Film & TV SiCKO

[ARon]

So the movie is all over the net and is being talked about everywhere. It makes a pretty powerful point. The US healthcare system is fucked. It also shows a lot of other countries having great free healthcare. One sided of course, so are there any other good movies or books that show the other half or are other countries healthcare systems too good too be true.

Also the movie makes me want to live in France, not only for their healthcare, from what I've seen, but they have some gorgeous women.

 

[Devious]

So the movie is all over the net and is being talked about everywhere. It makes a pretty powerful point. The US healthcare system is fucked. It also shows a lot of other countries having great free healthcare. One sided of course, so are there any other good movies or books that show the other half or are other countries healthcare systems too good too be true.

Also the movie makes me want to live in France, not only for their healthcare, from what I've seen, but they have some gorgeous women.

well Michael Moore seems to be rather taken with Canada's health care system, but he paints a much rosier picture of it in his movie than he should. we have some major flaws in our system, but you wouldn't know that from watching his movie. overall tho, this seemed more like a comedy than a legit documentary, maybe he realized that no one takes his shit seriously any more. pretty decent movie tho.

i don't know about books, but just do a google on Canada's health care system and you'll discover some facts that Moore didn't tell you.

 

[PuffnScruff]

there are many things wrong with moore's movie. for one cuba has two types of hospitals, the nice clean ones for the rich and the nasty bad ones for the poor.

and like devious mentioned there is canada's universal health care which many retarded politians are want to model the u.s. health care after. but they never tell you about the canadians that live near the boarder that come down to the u.s. and pay cash to see a doctor.

i remember listening to a local radio host in orlando who talking about universal health care and had people call in. two canadians that work in florida called him up and said when they need to see a doctor they come across the boarder and pay in cash because of the flaws in canadas health care systems. the host of the show, his wife's parents are from cananda, and they do the same thing because if they need an mri they dont have to wait 6 months in the states like they would in cananda.

too many people fall for moore's b.s. of lies and deceitful tacticts in movie making. so many people fell for it with Fahrenheit 9/11 which had numerous false information in it.

i wish i could find this article that interviews a doctor in miami that is from cuba. he bashes moore's new movie for portraying cuba's healthcare for being so great when it is anything but.

 

[Devious]

there are many things wrong with moore's movie. for one cuba has two types of hospitals, the nice clean ones for the rich and the nasty bad ones for the poor.

and like devious mentioned there is canada's universal health care which many retarded politians are want to model the u.s. health care after. but they never tell you about the canadians that live near the boarder that come down to the u.s. and pay cash to see a doctor.

i remember listening to a local radio host in orlando who talking about universal health care and had people call in. two canadians that work in florida called him up and said when they need to see a doctor they come across the boarder and pay in cash because of the flaws in canadas health care systems. the host of the show, his wife's parents are from cananda, and they do the same thing because if they need an mri they dont have to wait 6 months in the states like they would in cananda.

too many people fall for moore's b.s. of lies and deceitful tacticts in movie making. so many people fell for it with Fahrenheit 9/11 which had numerous false information in it.

i wish i could find this article that interviews a doctor in miami that is from cuba. he bashes moore's new movie for portraying cuba's healthcare for being so great when it is anything but.

what's funny is that Moore did a press conference for the movie in Toronto, and the media was asking him why he makes the system look so much better than it is. he was getting all upset too, i guess he thought we'd love him for making us look so good. he even said some shit like "all my facts in the movie are correct, everything i present as factual in my movies always are." yeah right, kinda like the facts in Bowling For Columbine like the NRA rally that "happened in Columbine" but were actually clips of two separate rallies, neither of which were from the rally he was alluding to. get real buddy.:laugh:

i mean overall i'd take Canada's health system over the bullshit insurance scams (there's really nothing else to call it, the insurance companies are robbing you blind, but what else is new, right? lol) down in the US. but it is far from perfect, sometimes it's nothing but a damn joke, and not a very funny one either. not to mention the fact that a universal health care system in the US would damn near bankrupt the country. we only have maybe 40 million people in Canada, probably less, and we can barely afford it. can you imagine the cost for 300 million people to get free health care?

