Stupid americans...

[Glockmatic]

Oh also, sorry for derailing this thread. A mod should move these posts to WoW to continue it

 

[Prize Gotti]

You didn't even acknowledge my facts I posted, and just posted "ITS ALL PROPAGANDA!". No, they're historic fact. The French know it, the Belgians know it, the Italians know it, the Chinese know it, the English know it. All their historians know it as fact because it indeed happen and its true. If the UK school system teaches that they would have survived without American assistance then its a disgrace to historical education that completely ignores solid factual evidence.

Read a bit into World War 2, I mean REALLY read into it, not just looking at poorly written websites by some super-patriotic 13 year olds who know nothing.

Its not facts, it what you are told are facts. The rest of the world know that its all bullshit. You just can't handle the fact that you are wrong. I said it a fucking thousand times now, I wouldn't say this shit if I was wrong, I wouldn't waste my time. I swear I must be the most educated fucking person on this fucking site, probably explains my MENSA membership, and why I had a college education 2 years before all of my friends left secondary school. I was educated in America, I was also educated in the UK, Germany & Spain, and its funny how the latter three's historical education is the same but the first countries historical education differs greatly.

 

[Sebastian]

Time for uncle Seb to step in and voice his opinion:

Another victim of North America propaganda, which you like to call "Education". All that stuff you learnt in school about North American history is false. It was made up by North American governments to have you believe what they want you to believe, the same applies to North American media. None of it is true, its all fabricated by politicians to make the countries run they way they want them to run.

It doesnt even matter if there is propaganda or not. The way you replied sucks because you say something like it is a fact, without actually supporting your argument. Everyone can pull something like this out of his ass and say "blah, all propaganda".

Your not getting it the germans took very few troops into russia because they had to split there forces. They couldnt push into russia because they had to defend our attack. Like i said if germany could have had more resources they would have destroyed the Brits fleets. The Germans made one of the largest Battleships of WWII. If they could have built 10 more the Brits could have not stoped the Germans. All you basterds are lucky that we split the germans forces or all of you would have a poster of Hitler in your houses.

First of all: Nice to see a new member coming into the forum and taking part in a discussion.

But, attention on your reply: You say "we" like youve been a part in the war, like you were a soldier fighting for your country. Actually, you were not. You were not even born back then.

Plus, no one knows how it would look like today if the us had not been involved in the war. However, it was good the us did get involved in the end.

 

[Glockmatic]

Its not facts, it what you are told are facts. The rest of the world know that its all bullshit. You just can't handle the fact that you are wrong. I said it a fucking thousand times now, I wouldn't say this shit if I was wrong, I wouldn't waste my time. I swear I must be the most educated fucking person on this fucking site, probably explains my MENSA membership, and why I had a college education 2 years before all of my friends left secondary school. I was educated in America, I was also educated in the UK, Germany & Spain, and its funny how the latter three's historical education is the same but the first countries historical education differs greatly.

You still haven't posted ANY evidence. I don't think saying "I wouldn't be saying this if I was wrong!" works in any court of law if you're defending yourself, why would it work anywhere else? So please, post some evidence, it should be easy to find with your MENSA membership and your use of the internet before all of us (when you were what? 6 years old?)

 

[Prize Gotti]

You still haven't posted ANY evidence. I don't think saying "I wouldn't be saying this if I was wrong!" works in any court of law if you're defending yourself, why would it work anywhere else? So please, post some evidence, it should be easy to find with your MENSA membership and your use of the internet before all of us (when you were what? 6 years old?)

I was 9, and I did post evidence, which you disputed as nonsence and provided your "evidence" on which I advised you was North American propoganda. Go and get a real education and then you'll have all the evidence you need.

 

[Glockmatic]

I was 9

So you used the same internet that I used (aka the one we're using now)

I did post evidence, which you disputed as nonsence and provided your "evidence" on which I advised you was North American propoganda. Go and get a real education and then you'll have all the evidence you need.

You posted ZERO evidence, there is a difference between posting your point of view and evidence, I thought a member of MENSA would know the difference and would know how to debate.

