Still I Rise Vs. Pac's Life; the end of an era

[masta247]

you meen the realest not black haze he change his name to the realest

lmao not this guy again. Somebody check his Ip.. it's a joke

 

[Rukas]

you meen the realest not black haze he change his name to the realest

They're two different people. Study your Pac biters.

 

[masta247]

anyway.. how come amaru is that brave to release Pac's life at the end of November when at the same time there's new Game (better than PL), Fat Joe, Snoop dogg, Jay-z. Puffy, Banks and many others out. Pac won't sell to good...

 

[Rukas]

anyway.. how come amaru is that brave to release Pac's life at the end of November when at the same time there's new Game (better than PL), Fat Joe, Snoop dogg, Jay-z. Puffy, Banks and many others out. Pac won't sell to good...

They're not brave, their just stupid. They are under the disillusion that Pac will sell no matter what kind of beats your throw him on, no matter what kind of artists you feature him with, no matter what kind of promo you give the album, and no matter when it is released.

 

[Butt Rubber]

Still not a very fitting comparison i think, cuz still i rise was a 2pac & Outlawz collabo album.

Pac's life is close to being the album with the least outlawz on it (the full group for sure).

also, still i rise was an eary album, the rap game was different 6 years ago, amaru still had a huge amount of material to choose from. this time around they were much more limited.

i agree that Loyal to the game was terrible, and that just cuz this one is better, doesn't automatically make it good, but i think the similarities between LTTG and pacs life are bigger than those between Still i rise and pacs life. its a more logical comparison

RUSD had one outlawz song out of 20+, and it was before the outlawz were even invented

 

[Fataldawg]

anyway.. how come amaru is that brave to release Pac's life at the end of November when at the same time there's new Game (better than PL), Fat Joe, Snoop dogg, Jay-z. Puffy, Banks and many others out. Pac won't sell to good...

They're not brave, their just stupid. They are under the disillusion that Pac will sell no matter what kind of beats your throw him on, no matter what kind of artists you feature him with, no matter what kind of promo you give the album, and no matter when it is released.

I honestly dont think Pacs Life will move more then 150,000 the 1st week..

 

[Nut]

All these LTTG/PL comparisons are ridicules, really.

In my opinion Still I Rise is the best post-humus 2Pac release (not counting Makaveli) followed very close by R U Still Down. But for the sake of single disc releases, this really is the only comparison that should be made.

Loyal To The Game sucked, hands down, it was awful. Comparing Pac's Life to it and then somehow coming to the conclusion that Pac's Life is good because it is better than LTTG is retarded.

If you want to see how a Tupac album could, should and has been handled, pop Still I Rise into your CD player. We need to set a bar, a standard of rating so to speak, and in my opinion, Still I Rise is the minimum a Pac album should be. We know it is possible, it has been done, the quality of the vocals used (read: wasted) on LTTG and Pac's Life is just as good as those used on SIR; there is no realistic excuse as to why these albums shouldnt be as good and respectful as SIR.

I miss Tupac so fucking much, but Ive come to the disappointing realization that his time is well and truly over, it is time to stop. The music is an embarrassment to what it was in the 90's, even after he passed, as are the fan attitudes and the community as a whole.

It's over.

Finally some1 with knowledge

 

[cookies]

They're not brave, their just stupid. They are under the disillusion that Pac will sell no matter what kind of beats your throw him on, no matter what kind of artists you feature him with, no matter what kind of promo you give the album, and no matter when it is released.

50-50 on this. first post on point

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

good thread

anyways ya this album is weird
better production which however sounds like a duets album. 1 pac verse and some1 eles doin the hook and other ppl feats. Hmm Jay Z ; Snooop ; THe game ; Puffy whos #1 ; or Pacs life everyone needs to chill .. with its lead single off beat.

well we all need to buy a few copies lol

 

[meltiger]

At this stage I think the only way Amaru could suprise us is if they put Black Haze on there pretending to be Pac, and that wouldnt be good.

I expect everything to gradually go down hill until it hits the wall.

You are seriously over reacting.


There are only 1 song on there that is truly terrible - International. The bootleg we knew as World Wide Dime Piece was a piece of shit anyway. No big loss.

Yes, this album does not stack up in any way to Still I Rise, however at the end of the day, can we expect that from an album that is essentially a collection of 1 verse songs?

I'm prepared to wait on Amaru to hit us with their next project. If next time around, we get another disc full of 1 verse (From Pac) songs, then I will agree with you.

This release is definitly a steup UP from L2TG


Quit bitching.

 

[THA_DAN]

they still drop some tight tracks, problem is they need to come with a totally coherent album, take the few good tracks on pac's life and multiply them. at least there is an improvement compared to lttg imo, they didn't fuck his vocals.

lttg was a shame, this one is ok for a tribute album.

 

[Jeremy]

they still drop some tight tracks, problem is they need to come with a totally coherent album, take the few good tracks on pac's life and multiply them. at least there is an improvement compared to lttg imo, they didn't fuck his vocals.

lttg was a shame, this one is ok for a tribute album.

It's not a fucking tribute album. It's an official PAC album. Why the fuck do people keep saying this. Jesus fucking christ.

 

[CoolWaterz]

Rukas, I read all the responses to your post and most people on here get it. but there are some who just dont seem to understand. Ill bet that they are younger than us older folks on here who were around for the 2pac era..those of us who got me against the world when 2pac was actually in jail...those who bought 2pacs casette tape singles. People seem to be in blatant denial just because 2pac's name comes up in a new rap song every 5 minutes. but the fact of the matter is that the 2pac era of rap is over. And its not because his music is outdated in any way, it is because of the mishandling of his music PERIOD.

