Should Dictators be put to death?

[Sebastian]

I think he should be disciplined and kept in a security facility with special care. Maybe he never got the Love he wanted from his parents when he was a child and that's why he became the way that he did (not saying that it's right to treat people the way he did tho). We should all look at this with an open mind and help him instead of trying to bring back old ways of exacution.

Honestly...well, i dont know what to say......

 

[Kareem]

I'm sure everyone knows by now that Saddam is "supposed to" get hanged soon. Isn't that what started this whole thread?

Saddam getting hanged isn't fair, even for him, he doesn't deserve it. But I think we shouldn't be so lightly with him and just leave it all to Karma for his punishment since Karma does occour at strange times in ones life, it might take 10 - 20 years for his punishment.

I think he should be disciplined and kept in a security facility with special care. Maybe he never got the Love he wanted from his parents when he was a child and that's why he became the way that he did (not saying that it's right to treat people the way he did tho). We should all look at this with an open mind and help him instead of trying to bring back old ways of execution.

Funny you mentioned that maybe Saddam had a rough childhood, because I watched a biography on him a few months ago. Saddam was an unwanted child and his mother tried to kill him at one point in time. Unfortunately that puppet government an kangaroo court are gonna do what they wanna do. Mr. Hussien's life is over I think he knows that in fact he's stated he's ready to die. And Iraq will fall into more turmoil an chaos as a result of his death. Bitch an moan about the man but when he was in power there were no suicide bombings, no car bombings, there was health care, water, electricity. There was a level of order, now Shiaa, Sunni an everyone else are living in a constant fear 10x worse then when Saddam was in power.

So whats been accomplished? Not a damn thing. Bush's reckless actions have brought even more instability to an already unstable region. Al Qeida wasn't in Iraq before now they are! You've given public enemy number one a new base and a renewed strength that isn't likely to go away anytime in the near future. Congratulations Mr.Bush in time the puppet government you helped put in place will crumble and in time someone far worse then Saddam Hussien will take power. Then every soldier and Iraqi who died fighting for what they believed was right will have died in vein, all because of your greed and ignorance. So congratulations on the destruction of a countries sovereignty and giving our number one nemesis a new base to launch its bloody campaign. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

BTW whatever happened to "we will never rest until Osama Bin Laden is captured or killed"? He is or was after all according to you the master mind an financier of 9/11 right? Guess we don't need to worry about him anymore I mean after all Saddam Hussien who never once attacked us on our own soil is going to be put to death, well I'm sure gonna sleep better at night knowing that while Hussien is swinging from the gallows Mr. Bin Laden is still a free man still capable of creating yet another plan to carry out and attack the U.S. That is if Bin Laden is even still alive, maybe you merely kept his image alive to frighten the public into supporting and condoning your reckless actions.

 

[Morris]

I don't think Saddam should be put to death because I don't think the death penalty should exist. I agree with the others who say it's an easy escape, and death is better than living out one's life in solitary confinement for probably 10-20 years.

I'm sure all the victims would rather see Saddam die a cruel death (hanging is actually VERY cruel, the person usually stays alive after being dropped and suffocates, not a nice way to go) than sitting in a cell. HE GETS FREE DORITOS MAN!

That's what happens if the person is hanged improperly. When Saddam hangs, the second he drops his neck will be broken and he will die almost instantly.

Usually they'd rather die on their own terms. Look at the Nuremburg trials, how many were smiling and happy that they were going to be hanged?. Hermann Göring even committed suicide before his execution.

They were mostly upset that they were not going to be killed with military honors aka shot by a firing squad. The manner in which Goering killed himself, by swallowing poison, was more gruesome, and it took him longer to die than hanging.

Hanging was and is viewed as the most dishonorable method of being put to death. That's why Goering killed himself.

 

[The.Menace]

Yet its perfectly normal for god to tell us to stone certain people to death because they worked on the sabbath, committed adultery or are blasphemous.

"You shall stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt out of the land or slavery." —Deuteronomy (13:10)

You're quotin the old testament, Jesus told us to change a many things, for example not to live by "an eye for an eye" .... or here, Matthew Chapter 7, not to judge.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Other parts, Matthew Chapter 5

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Yes I will stop quotin now, but don't try to justify it with God, we don't want to go there, right?


I'm still against the death penalty. I don't like the idea.

 

[Glockmatic]

You're quotin the old testament, Jesus told us to change a many things, for example not to live by "an eye for an eye" .... or here, Matthew Chapter 7, not to judge.



Other parts, Matthew Chapter 5








Yes I will stop quotin now, but don't try to justify it with God, we don't want to go there, right?


