RIP Hip-hop - interesting article.

Casey

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#1
SOURCE - http://www.highergroundonline.com/op-ed/let_it_go.htm

Oh, Teddy P! Why oh why has she forsaken me?! With all of my heart and soul, “I Used To Love H.E.R.” However, I do not think that I can stand the heartbreak any longer. It is becoming too painful to bear.



I watched the film “The Basketball Diaries” for the first time a few days ago. Based on the true-life story of poet/diarist/performer Jim Carroll, Leonardo DiCaprio portrays and immensely talented and gifted individual with unlimited potential, who falls victim to drug addiction leading him to everything from violent crime and robbery to prostitution in order to support his habit. It is a truly disturbing, yet poignant look at the dark side of addiction and how easily potential can be wasted if not channeled in a positive direction.



There is a particular scene that pretty much sums up the way I have been feeling lately, and I believe the sentiment is shared by many others. In the scene, Carroll is basically rock-bottom status with his addiction. He returns to the door of his mother’s apartment, a place where he had been banished from, to beg a woman (played by Lorraine Bracco), whom he had put through hell for money to feed his habit. He bangs on the door, begs and pleads in his whiny little boy voice, only to curse and disrespect his mother in the next breath. He begs for her to open the door and to allow him come inside. Wisely, she keeps the chain on the door. When she finally tells him she can not help him anymore and closes the door completely, Carroll lays into a curse-ridden diatribe that would break even the strongest person’s heart. She realizes what she has to do, calls the police on her own son, and breaks down crying with a $10 bill in her hand, which she was on the verge of giving him despite everything that had gone on.



Unfortunately, this is what hip-hop music has become to me…a drug-addicted, crime-ridden, misogynistic and disrespectful loved-one. It is something that was once so near and dear to my heart, but is now a shell of its former self, to the point that I no longer recognize it. She is now at “Gator” status. You remember Sam Jack’s endearing crackhead portrayal in “Jungle Fever”, right? Well just like Ruby Dee in the film, I’ve grown tired and am no longer entertained by the “shukin’ and jivin’”, and I am ready to pull the trigger and end the whole damn thing.



It is truly a shame what has become of her. The lifestyle she’s led for the past decade plus has brought about a steady decline and deterioration of her character, image, creativity and coherence. She has become too violent and sexually explicit to be around children…even the “clean” versions of her. Her promotion drug use and sale has left everyone in her wake in a narcotic-induced “haze”, to the point where heinous crimes seem commonplace, sometimes humorous, clever, and even in some cases, necessary. She has made heroes and role models out of people who were once the dregs of society.



So my question is, WHEN IS ENOUGH…ENOUGH????



Seriously, when I turn on my television or on the rare occasion that I attempt to listen to the radio, it is damn near appalling what my eyes and ears are greeted with. Think about some of the music in heavy rotation all day every day throughout the country:



Shawna “Getting Some (Head)” – a song about…well…



Busta Rhymes “Touch It” – touch what?



Cam’ron “Suck It or Not” – well, IS you?



Bubba Sparxx “Ms. New Booty” – “booty, booty, booty, booty, rockin everywhere!” said the 5 year old boy…



Juvenile “Rodeo” – “this not the right spot to let ya daughters visit”



Rick Ross “Hustlin”, Lil Wayne “Hustler Musik/Mind on My Money” – calling it “hustling” doesn’t change the action



Three 6 Mafia “Poppin My Collar” – and of course “workin these hoes”



I mean, “I can go on for days and days with rhyme displays that engrave deep as X-rays”…



See, THAT last line that has been engrained in my subconcious to be recounted at the precisely apporopriate moment...that line right there is what I miss most about Hip-Hop music. That butterfly in my stomach feeling she used to give me when I’d first hear an incredible line or verse or song. That hit me in my chest/blow to the head that came about when something fresh and new was first debuted. Every once in a while, it seems like she might get herself together for real. Kanye sells a few million. Common gets some heavy rotation. Little Brother gets signed to a major after years of toil doing the indie thing. But that small glimmer of hope is quickly dashed as one struggles to find “Lovin It” on MTV Jams (if you don’t have digital cable…oh well) and the video for The Musicianz (irony at it’s finest) song “Shake Something for the Camera Phone” debuts on 106 & Park and begins it’s 3 month reign in the countdown. She’s back on that stuff, again.