All of 2pac's music still has a firm place in hiphop today. the problem is its become more of a joke than anything else. "Oh 2pacs dead, heres another album". The albums have gotten so generic, that a 2pac album has lost its credibility as a piece of art in hiphop. I said it from the start. His music never needed to be tampered with. People seem to have different opinions..they would say "just be happy with what you got" "be happy their putting music out" as if i should be make to feel like an ingrate. Fact of the matter is, it was clear there was only one road to go down once they started remixing beautiful songs and making duets with artists 2pac would have never worked with. To be honest, looking back now i would have rather they never released a posthumous 2pac album post R U Still Down. 2pac doesnt even sell anymore..and its not just because hes been dead..look at Kurt Cobain. He made millions this year alone because he had a new cd released of unreleased songs. The reason 2pac albums dont sell anymore is because they are POOR ALBUMS. The older mature folks out there have no desire to hear 2pac remixed with the hot new artist of the month...i really cannot for the life of me understand who Amaru is catering to. Id rather have had 1 album in the last 5 years that contained 12 originals than 5 albums in the last 5 years containing 70 or so remixed duets.

2pac's music is still marketable if they used the mans formula and stopped trying to market it to 12 year olds who DONT buy these shitty albums anyways. It's sad...look at elvis and how he still sells..Ive never heard unreleased Elvis Presley songs on the radio where hes singing with fucking Coldplay just because their hot right now. ANd dont tell people who feel this way to stop complaining. Theres an old saying that goes something like this:
"You see things and you ask why? I see things and ask, why not?"

If some of you content with the continued raping of 2pacs legacy, go buy and support the album. I for one, will not give money regardless of if its 2pac to a label I feel makes every wrong decision in the book.

 

[Jeremy]

Rukas, I read all the responses to your post and most people on here get it. but there are some who just dont seem to understand. Ill bet that they are younger than us older folks on here who were around for the 2pac era..those of us who got me against the world when 2pac was actually in jail...those who bought 2pacs casette tape singles. People seem to be in blatant denial just because 2pac's name comes up in a new rap song every 5 minutes. but the fact of the matter is that the 2pac era of rap is over. And its not because his music is outdated in any way, it is because of the mishandling of his music PERIOD.

All of 2pac's music still has a firm place in hiphop today. the problem is its become more of a joke than anything else. "Oh 2pacs dead, heres another album". The albums have gotten so generic, that a 2pac album has lost its credibility as a piece of art in hiphop. I said it from the start. His music never needed to be tampered with. People seem to have different opinions..they would say "just be happy with what you got" "be happy their putting music out" as if i should be make to feel like an ingrate. Fact of the matter is, it was clear there was only one road to go down once they started remixing beautiful songs and making duets with artists 2pac would have never worked with. To be honest, looking back now i would have rather they never released a posthumous 2pac album post R U Still Down. 2pac doesnt even sell anymore..and its not just because hes been dead..look at Kurt Cobain. He made millions this year alone because he had a new cd released of unreleased songs. The reason 2pac albums dont sell anymore is because they are POOR ALBUMS. The older mature folks out there have no desire to hear 2pac remixed with the hot new artist of the month...i really cannot for the life of me understand who Amaru is catering to. Id rather have had 1 album in the last 5 years that contained 12 originals than 5 albums in the last 5 years containing 70 or so remixed duets.

2pac's music is still marketable if they used the mans formula and stopped trying to market it to 12 year olds who DONT buy these shitty albums anyways. It's sad...look at elvis and how he still sells..Ive never heard unreleased Elvis Presley songs on the radio where hes singing with fucking Coldplay just because their hot right now. ANd dont tell people who feel this way to stop complaining. Theres an old saying that goes something like this:
"You see things and you ask why? I see things and ask, why not?"

If some of you content with the continued raping of 2pacs legacy, go buy and support the album. I for one, will not give money regardless of if its 2pac to a label I feel makes every wrong decision in the book.

Hit the nail RIGHT on the head.

 

[2PacThug4Life]

Hit the nail RIGHT on the head.

:thumb:

 

[meltiger]

Rukas, I read all the responses to your post and most people on here get it. but there are some who just dont seem to understand. Ill bet that they are younger than us older folks on here who were around for the 2pac era ..those of us who got me against the world when 2pac was actually in jail...those who bought 2pacs casette tape singles.

Geez. Talk about being jugdemental.


Rukas will tell you that I have been a fan of Pac's since long before he died, yes, I bought Me Against The World whilst Pac was in jail, yes I was devestated when he passed, no I am not of the 'changes' era ... Yet still, I disagree with you.


That is a horrible assumption to make.

 

[THA_DAN]

^true. and rukas is one year older than me. dont tell me he was hardly listening to pac when he was 10 years old, now come on.

ive been a fan since '97 and i can still recognize weak ass tracks and well produced ones, and compared to lttg, this album got some fire tracks, unfortunately lack of tracks and remixes make the album kinda incomplete. still an improvement.

 

[Rukas]

Meltiger put it this way, when Im over your house and we drinking beer, would you EVER pop Pac's Life on (and I dont mean just to spite me hehe)? No. The album is trash, and I wont hold my breath for another good one, I did that after LTTG, and to some extent have been doing that since UTEOT.

And Tha_Dan, Ive been listening to Pac since 93. I was 10.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

To all the people saying Pac's Life is better than Loyal To The Game, you are wrong. I think the only reason people believe that is because this album is causing less of a stir than Loyal To The Game did. Why? Because fans are actually getting used to Pac's material being massacred (as sad as it is).

There are definitely more bumpable tracks on Loyal To The Game than there is on Pac's Life.

 

[THA_DAN]

And Tha_Dan, Ive been listening to Pac since 93. I was 10.

i believe that, but you were not a fan to the same extent than the years following his death.

i mean, this is far from a real pac album, but dumpin' alone kills any track released since better dayz.