 

[Prize Gotti]

So you used the same internet that I used (aka the one we're using now)



You posted ZERO evidence, there is a difference between posting your point of view and evidence, I thought a member of MENSA would know the difference and would know how to debate.

You obviously are retarded. The Internet we know did not excist in 1993, as it was the birth year of the "WWW". The information I posted about British defences and the Russians are evidence, not points of views. I know how to debate, but you can't have a debate with uneducated people.

 

[Glockmatic]

You obviously are retarded. The Internet we know did not excist in 1993, as it was the birth year of the "WWW".

People were using internet browsers such as WorldWideWeb in 1990 and used alt.newsgroups.

The information I posted about British defences and the Russians are evidence, not points of views. I know how to debate, but you can't have a debate with uneducated people.

Where is the evidence that America wasn't needed to win the war? That the UK would have survived without their assistance?

I don't understand the "North American Propaganda" argument. I live in Canada, a country which tries to downplay every American achievement, yet we know for a fact that America played a MAJOR role in the Allied victory. To say that its North American propaganda is ignorant and holds no ground

 

[Prize Gotti]

People were using internet browsers such as WorldWideWeb in 1990 and used alt.newsgroups

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That is not the same internet we are using today.

Where is the evidence that America wasn't needed to win the war? That the UK would have survived without their assistance?

Im not saying America wasn't needed, but there is no evidence to say the UK needed America to survive.

 

[Jokerman]

Prize Gotti, you're being so vague here that I'm not sure what you are saying is all US government propaganda. That Americans fought and lost their lives fighting in Europe? No? Well that alone is helping England win the war. Nothing is all propaganda. Anyone who's read A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn, or similar books, will get the idea that there's another side to the usual public school textbooks on US history. And some of it is undoubtedly true. This stuff is not hidden or hard to find. In fact, it's all over the place. Very few Americans are clueless nowadays, and don't believe everything the government puts out. But just like the "official" story, a lot of this needs to be balanced and it's not. The writers have an ideological agenda: communist, socialist, anti-elites, or whatever. It's also often simplistic, just like someone saying, everything the government tells you is propaganda.

What we find in a lot of this revisionist US history is instead of presenting events in American history as they happened with an attempt at being unbiased, every event is setup with a spin to make it sound like a travesty. And historically inexperienced people come to believe that, and then think that everyone else is naive and in the dark.

There are plenty of balanced historians out there who consider things objectively. You need to distinguish. Just as you're saying most Americans have been told distorted history, you need to consider whether you've gotten distorted history--but from the other side.

 

[Glockmatic]

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That is not the same internet we are using today.

Yes it is, browsers like Netscape and Opera was being used at the time to access the internet. People were using it to talk on newsgroups.

Im not saying America wasn't needed, but there is no evidence to say the UK needed America to survive.

The UKs only way of surviving was the lifeline connected to Canada through the Atlantic that was being devastated by the raiding parties of German U-Boats. Without American convoy support (which included air patrols provided by American Carriers) the UK would be starved of resources.

Without American Convoys there would be no Atlantic Lifeline, without the lifeline there would be no Allied buildup, without the Allied buildup there would be no D-Day invasion.

You downplay the role Americans gave to save an entire continent, which is disrespectful to the 400,000 who gave their lives to a place where most of them didn't even know anything about. To say that they basically supplied firearms is idiotic

 

[Prize Gotti]

Prize Gotti, you're being so vague here that I'm not sure what you are saying is all US government propaganda. That Americans fought and lost their lives fighting in Europe? No? Well that alone is helping England win the war. Nothing is all propaganda. Anyone who's read A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn, or similar books, will get the idea that there's another side to the usual public school textbooks on US history. And some of it is undoubtedly true. This stuff is not hidden or hard to find. In fact, it's all over the place. Very few Americans are clueless nowadays, and don't believe everything the government puts out. But just like the "official" story, a lot of this needs to be balanced and it's not. The writers have an ideological agenda: communist, socialist, anti-elites, or whatever. It's also often simplistic, just like someone saying, everything the government tells you is propaganda.