I for one am tired of it and I have lost faith in her ever recovering. I think it is time that we as a collective swallow the hard, honest truth.



Calling up DJ Premier, Pete Rock, Marley Marl, Paul C, The Bomb Squad, Showbiz, Diamond D, Buckwild, Large Professor, etc., isn’t going solve anything for any of our “legends.” That sound is no longer relevant to the masses and it never will be. Boom Bap in a commercially viable sense is dead.






Rakim is not going to come back and save Hip-Hop, no matter who makes his tracks. Neither is KRS-One. Ever. The most we can hope for is that they do take heed to #1 so that we fans can have our perverse fascinations satisfied. Chances are after all these years though, whatever would come of those projects would be a letdown.







There is no comparison between Rakim, KRS, Kool G. Rap, Kane, MC Lyte, Slick Rick and early LL with the stars of today like Jay-Z, Nas, 50, Snoop, T.I., Lil Wayne, Cam'ron and even the late greats Biggie and Pac. Those pioneers were our icons. There is no way to accurately convey what happened in the past that would allow someone of this generation to completely understand and give proper respect and admiration to those individuals and the music that they created at the time it was created.






The Early 90’s “golden age” era hip hop is never coming back. Though folks like De La Soul, The Roots, Mos Def and Talib Kweli, Common, Slum Village and MF DOOM are making a valiant effort to keep it alive, in addition to cats like Tanya Morgan, Little Brother, Strange Fruit Project, Binkis and Lupe Fiasco picking up the torch, it is not returning to the forefront as the “mainstream” sound that dominates the airwaves and media outlets.







This is no longer “our” music. Not only are we getting older and losing touch with what young people find entertaining…not only has Hip-Hop gone the way of Jazz, Blues and Rock & Roll before it, being adulterated and exploited by corporate entities…and not only has our “underground” counter-culture become mainstream pop culture, but this has all occurred during a complete upheaval of the business of music as we know it due to technology. There are no more crates, vinyl and pause tapes recorded from the radio. We now have mp3s, file sharing and blogs that put just about any song heard anywhere in the world at one’s fingertips within seconds. And that has a lot to do with the type of music we have now…it is immediate and DISPOSABLE.





I know it will be hard to let go. Hell, it was hard for me to write about. But it’s real, and there is really nothing I can do for her at this point. I am washing my hands of her. I can no longer contribute to her demise. I am Jim Carroll’s mother closing the door on her drug addicted son. But on those rare occasions where she cleans up her act, I’ve got $10 in my hand ready to support her.
 
#2
Good article militant.. Yea, I agree with the author.. 95% of hiphop sucks now.. Which is why I barely even like any new music or artists except for maybe a handfull.. That article made me think though..

In the past decade, hiphop hasnt really made any big steps forward... for example, if you put on a rap record on from '86, and compare it with a record from '96, it sounds sooooooo much different in that 10 year span.. Now put on a album made from this year and compare it to the one from '96 .. It almost sounds like the same shit! Yea, the tracks got some more bells and whistles and whatever but MOST of it is the same stuff just repackaged..

I can name like 10-15 classic albums from '86-'96, but i dont think i could name more then 3-4 in the past 10 years imo...
 
#3
Absolute bullshit. To those that think hip hop is dead in 2006 I recommend:

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#4
To those that want to reply with a sarcastic response trying to be funny to what could be a good tread, i recommend this site..

www.STFU.com

In their you'll find great detailed info about.... yea, the title says it all..
 
