but surely actions must be taken to sort things out in the middle east ??

I mean its hardly a nice place regardless of all the war mongering and propaganda that is pushed around in the media is it ?

 

[TecK NeeX]

I can see the point you are making Mr teck neex but religion aside do you not think its a good idea to sort out Iran ? Forget your ideas on the west right or wrong , Iran is a worry - probably more so than Iraq was in some eyes , yeah there is not the oil thing there but surely actions must be taken to sort things out in the middle east ??

I mean its hardly a nice place regardless of all the war mongering and propaganda that is pushed around in the media is it ?

Actually Iran is a very beautiful country, It looks very much like the west only people live differently. And Iran has plenty of oil just to let you know. They're self sufficient, they dont beg for outside help and they're very smart people. So my question to you is 'Sort' what out? You want to invade them because they dont like your part of the world? what is this. "like us or be killed?"