something to think about

[ghostfacekilla]

^^ true, even if they knocked two empty towers down that would have been a massive scare, the type they could of used to furfill future overseas operations.

 

[ghostfacekilla]

who was behind the towers is a hard question to answer but when you look at iraq something is not right.

 

[Glockmatic]

That footage was not broadcast after 1 or 2 days. Also other images that would have made people more angry was edited out like people jumping from the WTC.

When it happened we were in the library watching the whole thing on CNN, and they showed the towers falling and people jumping out the same day over and over and over again.

 

[ghostfacekilla]

That footage was not broadcast after 1 or 2 days. Also other images that would have made people more angry was edited out like people jumping from the WTC.

rofl

i live in the uk and you could all but watch the thing live on every channel.

you could see people jumping out also.

 

[ATI_RAGE_]

Well I remember they would not show it here, and the next day it was very limited. If they showed it everyday and said " Look you want this to be you" I could say yeah but thats not the way it is.


I think that you guys miss something that is that news channels have to make money too how do you make money? Advertising, if you show shocking and graphic footage it's like a train wreck everyone goes to watch. So thats why footage is often replayed.

 

[Illuminattile]

allright lets debate the evidence that is provided in the movie

btw: what is your opinion on the facts provided so far

are you a little suspicious yet?

I've seen it all before and it's always the same thing. As soon as someone questions the dubious "evidence", they get told how they're "brainwashed". There's no room for disagreement with people like him. Even if I agreed with the 9/11 conspiracy theories, I'd have said the exact same thing about Numbers, because he *does* come across as an arrogant asshole. Even if you agree with him I don't see how you can stand the guy.

I will watch the video - I started to but I genuinely don't have time to - but the theory itself doesn't stand up to the basic tests of common sense. As much as some people would love to believe it, there aren't the required number of government employees evil enough to pull off something like this.

 

[BC_BIGBUDZ420]

Well I remember they would not show it here, and the next day it was very limited. If they showed it everyday and said " Look you want this to be you" I could say yeah but thats not the way it is.


I think that you guys miss something that is that news channels have to make money too how do you make money? Advertising, if you show shocking and graphic footage it's like a train wreck everyone goes to watch. So thats why footage is often replayed.

you are right

but it was also replayed hundreds of times to install fear into people

i bet on sept 12 the US could have done anything as long as they said it was for the security of the american people

but now if the US wanted to invade iran they would need a whole new disaster because they would be unable to scare people into buying into a war with iran

btw: did you finish the movie?

if not did you get the the part where the unical ceo becomes president of afgahnistan and contracts all of afgahnistans oil to unical

very shady

 

[BC_BIGBUDZ420]

I've seen it all before and it's always the same thing. As soon as someone questions the dubious "evidence", they get told how they're "brainwashed". There's no room for disagreement with people like him. Even if I agreed with the 9/11 conspiracy theories, I'd have said the exact same thing about Numbers, because he *does* come across as an arrogant asshole. Even if you agree with him I don't see how you can stand the guy.

I will watch the video - I started to but I genuinely don't have time to - but the theory itself doesn't stand up to the basic tests of common sense. As much as some people would love to believe it, there aren't the required number of government employees evil enough to pull off something like this.

i look forward to debating this with you

but please have an open mind when watching this because if you have your mind made up before you see any evidence than it is pointless even watching it

 

[ATI_RAGE_]

you are right

but it was also replayed hundreds of times to install fear into people

i bet on sept 12 the US could have done anything as long as they said it was for the security of the american people

but now if the US wanted to invade iran they would new a whole new disaster because they would be unable to scare people into buying into a war with iran



very shady

Isn't this what was said before the elections so everyone is so scared they vote for Bush? Then everyone said that Bin Laden would be caught so Bush is re-elected, neither of which happened.

I think that speaks for itself, their is no big conspiracy going on.

 

[BC_BIGBUDZ420]

Isn't this what was said before the elections so everyone is so scared they vote for Bush? Then everyone said that Bin Laden would be caught so Bush is re-elected, neither of which happened.

I think that speaks for itself, their is no big conspiracy going on.

there where a few theories floating around about binladen being captured ect

and dick was saying that if the american people voted for kerry there would be another attack blah blah blah


however i dont see how this disproves any of the evidence in the movie

please explain

 

[1671...1396]

Look i know i lost my head and said alot of stupid shit
im human and some shit was really pissing me off
ive said my sorry's and do mean it


the main thing that was pissing me off

1. was ati was talking down and rofl at something he admits didnt want to waste his time watching so at that time hadnt watched it!

2.rofl---ok maybe calling sombody dumb,idiot, and all the jr. high school shit you can think of is easy to see as an insult,but rofl
is implying that what sombody is saying is laughable which is almost saying that its stupid....and he did put that on every reply which is insulting
like i said before if sombody you were talking to is laughing at everything your trying to say it kinda gets under your skin and better yet makes you not want to communicate on a intelligent level

3.when other people jump into sombody elses argument
now if you got something positive to say to try to squash it fine
but when you come in with your little jab shots it just makes shit worse by then i was already pissed that sombody was thinking everything is funny and then tag team back again.........