#5
i agree with the article, i really hate hio-hop now
Turing on the radio makes me angry, 45 seconds of BET videos makes me sick to my stomach, the thought of 106 & Park makes me want to kill any child born after 1989
 

Casey

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Staff member
#6
Fataldawg said:
To those that want to reply with a sarcastic response trying to be funny to what could be a good tread, i recommend this site..

www.STFU.com

In their you'll find great detailed info about.... yea, the title says it all..


Haha, nice reponse Fatal.
 

Dante

Meyer & Dante Best Friends4eva
#7
i agree wholeheartedly.

those who don't agree weren't there with hip hop as it was beginning, this much i am sure. hip hop used to be about something. it started as the first and often last voice for an entire subset of people who were largely ignored. hip hop had bite, it had venom, and it had direction. i remember when an album would have two guest appearances, and based on the merit of them you'd go out and buy the guest's albums and NOT BE DISAPPOINTED. amazing, huh?

hip hop to me is on its last leg. songs that are about consumption or sex have their time and their place, but an entire album of this nonsense sends the wrong messages and unfortunately these messages are often heard the loudest. i wish that krs, chuck, cube, brother j, kane, or rick could bring us back a full 180 to where it all began, but this is impossible. the younger generation largely interprets hip hop as this booty shit, and they generally have little or no time for music that takes chances or uses consciousness.

once i saw hip hop stop being mocked on tv (ricky schroeder in silver spoons dressed like a b-boy is still painfully etched in my memory) and started being used to peddle products in commercials, i knew the end was upon us. what better way to dillute the voice of a revolution than to twist it into consumerism and empty thought?

i've been saying it for years and i hope it comes to fruition - but i hope hip hop dies. grunge, emo, whatever needs to step up and become the next big thing again - DO IT. please. make these artists who have nothing positive to add to the culture fall by the wayside, and let's rebuild again with focus. in the late 80's on tuesday there were 3-4 new hip hop releases. today there are 20. everyone thinks they can rap, and they all get deals.

kobe, give your mic back to diamond d.
 
#8
Damn Dante.. good post..

I agree with you 100% on what you said.. Especially the last part about hiphop being so "saturated" with all these semi-talented artists that get major deals... Everytime I go to Coconuts or Sam Goody and look thru the rap section, I'm sick of going thru all these cds by guys named "Big Pete" and "Baller Chris" that bring nothing new to the table..
 

Chronic

Well-Known Member
#9
Dante said:
i agree wholeheartedly.

those who don't agree weren't there with hip hop as it was beginning, this much i am sure. hip hop used to be about something. it started as the first and often last voice for an entire subset of people who were largely ignored. hip hop had bite, it had venom, and it had direction. i remember when an album would have two guest appearances, and based on the merit of them you'd go out and buy the guest's albums and NOT BE DISAPPOINTED. amazing, huh?

hip hop to me is on its last leg. songs that are about consumption or sex have their time and their place, but an entire album of this nonsense sends the wrong messages and unfortunately these messages are often heard the loudest. i wish that krs, chuck, cube, brother j, kane, or rick could bring us back a full 180 to where it all began, but this is impossible. the younger generation largely interprets hip hop as this booty shit, and they generally have little or no time for music that takes chances or uses consciousness.

once i saw hip hop stop being mocked on tv (ricky schroeder in silver spoons dressed like a b-boy is still painfully etched in my memory) and started being used to peddle products in commercials, i knew the end was upon us. what better way to dillute the voice of a revolution than to twist it into consumerism and empty thought?

i've been saying it for years and i hope it comes to fruition - but i hope hip hop dies. grunge, emo, whatever needs to step up and become the next big thing again - DO IT. please. make these artists who have nothing positive to add to the culture fall by the wayside, and let's rebuild again with focus. in the late 80's on tuesday there were 3-4 new hip hop releases. today there are 20. everyone thinks they can rap, and they all get deals.

kobe, give your mic back to diamond d.
Agreed but a lot of people who are going to agree with this article are talking about rap music and that shit is far from dead.
You have people on this board who complain that rap sucks nowadays but I guarantee they haven't heard even 10% of the albums I have heard or they're too stuck up.
 
