The 5 thoughts thread...

Dante said:
i think you hit the nail on the head. here are my thoughts....

amaru staff. i am not one to judge people on the basis of superficial characteristics, but the staff at amaru don't "look" like 2pac fans. to me, the person who needs to be in a decision making position is that person who followed pac's career from start to end and who is an old schooler who lived through the birth and evolution of hip hop. i love my brothers and sisters in hip hop, but unless you bought kings of rock when it dropped you won't have a full appreciation of the history. maybe i'm a snob, but buying albums from years back and tracing the path isn't the same experience as living the timeline. that all being said, it seems to me that the staff are on-board because of 2pac's (contrived) image and not as followers of his music and personal agendas.

the message. 2pac was a man of many faces. i am turned off with the prospect of dilluting his venom in favor of the social commentator, thug angel image. 2pac had a short fuse and blew up on those who he felt either crossed him or were being fake. maybe in 10 years he'd have chilled a bit, but the idea of offering collaboration to his former enemies in hip hop is disgusting. maybe i'm too much of a 2pac purist, but the prospect of amaru even offering jay-z a spot on a 2pac record makes me gag. at the very minimum i am thankful that the rumored 2pac, left eye, aaliyah, biggie song did not make the cut. just because people are dead doesn't make them all cool with each other. if 2pac wanted me to hear him say fuck wendy williams, i as a fan should hear it. vocal gaps and the trashing of diss tracks is like looking at pac's tremendous volume of work through tunnel vision.

the songs. i'm not one to boast and brag, but if i can make an album of unheards in less than 15 minutes, i fail to see why amaru cannot do the same. previously they had been very attentive to what had been leaked and every album treated us to some new material in the midst of leaked songs. that was a great way to keep things new and fresh (and was the redeeming quality of lttg). the prospect of an album of vocals that we have all heard before is troubling. consider that if an artist who IS ALIVE makes two flop albums in a row they're usually considered out of the game, shouldn't amaru have tried to bless us with a hit album instead of one that will sell, but won't fly off the shelves and certainly won't compete with jay-z's album?

the acapella leaks. this leads me to discuss my thoughts of the track selections for the new album. maybe i'm looking too deeply into the situation, but it seems to me that this album is a mass cleanup job. what i mean by that is that most of the recently leaked acapellas came from makaveli branded, who had been given them to promote the clothing line. after these acapellas leaked - which they were explicitly supposed to NOT leak - then suddenly it's like 1997 all over again. i won't name names, but amaru has tried to shut down some dj's over these acapellas. coincidentally, why is it that these same acapellas serve as the spine for many pac's life songs? knowing what little we know, and having a list of at least 50 songs that we all have and probably the same if not more that are unleaked, the rationale for these same acapellas that have been mixed 100000 times already being on the album tends to make me lean more toward the mentality of, "these leaked so let's use them quick before they leak to everyone in the world. after we use them then so what if stuff leaks further - we already used them for our project." this is just my thought, but i could see some reality in it.

the choices. i won't even address the fact that no other artist would ever put out an album of 13 tracks, 6 of which being the same track mixed twice. remixes are for singles and promos - not to pad an album. i also won't mention the laughable corny ass choice of having pac telling me to go to sleep and then two songs later telling me not to. what i will mention, however, is that the choices in production are poor. why is swizz or someone shouting west coast out in untouchable when he's as new york as you can get? the idea that each song has to have its own identity as a banger that stands out among the others is a huge mistake musically. a well thought album has different songs that play different roles - and 2pac was the same in the writing of his lyrics. cali love is empty of meaning, but it's meant to juice people up and is still one of the biggest hip hop club songs of all time. each song on an album (especially a 2pac one) plays its role... give us a couple venom diss tracks, a couple party can't c me tracks, one or two social tracks like brenda's or baby don't cry, a few posse cuts with the lawz, a chill track, and a couple pac and friends tracks. that's how a 2pac album is made.

all i can say is that rap phenom was better than ths album in terms of quantity and the integrity of pac's vocals as he recorded them, which is a sad thing to say considering that most net dj mixtapes beat that one hands down.

people at amaru - if you need help i will give it to you. i'd send them everything i had tomorrow if it would help the end-products to be more aligned with the presence and themes under which they were recorded. in the meantime, fine, i'll buy your product, but i'm starting to ask myself why with every album...

wow, VERY well stated... couldn't have said it better myself.. how it's possible that at least someone witihin Amaru cannot see this is beyond me... maybe this is just a 2pac forum, but I really feel that if they want to know how to cater to the TRUE pac fans they'd have a better idea of doing so if they at least paid a little bit of attention to the thoughts/views on this site alone.. I find it ridiculous that just 1 collector has a better grasp of what a new Pac album should feature than anyone at Amaru... this album, at least on paper, is an absolute disgrace to the pac legacy that he had left behind..
 
1. soon as i get home in cdq is worth the retail price on its own
2. it better be the OG, and not another 'fuck friends'
3. a new album full of songs with verses most of us have all heard before.
4. this is the 10th aniversary and this is the album we get
5. no johnny j, street life, komradz
 
1.I will buy the album just to hear Soon As I Get Home in good quality.
2.I wish someone like Dante was in charge of 2Pac's music.
3.My dream was to hear 2Pac over a RZA beat.Something like Long Kiss Goodnight.It would be perfect.As if that would happen.
4.Who is LT Hutton,who is hipsy hoodle,who are those other pieces of shit?
5.If there is anything to give the impression that 2Pac might be alive,i wont ever by another 2Pac album.Some kids still believe this.
 
Dante, the exclusion of Komradz on this album seems to not sit well with your theory of Amaru doing a clean up job of leaked acapellas. Any thoughts on this mate?
 