What we find in a lot of this revisionist US history is instead of presenting events in American history as they happened with an attempt at being unbiased, every event is setup with a spin to make it sound like a travesty. And historically inexperienced people come to believe that, and then think that everyone else is naive and in the dark.

There are plenty of balanced historians out there who consider things objectively. You need to distinguish. Just as you're saying most Americans have been told distorted history, you need to consider whether you've gotten distorted history--but from the other side.

Finally some one with a fuckin brain.

 

[Glockmatic]

Finally some one with a fuckin brain.

Ya, its not you. Read his post again, hes criticizing you but in a polite way.

 

[7 Syns]

Maybe, but Id rather be the guy in the air conditioned room that has enough money to pay people like you to build my house.

That's not even a swipe at you, I just hate laboring work.

I don't do laboring work though man, most my work consists of math. But it's cool to each their own. I'll save mad money building my own house as opposed to having someone build it for me. That and alot of builders over charge people, I could if I want but I don't/wouldn't.

peac3.

 

[Casey]

I'm not going to get into the war argument, because anyone here making any argument is biased towards one side or the other. Why?

Every country has propaganda in its history. American history exaggerates its role in WW2 and downplays the UK. UK history does the same and downplays the US role.

Unless you were there, chances are what you know is wrong in someway. And having seen the bullshit that the US media reports regarding the war on terror.....the things I find out about the way your history is taught don't surprise me.

I was in Portland for 4th July. My mother in law said to a few people "This is his first 4th July."

A few people said "what, you don't celebrate 4th july in the UK?"

That's how solid a grasp you guys have on your own history.

As for Gottis main points, I know where he is coming from. Its easier to be poor in the US than it is here, that's undeniable. Why? Because a) you get more for your money and b) you guys take capitalism seriously.

What I mean by that is - if there is ANY opportunity to promote or make money, its there for you guys. To use a very basic example - you know when you guys have TV shows?....there will usually be adverts between the end of the show and the credits.

That doesn't happen here, but for every show on the channel that's a bunch more money. That's just one small example but I think you can see what I mean. Its easier to make money there than it is here.

 

[Rukas]

^^ Exactly, the UK is just as guilty of propaganda as the US and exaggerates things just as much.

One example is the Enigma Machine, the British seem to want to take responsibility for cracking the Nazi codes in WW2 when in fact it was the Polish cryptologists working at the Cipher Bureau that cracked the code. The movie Enigma (a UK production) totally disregarded the fact it was cracked by Polish cryptologists and shows the British cracking it while the Polish soldier was the traitor, when in fact it was cracked by the Polish and the only traitor was English.

The Americans want a part of the Enigma story too, the movie U-571 depicts the American's fighting the German's to secure an Enigma Machine which they say was then used by the Polish to crack the code, but this is not true at all the machine was supplied by the British.

So yes, everyone lies and wants to seem more important than they are.

 

[ill-matic]

Ok, how much is welfare on a weekly basis?

If I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about, I wouldn't say shit, I wouldn't even get involved in threads like these. But I do know my shit, and it angers me when I see how ignorant people like you are. When you actually know something about the world, come and debate with me. I travelled the world with the U.S. Army, shit I was using the Internet before it was even called the Internet, back when it was made up of U.S. Military Bulletin Boards.

Here's more proof of American Ignorance, you remember that time the U.S. spy plane and its crew was caught in Chinese airspace? You motherfuckers were about to go to war with China, the U.S. was preparing Navy vessels, tanks and aeroplanes to go bomb the fuck outta China. None of you were aware of this because your media told you otherwise.

I resent that you throw me into the pool of "ignorant people". That shit is just unfounded and completely unwarranted because what you said was horseshit. Atleast people in your country receive universal free healthcare, whereas atleast 50% of American's don't receive adequate health care purely for the unfortunate fact that they cannot afford it.

If you want to compare pictures and photos as the basis of your argument then fine. Ill just google an image of an American ghetto and we'll see how that sits with that photo of a British public housing estate. Whatever.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

What a funny thread...

 

[S. Fourteen]

stupid german. fucker.

 

[Sebastian]

Wow, i didnt think this thread would become such a huge success...