 

[PuffnScruff]

what's funny is that Moore did a press conference for the movie in Toronto, and the media was asking him why he makes the system look so much better than it is. he was getting all upset too, i guess he thought we'd love him for making us look so good. he even said some shit like "all my facts in the movie are correct, everything i present as factual in my movies always are." yeah right, kinda like the facts in Bowling For Columbine like the NRA rally that "happened in Columbine" but were actually clips of two separate rallies, neither of which were from the rally he was alluding to. get real buddy.:laugh:

i mean overall i'd take Canada's health system over the bullshit insurance scams (there's really nothing else to call it, the insurance companies are robbing you blind, but what else is new, right? lol) down in the US. but it is far from perfect, sometimes it's nothing but a damn joke, and not a very funny one either. not to mention the fact that a universal health care system in the US would damn near bankrupt the country. we only have maybe 40 million people in Canada, probably less, and we can barely afford it. can you imagine the cost for 300 million people to get free health care?

lol thats funny about the press conference, i haven't even heard about it. moore is one of those people that his ego is so big he can never be wrong. he could say the sky is brown or 5+5=33 and he would actually believe he is right. i wouldnt doubt if he thinks his shit smells like flowers

i agree the u.s. health care is fucked up and is no were near perfect. it needs a change but the changes certain politicians are pushing for would just hurt the country and in my opinion are just a push for socialism in the country.

 

[S. Fourteen]

Moore needs to put "Based on a True Story" at the beginning of his movies.

 

[Snowman]

yeah the US healthcare system is a joke. what could be done but never will is Doctors should only be allowed to make a certain amount of money. these operations shouldnt be so fuckin expensive. if you aint got the money an you need a heart or kidney transplant or you have a heart attack. your pretty much screwed. your family will have to make arrangements for the funeral home.

but if your an NBA player or Bill Gates you can have the best doctors. I Cant complain now.. my insurance is great at my job. i had a hurnea operation in October and that roughly is a $12 to $15,000 operation. i was thinking my insurance wasnt gonna pay for it all. but I NEVER saw a bill.

when i was 19, 20 years old i always wanted to move to Canada because of their healthcare. i was seeing for myself how bad the US healthcare is.

 

[Devious]

yeah the US healthcare system is a joke. what could be done but never will is Doctors should only be allowed to make a certain amount of money. these operations shouldnt be so fuckin expensive. if you aint got the money an you need a heart or kidney transplant or you have a heart attack. your pretty much screwed. your family will have to make arrangements for the funeral home.

you're right, here in Canada you don't need the money, but you're likely to die waiting to get an mri or some kinds of other treatments. it's happened many times already.

but if your an NBA player or Bill Gates you can have the best doctors. I Cant complain now.. my insurance is great at my job. i had a hurnea operation in October and that roughly is a $12 to $15,000 operation. i was thinking my insurance wasnt gonna pay for it all. but I NEVER saw a bill.

when i was 19, 20 years old i always wanted to move to Canada because of their healthcare. i was seeing for myself how bad the US healthcare is.

like i said, i'd take Canada's system over the US moneygrab system any day, but when it comes down to it, we're only slightly better in most cases. we have clinics that have offered to provide mri services for a fee to cut down on waiting lists, and plenty of people willing to pay, but the government shuts em down as fast as they open. they don't want a "two-tiered system" where the rich get better treatment than those not as well off. give me a break. i say if you got the cash, why shouldn't you be able to shop around for better treatment? i guess neither system seems to work very well.

 

[_carmi]

^yeah but soon we'll have a both private/public health care system. or at least i hope it's gonna happen soon. it's already starting in quebec.

 

[ARon]

See he brought up a lot of things that defute some arguements. They were very general though, like goin to a family doctor type of place and askin how long they have been waiting, longest was an hour I think, knowing getting chemo and going in for a cough or something of the sort is totally different. But what about the French and the Brits, are the waiting problems the same there, it sure did not seem like it. Plus how hard is it for the government to get more machines more doctors more staff and whatever else is needed. If your gonna go for something go all the way, not half way so you end up having the same problem you had to begin with. That arguement is pretty much useless to me, there is the simplest of fixes for it. I understand people will complain about money tax dollars and so forth but I guess I'm one of the few who would be willing to give up some of what I have knowing it went to people in need or maybe even me one day. It looked like they had that concept grasped in France, but they probably have their downfalls as well, it cant be that perfect.