4.when sombody is trying to get under sombody's skin then act's like they did nothing of the sort



anyway i know im not perfect and if ive come across as an asshole 2 what 2 or 3 people im sorry......but i felt it was a valid point that sombody undermining what i was trying to say by laughing at it was just as bad as me acting like a little kid calling name's

maybe im wrong but the whole point of this was so people can watch and make up there own mind i dont care if people dont agree with everything but when people undermine what your trying to get out for people to choose themselves,or when you pre determind something is stupid or laughable before you watch it it can spoil it for other people

just my 2 cents and it was never personal

 

[1671...1396]

i thought i shared alot of info and facts
so here they go again

the main movie clip

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/190704greatillusion.htm

some facts about terrorism and terrorist
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104powerofnightmares.htm


the northwood document which is proof are goverment planned on lying to us before
http://www.prisonplanet.com/northwoods.pdf

who profits from war? look here-
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=wh...ww.publicintegrity.org/wow/report.aspx?aid=65


prior knowledge-
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/05/04/MN56625.DTL

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/913687.html




http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_398414.html?menu

the bush bin laden links

http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/family_link.htm?in_article_id=74355&in_page_id=1263

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_profits.htm


http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=6793&hed=Carlyle's+Way



bush stopping fbi probes

http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/Bush_Took_CIA_off.htm?art_id=1030259305

http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/sitting_on_theFBI.htm

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=0

http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/Access Denied.htm?cp1=1


http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/12/bush/




or go here and look at all the info

http://infowars.com/resources.html

 

[Flipmo]

1671...1396.. Bro, as the expression goes: you can show a horse where the waterhole is, but you can't make it drink the water.

This is the same thing. The truth could be slapping these ppl in the face and yet refuse to take it. Nothing you could do about it.

You know your shit, so I'm feelin what you're saying dude. I know all about media/goverment propaganda. I've taken classes and read up on it; Chomsky (which I'm sure you know about) knows his shit. Pick up his books if you haven't, you won't be dissapointed

Nice sites you've picked up though. Much respect for posting them up and for a having an open mind on the situation and not believing everything that's being fed to you by Bs mainstream media. Same as Budz, I've been seeing your posts for the last couple of months. It's good to you stay firm on your ideals.

That's all I gots to say. Just gotta keep the expression in mind, I guess.

 

[ATI_RAGE_]

there wheRe a few theorieS floating arounD about binladen being captured ect

and dick was saying that if the american people voted for kerry there would be another attack blah blah blah


however i dont see how this disproves any of the evidence in the movie

please explain

Ok weren't these theories touted as facts? Same thing with the rest of the stories on conspiracy sites.

Basically they took some indescrepencies during the first few hours where at one point they stated that a car bomb exploded at the State Department, and was later recanted.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0111/rather.html

http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/11/story23312.asp

Dan Rather.

"Let me pause and say that a car bomb has exploded outside the State Department in Washington," Rather told his audience on September 11. He repeated: "Now a car bomb has exploded outside the State Department in Washington. No further details available on that." He reported this car bomb explosion as fact at least three further times before finally adding a qualifier, referring to "a car bomb, which was reported to have exploded outside the State Department."


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Now couldn't I say that a bomb really exploded their and was covered up and that is because it injured Collin Powell and now Dick Cheney is really Collin Powell, just wearing a Collin Powell mask?

http://www.dzimmermann.com/diversions/masks.htm

The technology is their, so it can be done, hence it was. You know the government has the power to do anything so they have Cheney dressing up being like Collin Powell meanwhile he was injured in this attack.

After Collin Powell recovered he decided to be a woman so no one will know and leave public life.

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Consparicy theories are usually 1 fact or erroneous information followed by two or three other absolute BS ideas and leaps and bounds of imagination. If this story was on a website you guys followed trust me you'd all gobble it up like the shit it is.

 

[BC_BIGBUDZ420]

Ok weren't these theories touted as facts? Same thing with the rest of the stories on conspiracy sites.

Basically they took some indescrepencies during the first few hours where at one point they stated that a car bomb exploded at the State Department, and was later recanted.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0111/rather.html

http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/11/story23312.asp

Dan Rather.

"Let me pause and say that a car bomb has exploded outside the State Department in Washington," Rather told his audience on September 11. He repeated: "Now a car bomb has exploded outside the State Department in Washington. No further details available on that." He reported this car bomb explosion as fact at least three further times before finally adding a qualifier, referring to "a car bomb, which was reported to have exploded outside the State Department."


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Now couldn't I say that a bomb really exploded their and was covered up and that is because it injured Collin Powell and now Dick Cheney is really Collin Powell, just wearing a Collin Powell mask?

http://www.dzimmermann.com/diversions/masks.htm

The technology is their, so it can be done, hence it was. You know the government has the power to do anything so they have Cheney dressing up being like Collin Powell meanwhile he was injured in this attack.