#10
To be honest I agree also.

Havent listened to any hip hop in over a year now, I bought Common's new album which was preety good. But the overplayed overhyped drivvel coming out int the charts are preety appauling.

I mean some artists dont even seen to try anymore, i saw the new maria carey video the other day, i think it was that. And snoops verse was bland, with the same D-O-Double G line in it, which he must have used almost a million times now.

Unless your ready to dig into the underground its hard to find a decent hip hop album.
 

roaches

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#11
This isn't interesting at all, it's the same crap people have been crying about since before 1994. I'll be back later with a more thorough response.
 
#12
To even insinuate hip hop is dead in 2006 with the wealth of excellent releases we have already seen this year is laughable. Sure, everyone wishes Rakim would drop that one last elusive classic, a large proportion of people are antagonised with rappers they view as glorifying gangsterism whilst simultaneously compromising mic skills and the tomb worshippers predictably want to resurrect 2Pac / Biggie etc...but this does not negate the fact that in the last ten years hip hop as a genre has undergone a great deal of progression.

Entire opinions appear to be derived from an imprudent observation of what is listened to on the radio / watched on television with an obvious ignorance to anything else. Moreover people have been perpetuating the same tiresome and abhorrent views about hip hop since before Illmatic dropped....not only is it misguided but quite frankly it's tedious.
 

Dante

Meyer & Dante Best Friends4eva
#13
underground hip hop is hardly a barometer for the state of hip hop, buddy.

the hip hop that is on tv and radio is the hip hop that gets financial backing and therefore represents the culture in the most external sense. an underground artist might have the dopest garage album known to man, but unless someone is connected to the internet they'll likely never hear the person's record.

the whole point that you so obviously missed is that if commercial hip hop would cease being such a whore for commercialism then it would once again rely upon its underground spine to stand up straight. if you knew anything about hip hop you'd know how it began and more importantly, WHY it began. it's not about the sickest flows or who has the most abstract metaphor (which far too many "underground" rappers seem obsessed with).
 

Kareem

Active Member
#15
couldnt agree more with the article good read, I been feeling the same way for years. 10 years ago there were a slew of mc's who acctually had a message now the games been watered down by garbage such as Shawna sending the message of "if ya man wont go down on you go find you a man that will" yeah great message ta send to our daughters slut, an no she's not the only one theres a slew of male mc's saying the same crap. Im surprised ta see how many people have responded that they feel the same way, in the past myself or other poster would say the same thing, hip hop is dead or on its death bed an the following posts would be nothing but how we are wrong, its sad, I still love this music and culture but in truth it is dying.
 
#16
people need to stop criticizing hip-hop as this one entity that is failing. hip-hop has many different and distinct sections and facets, therefore cannot be judged as a whole. some artists are making good music right now, although most aren't. but it's all a cycle. sooner or later we will have an explosion of great material because its been building up. its like pressure under the surface getting ready to pop. sooner or later these artists are going to be forced to make good music, and new artists will be held to a higher standard........... at least that's what i keep telling myself.
 
#17
Dante said:
underground hip hop is hardly a barometer for the state of hip hop, buddy.

the hip hop that is on tv and radio is the hip hop that gets financial backing and therefore represents the culture in the most external sense. an underground artist might have the dopest garage album known to man, but unless someone is connected to the internet they'll likely never hear the person's record.

the whole point that you so obviously missed is that if commercial hip hop would cease being such a whore for commercialism then it would once again rely upon its underground spine to stand up straight. if you knew anything about hip hop you'd know how it began and more importantly, WHY it began. it's not about the sickest flows or who has the most abstract metaphor (which far too many "underground" rappers seem obsessed with).