I'm still against the death penalty. I don't like the idea.

So you can just pick and choose what parts of the bible you can use? If Jesus didn't want you to follow the old testament they shouldn't have added them into the bible.

That's what happens if the person is hanged improperly. When Saddam hangs, the second he drops his neck will be broken and he will die almost instantly.

They don't die instantly.

"This will result in the breakage
of several neck bones and the severing of the spinal cord
within a time period of less than a second. The executee
will immediately enter medical shock. He will probably
experience one brief instant (measured in milliseconds) of
pain before he loses all consciousness and all sensation.
His body will go limp with paralysis. He will then strangle
due to the lack of oxygen. He should be brain dead in
something more than six minutes and heart dead in about
eight. The attending medical doctor will determine heart
death."

They were mostly upset that they were not going to be killed with military honors aka shot by a firing squad.

Exactly, they want to go the way their way.

The manner in which Goering killed himself, by swallowing poison, was more gruesome, and it took him longer to die than hanging.

Hanging was and is viewed as the most dishonorable method of being put to death. That's why Goering killed himself.

Goering killed himself by cyanide, which acts quickly. If you watch the HBO special about the serial killer "IceMan" (forgot his real name) he described how he killed people by spilling some cyanide on his victims, a few seconds later they would just fall over death by heart attack. Cyanide is also used in US gas chambers, its a very quick poison.

 

[Morris]

They don't die instantly.

"This will result in the breakage of several neck bones and the severing of the spinal cord within a time period of less than a second. He will probably experience one brief instant (measured in milliseconds) of pain before he loses all consciousness and all sensation.

So he's going to suffer for a split second.

 

[ImmortalTech]

Kareems post is on point... What is killing Hussein going to do for anybody? Give justice to the people he harmed? I dont thibk so, Killing Hussein wont bring anybody back to life that died as a consequence of his actions. All it will do is make the region that they live in more unstable and as a result more innocent people dieing. But what the hell difference does that make to us right? we can all pat ourselves in the back and say we rid the world of an evil man, we can all go to bed tonight being PRETTY sure that we or our family wont be killed overnight.

I dont think killing Hussein is a solution to any of the world's problems. He's lost his freedom and his power, what more do we want from him.... and even if people think death is a just penalty for this man, this definitely is not the right time for it. The United States needs to start cleaning some of the mess they have created over their in Iraq before they can get anymore blood on their hands.

~peace

 

[The.Menace]

So you can just pick and choose what parts of the bible you can use? If Jesus didn't want you to follow the old testament they shouldn't have added them into the bible.

You make it look so simple....see, the evolution within the book is a big part of the religion and so there is a valid reason to include the old stories....

What is killing Hussein going to do for anybody? Give justice to the people he harmed? I dont think so,

yeah, that's how I feel.

 

[Khaled]

Congrats to Iran for the death of their worst ennemy.

 

[Bhuddahhoodlum]

i don't care for the politic's or the religious end of it. i believe in the death penalty as some people there is just NO TALKING to. you let them live and they will do the same thing that made them worth killing in the first place. a person can change if given a chance, but a person can also change back. Saddam spent all this time unchanged and he ain't changing back i'd reckon.

all the people he's killed, i don't even see the reason for a "trial". SOS should have been in full effect for his ass. we got criminals on this side of the sea that don't even get to have handcuffs thrown on them before their put to death. so why the fuck Saddam getting special treatment? kick the chair and hang the bitch high i say.

 

[ImmortalTech]

^^^ I dont think anybody in their right mind was saying Saddam has a chance at rehabilitating and entering back into society. I think the arguement was whether its better to keep him in jail where he lives his life behind bars with no special reatment, or to rid him of this life and let God be the judge... and well if you dont believe in God then, you just free'd a man for all the crimes he's committed... but thats a whoolle different issue.

we got criminals on this side of the sea that don't even get to have handcuffs thrown on them before their put to death.

So do they on the otherside of the sea... and we also have innocent souls that are being put to death at the hands of barbarians on both sides of the sea. I dont see what that comment had anything to do with ur arguement.

so why the fuck Saddam getting special treatment? kick the chair and hang the bitch high i say.

I also think Hussein deserves to be punished, but you know what, the people that helped him get as far as he got deserved to be punished twice as bad... but ofcourse we're never going to see that happen.

... Anyways whatever man, I just pray this sit doesnt make situations worst in Iraq and the Middle East. We all just talk our shit on the internet and throw around our opinions and still go to sleep comfortably. While the people 'on that side of the sea' have to deal with alotta mess that 'people on this side of the sea' helped create.