Anyway I dont want to disect this movie piece by piece cus I think it does its job, wakes a lot of people up to our system that needs mass improvement.

 

[Jokerman]

Today we have some of the worst medical care in America. And part of what's wrong with Moore's movie is the solution. The solution is not Cuba. I could make a documentary that shows the other side of Cuba. Where black Cubans, because of rampant racism, don't get any health care. They get the worst jobs and their freedom of speech is suppressed. So that is not an ideal. Of all the places to go, i would not have gone there. Also, I wouldn't look at Britain or France as models because they're not. France is nearly bankrupt because of how much they've spent on social services.

Instead, I would say, what do we need to be healthy to begin with? Why are we sick? So first look at the problem. Moore is simply looking at one symptom. The symptom is 43.9 million Americans without health insurance. How about the 99 percent of Americans, like obese Moore, without an awareness of why they're going to be ill? Nor the motivation, nor the tools to stay healthy. That's the real problem. That's the big picture which few people are aware of in any country.

So let's give everyone universal insurance without any education of what caused them to be sick and then say, ok, you're all insured. Go ahead and eat like a pig, drink like a fish, and when you get completely whacked out and toxic, and your body breaks down, we'll pay for it. That's not a solution; that's just more of the problem.

Moore doesn't ask what's wrong with the system that he wants everyone insured for. Getting everyone insured into a dysfunctional and unhealthful health care system that they are co-dependent on is not the answer. It's like saying the answer to our energy problems is free oil for everyone.

A more relevant documentary would show how doctors are paid big bucks by pharmaceutical companies to give their patients toxic drugs. How the FDA is in the pocket of Big Pharma. How a doctor's whole education virtually comes from drug infomercials. How Big Pharma suppresses alternative, natural treatments. But as usual, Moore completely misses the boat with his socialist agenda.

 

[ARon]

A lot of the movie was about insured people not getting treatment. France is almost bankrupt... what are we? In the movie he also talks about them believing in preventive medicine, which is what you were also saying a bit. What does Cuba' racism have to do with that system not working here? Yes we have to look at problems other countries face who use the same thing but Cuba being racist isnt one of em. We aren't racist anymore so I would think that is irrelevant. He did show how they buy off congress and so forth, he didnt really talk about drugs that much though. But yeah I think the movie would of been a lot more accepted if he did look at some problems universal healthcare systems face.

 

[PuffnScruff]

the movie would be more accepted if moore's name wasnt attached to it. that man ruined his credibility with past movies.

 

[PuffnScruff]

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/2823.html
lol moore on cnn with his head up his own ass

i like how he says everything he said on fahrenheit was true, lol this guy is pure comedy

 

[_carmi]

fahrenheit 9/11 was still a funny movie though.

 

[Devious]

fahrenheit 9/11 was still a funny movie though.

yes, but when you call your film a documentary, there should be more truth than comedy in it. and truth and Michael Moore are apparently mortal enemies.

 

[_carmi]

^yeah but he still gives a bit of info. but like any person who makes a documentary, their opinions influence the documentary. of course moore isn't the best. but because he is popular, he can bring topics to the table.

 

[ARon]

I really dont know why people hate him as much as they do. He brings stories of poeple, facts that can be looked up, and then offers his opinion. What is wrong with some of that. He chooses what to say and leaves shit out on purpose, who doesnt do that when tryin to win an arguement or influence someone. Just seems odd to me.

 

[Devious]

I really dont know why people hate him as much as they do. He brings stories of poeple, facts that can be looked up, and then offers his opinion. What is wrong with some of that. He chooses what to say and leaves shit out on purpose, who doesnt do that when tryin to win an arguement or influence someone. Just seems odd to me.

see though, that's the problem. he passes off his movies as truthful, factual documentaries when all he is really trying to do is prove his point by any means necessary. if he wants to make movies, he can go ahead and make them, i usually enjoy his movies, this one included. but he needs to stop calling them documentaries when they are about 40% truth and 60% bullshit and opinion.

 

[ARon]

I feel what you are saying. I guess I dont take it as serious as others. I look it as more of him tryin to open some minds to something by any means neccessary, which he does very well. That's is probably a nieve look on my part cus I know damn well there are some fanatics out there who probably live off his every word, but you cant do shit about that.