1. Why would they release one OG song amongst so many remixed songs? Perhaps to put to the test the theory that OG's WOULD be loved by new fans, even in an age of crunk/southern beats?
2. If they are actually prepared to let Fatal record a new verse (in contrast to Late Night on BD) why couldn't they have just put out a SIR volume two -type album? An album like that with ten songs could still be a banger, if they would all be on it. Now they're just waisting the few posse cuts that were left to make such an album.

Only two thoughts, since they're not really restricted to one line each. :)
 
1. no one knows what the fuck a gonzoe is except west coast fans and hardcore 2pac trolls.

2. we have most of the originals anyway so i dont see how this album is going to stop people from playing what we already have.

2.5. even the ones we dont have, we will eventually anyway...

3. all these remixes and not enough tracks makes this seem like an EP, is amaru gearing up for something else?

4. this seems like another mixtape shit put together, not by any dj or streethop internet dj, but by professional musicians. how come no one gets pissed when someone in the mixemup forums make a shitty mixtape?

5. weeeeebsiiiiiite!!!
 
1. On paper, a few tracks don't look bad
2. Looking forward to SAIGH
3. Looking forward to hearing Snoop on a track with Pac again, hoping its old Snoop, not Drop it like its hot/Signs snoop.
4. Two Play your cards rights? Two chances to do it right.
5. Overall will probably be better than LTTG, but not Better Dayz, instead falling somewhere in between the two.

I have to say, I was expecting even worse. I'm hoping I'm right in thinking that Untouchable and Pac's life w/Ashanti are the two low-points in the album.

I think we can virtually forget about ever seeing a release in the vein of RUSD, UTEOT or even Better Dayz. Amaru is furiously trying to polish these tracks in to the pop crap that you hear today, and its just not working. Its not even making for good pop crap.
 
kingdizzy said:
4. this seems like another mixtape shit put together, not by any dj or streethop internet dj, but by professional musicians. how come no one gets pissed when someone in the mixemup forums make a shitty mixtape?
Maybe because it's not an official release by 2Pac's own record label?
 
cookies said:
^^what you saying?
kingdizzy asked why we're getting mad at this release when its no different from a shitty mixtape released by anyone from MixEmUp, and I'm telling him that this is an official album that is on shelves, and shouldn't be "mixtape" quality.
 
Diaz said:
kingdizzy asked why we're getting mad at this release when its no different from a shitty mixtape released by anyone from MixEmUp, and I'm telling him that this is an official album that is on shelves, and shouldn't be "mixtape" quality.

lol, my bad. i never seem to read the post thoroughly:p
 
Diaz said:
kingdizzy asked why we're getting mad at this release when its no different from a shitty mixtape released by anyone from MixEmUp, and I'm telling him that this is an official album that is on shelves, and shouldn't be "mixtape" quality.

what does it matter that its on shelves? ive seen alot of 2pac remix albums on shelves.

2pac's own label?? death row?? euphanasia?? what label?? amaru is 2pac's mom's label, not 2pac's.

and ive said it once, and i'll gladly say it again.

"THANK YOU BOOTLEGGERS. THANK YOU G.LITT AND DANTE" (SEND MY SHIT BITCH)
 
kingdizzy said:
what does it matter that its on shelves? ive seen alot of 2pac remix albums on shelves.

2pac's own label?? death row?? euphanasia?? what label?? amaru is 2pac's mom's label, not 2pac's.

and ive said it once, and i'll gladly say it again.

"THANK YOU BOOTLEGGERS. THANK YOU G.LITT AND DANTE" (SEND MY SHIT BITCH)
lol you know what I mean dizzy.
 
yea i get what your saying, this being an official 2pac album...but the 2pac i knew and was a fan of died in 96, ALL of the new shit that's come out since then has been sub-par, with the exception of the makaveli album.

so this new release doesnt surprise me that it's all remixed. i still have the OG's to enjoy so this new album will be like another mixemup forum remix album, IMO. this is def not a diss to anyone who remixes pac shit, lol.
 
this is like what happen'd if we knew the cow that we are gonna butcher?...if we diddnt even listen to the og's then ignorance would be so blissful right now...so stop bitchin'...this doesnt take away our OG's nor his legacy in any way...just cherish what you have and thank god for what you get....
 
1. Cant help it - cant wait for the album
2. hope at least the remixes (3, i guess) sound nothing like the "album versions" (Ex: i hope pacs life with Ti has a completely different sound than the one with snoop etc.)
3. i doubt that "sleep" and "go to sleep" are even the same songs
4. ^ could one of those sleep tracks be the one that has a snippet on Gonzoes site (since he is on the track)? That would be DOPE!
5. I think the spelling of track titles and artists may be a little off (Playa cardz right doesnt make any sense, and i assume "young" is young buck, i hope sleep and go to sleep are shortened titles maybe etc.)
 
Icecixz said:
this is like what happen'd if we knew the cow that we are gonna butcher?...if we diddnt even listen to the og's then ignorance would be so blissful right now...so stop bitchin'...this doesnt take away our OG's nor his legacy in any way...just cherish what you have and thank god for what you get....


CO-SIGN!!! :cool: :thumb:
 
1. got all the ogs in good quality.
2. verses being recycled over again.
3. Internet djs coudve made a better cd
4. Tellin me to sleep then dont go to sleep. wtf
5. Dj fatal would shit on amaru anyday.

peace
 
1. This album looks terrible...
2. 2pac introduced me to rap music, now its hard to comprehend how much his music is in jepordy.
3. i always thought BD pwned. every 1 hated it, now its a benchmark on this forum of what a posthumus release should sound like..
4. ....speechless.
5. F amaru..
 

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