After Collin Powell recovered he decided to be a woman so no one will know and leave public life.

------------------------------------------------------------------

Consparicy theories are usually 1 fact or erroneous information followed by two or three other absolute BS ideas and leaps and bounds of imagination. If this story was on a website you guys followed trust me you'd all gobble it up like the shit it is.

just because i dont believe what the government says about 911 dosent mean i believe in every conspiracy theory out there

thats like saying just because someone is black they like gangster music and they pack a gun

the governments explaination is so full of holes it would make sponge bob jealous

and like ive said time and time again who has bennifited off of 911

dick cheny, the bush family, the binladen family, the president of afgahnistan, the guy who put a down payment on the wtc buildings a couple weeks before the attack, there is now billions worth of heroin flooding the US wich the government makes money off of

there has been trillions made of the attacks, and now the US controlls 2 countries in the middle east

and now there probably going to attack iran, all they need is a pretex to gather some support



once a conspiracy theory has enough evidence to back it up it no longer is a theory, its a conspiracy

right now there is way more evidence that proves the government not only had prior knowledge, but was directly involved in the planning and funding.


in the bible it says when the devil would surface, he would only have one eye

that prophecy has come true


http://www.cuttingedge.org/All-Seeing_Eye_Unfinished_Pyramid.jpg



under the illuminati symbol on the american currency it says

"Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum" translates to "Approved Conspiracy New Worldly Order"

you hear allot of talk about the new world order but most people just think of it as a conspiracy thoery when it is completely factual


so what im getting at is there has been a plan in work every since the illuminati took controll after the second world war

we wont see the full extent of that plan for probably another 10 years

 

[Illuminattile]

"Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum" translates to "Approved Conspiracy New Worldly Order"

No it doesn't. Annuit Coeptis translates to "He [God] has approved our undertaking". All this Illuminati nonsense annoys me.

No, I haven't watched the video yet. Yes, I will.

 

[BC_BIGBUDZ420]

No it doesn't. Annuit Coeptis translates to "He [God] has approved our undertaking". All this Illuminati nonsense annoys me.

No, I haven't watched the video yet. Yes, I will.

Look at the back of the American One Dollar bill
and you will see the phrase the New World Order
in Latin "Novus Ordo Seclorum." The Latin words
"Novus Ordo Seclorum" mean essentially "New Secularist Order" or "New Worldly Order,"
hence, the phrase the New World Order. The words "Annuit Coeptis" roughly translates as
"Approved Conspiracy." The Latin word "annuit"
actually means "nodded in favor of." The Latin word "coeptis" actually means "commenced the planned work" or "began the conspired undertakings." The two words together give the meaning the "planned work that has begun is nodded to in approval" or the "conspired endeavor which just began has been favored," hence the phrase the "Approved Conspiracy."

Thereby the slogan "Annuit Coeptis, Novus Ordo Seclorum" is in fact a declaration that the "Approved Conspiracy is the New World Order."

 

[1671...1396]

No it doesn't. Annuit Coeptis translates to "He [God] has approved our undertaking". All this Illuminati nonsense annoys me.

No, I haven't watched the video yet. Yes, I will.

it also has been translated as-- (Smooth my path, condone this enterprise of bold experiment)

Both phrases on the seal are taken from Virgil's Aeneid, thus identifying the American Republic with the virtues of the ancient Roman Republic. "Annuit Coeptis" comes from Virgil's lines, "Jupiter omnipotens, audacibus annue coeptis" (All-powerful Jupiter, favor my daring undertakings). "Novus ordo Seclorum" comes from another Virgil quote, "magnus ab integro seclorum nascitur ordo" (A mighty order of ages is born anew),referring to the birth of the Roman Republic.


Our Founders did not put that occultic seal on the dollar bill with the words "annuit coeptis." That was done in 1933 by international bankers, the owners of the Federal Reserve corporation. The Federal Reserve corporation is not federal, and there are no reserves. The lies become deeper, and more interesting as one looks further into this "Federal Reserve" thing.

 

[ATI_RAGE_]

just because i dont believe what the government says about 911 dosent mean i believe in every conspiracy theory out there

Why don't you believe in this one? I have further proof that Dick Cheney might be able to impersonate Powell:

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/whitechicks/

Two black men can be made to look white, why not the other way around?

The evidence is their, we have people who have done it in movies they can apply the same techniques and make Cheney appear like Powell.

Edit: One eyed devil could it be:

MYTHOLOGY from the GREEKS?

 

[1671...1396]

Why don't you believe in this one? I have further proof that Dick Cheney might be able to impersonate Powell:

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/whitechicks/

Two black men can be made to look white, why not the other way around?

The evidence is their, we have people who have done it in movies they can apply the same techniques and make Cheney appear like Powell.

Edit: One eyed devil could it be:

MYTHOLOGY from the GREEKS?

i hope your jokeing

you cant generalize things like that,there not even close...
but good one!!