 

[Duke]

I haven''t read the whole thread, and I''m not going to, but I''d like to just make my stance on this clear:

Even though there is a good case for bringing a person like Saddam to death, I feel that in doing so one casts their own principles aside. Like Sofi said, it's an other way of eye for an eye. I can't explain it clearly however there''s this gnawing feeling that it's wrong to do upon Saddam what he did upon others and gets judged for. Let him rot in a cell.


Good thread, my little horny Serb. Hope to talk to ya again soon, still have no internet as of yet.

 

[7 Syns]

No they shouldn't. That's what maximum jails are for.

peace

 

[not really ken]

No they shouldn't. That's what maximum jails are for.

peace

This thread is stupid, like Saddam being captured adn killed was a good thing. This reminds me of when the Taliban were ousted and the 'saviours' of Afghanistan were put in power, the Northern Alliance. They were twice as ruthless as the Taliban and shit was just as bad.

IN the video of the hanging all the people around are shouting Moqtada-al-sadr. WHY? These are supposed to be government officials, why are they supporting a fucker who isn't interested in democracy, but wants power for himself. All these new leaders have got very strong ties to Iran. That's greeeeeeat. OIL for the Iranians!!! For there new nuclear, weapons program. :thumb: You think the shi'ites are going to give away the wealth under their country to the Americans.

The people Saddam killed were his countries terrorists. He defended Iraq against insurgents trying to topple him. ON hindsight, Iraq needed Saddam. Now, there's just anarchy and rule by Iranians. Americans have put the Iranians in power and control. Fucking great! Insted of shi'te insurgents we got sunni insurgents. What exactly has changed for the better?

 

[not really ken]

Watching that video on the net, just shows me the sickening nature of the people who are incharge now. The sickeneing taunts to the man go to show that the people in-charge now are no better than Saddam himself. Don't be fooled into thinking they are!

Now that this fiasco of a trial is over the timetable of which has conincided with the US political timetable and major milestones of their administration, I am looking forward to the much more interesting spectacle of the Bush.Blair trial for illegally invading a country against UN wishes and the murder of hundereds of thousands of innocent civillians.

I am disgusted that Saddam Hussein himself showed more dignity in his final moments than those who are incharge of Iraq now and the of US and UK governements and the meida that went with this circus baying for blood and NOT justice.

 

[Duke]

Watching that video on the net, just shows me the sickening nature of the people who are incharge now. The sickeneing taunts to the man go to show that the people in-charge now are no better than Saddam himself. Don't be fooled into thinking they are!

Boh, when it's a man that held the country in an iron grip for decades and terrorized every fucking citizen, I'd say it's understandable that some people were happy he swung from the gallows. It's not like Saddam was a petty criminal. He was a mass murderer.

 

[Glockmatic]

The people Saddam killed were his countries terrorists. He defended Iraq against insurgents trying to topple him. ON hindsight, Iraq needed Saddam. Now, there's just anarchy and rule by Iranians. Americans have put the Iranians in power and control. Fucking great! Insted of shi'te insurgents we got sunni insurgents. What exactly has changed for the better?

I'm sure the East germans said that about Hitler, he built their economy and fought communists! Then they were controlled by the communists, which Britain and US allowed. So in hindsight, Germany needed Hitler.

 

[S O F I]

Good thread, my little horny Serb. Hope to talk to ya again soon, still have no internet as of yet.

Yeah, man, I haven't seen you on MSN in a long time. Get that internet back up. Stop smoking all your money away.

 

[Eric]

I'm not even going to read anyone's opinion on this because when it comes down to it, it all depends on the person. No one's going to agree capital punishment, ever. There's no 'norm' for it in society, regardless of what laws may say of it. I don't think there's an overwhelming majority that feels one way or another on it. Sometimes even in my own head I've over the years I've gone back and forth on the issue. I think that for anyone who is for capital punishment they see it in a self-gratifying way seeking revenge. That's how I've often viewed it and it doesn't make me, or anyone for it, a better person. And revenge is not a reason to wish death upon someone.

I've often found people taking 3 different sides on the issue: against it, for it, and for it only with evil dictators. I was a person against it, but I only deemed it neccessary in the harshest of circumstances, but a muslim person someone I looked up to once said if you're against it in one circumstance, your against it in all circumstances. Whether or not that's an idea to live by for society as a whole, I don't care, I find it to be the right way to feel about it for myself.

My 11th grade teacher once said about Bin Laden after 9/11 that we shouldn't kill him. We should just put him in a cell with the pictures of all of his victims. Does that sound corny? Perhaps. But I find that overtime to be more torture than death.