While this is true, you have to ask yourself who's fault it is. It is a given, all the record labels are going to jump on a band wagon. If someone sells 8 million records talking about selling drugs, killing people, having sex with as many women as possible, and how much money they have, then why wouldn't a record label try to find another person who can talk about the same thing and sell quite a few records. Record labels are all about business and making money. Granted, a record label could take a chance and push for an artist that isn't all about the "money, hoes and clothes" aspect of hip hop, but if that said artist doesn't end up selling then the record label stands to lose possibly millions of dollars. A lot of what we hear on the radio and on TV is partially because people buy it. I think what we have to do is instead of all these underground hip hop heads trying to keep their favorite artist a secret, is let all your friends hear it. Hell, push it on them like it's crack. That way they can know what good hip hop really is. It's like Mos said on the intro to Black on Both Sides, hip hop is about what the people are about. If hip hop is on some murder, money and shake your ass stuff, then that is what people will buy. All in all, it is up to us as a people to take hip hop back to where we think it should be, because it's not like the artists aren't there to make the quality music.
 

roaches

Well-Known Member
#18
Oh, Teddy P! Why oh why has she forsaken me?! With all of my heart and soul, “I Used To Love H.E.R.” However, I do not think that I can stand the heartbreak any longer. It is becoming too painful to bear.
I'd just like to point out that this article, complaining about the state of hip-hop, is starting out by referencing a song, complaining about the state of hip-hop, that came out in 1994, which is now considered one of the best years for hip-hop.

Unfortunately, this is what hip-hop music has become to me…a drug-addicted, crime-ridden, misogynistic and disrespectful loved-one.
So what exactly was hip-hop before? Why did Coke la Rock call himself Coke la Rock, again? Why did Melle Mel write "White Lines"? What were all those Roxanne records about? What was so respectful about Too $hort, Ice-T, Schooly D, and Kool G Rap?

Shawna “Getting Some (Head)” – a song about…well…
Busta Rhymes “Touch It” – touch what?
Cam’ron “Suck It or Not” – well, IS you?
Bubba Sparxx “Ms. New Booty” – “booty, booty, booty, booty, rockin everywhere!” said the 5 year old boy…
This guy's a fucking prude. Militant, you're a fan of Prince, of all people, and you're cosigning this repressed dude's rant?

Juvenile “Rodeo” – “this not the right spot to let ya daughters visit”
"You're all beautiful women"

I don't know how he could complain about this song of all things, especially after looking at the video, which is a much more humanizing look at strippers than, say, a golden age classic like Masta Ace's "Born to Roll"'s video.

Every once in a while, it seems like she might get herself together for real. Kanye sells a few million. Common gets some heavy rotation. Little Brother gets signed to a major after years of toil doing the indie thing.
OH, this is what it's all about. This guy's just mad because the Native Tongues aren't as popular as they used to be. Wait, they never were that popular.

Wait, what exactly makes Kanye's misogynistic rant about gold diggers better than Shawna paying tribute to an old school pioneer? And is Common's racism and making "righteous bitches get low" really better than songs about sex?

Calling up DJ Premier, Pete Rock, Marley Marl, Paul C, The Bomb Squad, Showbiz, Diamond D, Buckwild, Large Professor, etc., isn’t going solve anything for any of our “legends.” That sound is no longer relevant to the masses and it never will be. Boom Bap in a commercially viable sense is dead.
Have y'all heard those Buckwild joints with Disturbing tha Peace? "U Can Believe it" with Playaz Circle and Ludacris is my jam right now.

Anyway, I thought this article was about how horrifyingly depraved the content of hip-hop is these days. I'm glad that I was wrong, and this guy's just mad because he's not feeling the beats anymore!

Rakim is not going to come back and save Hip-Hop, no matter who makes his tracks. Neither is KRS-One. Ever. The most we can hope for is that they do take heed to #1 so that we fans can have our perverse fascinations satisfied. Chances are after all these years though, whatever would come of those projects would be a letdown.
No fucking shit.

There is no comparison between Rakim, KRS, Kool G. Rap, Kane, MC Lyte, Slick Rick and early LL with the stars of today like Jay-Z, Nas, 50, Snoop, T.I., Lil Wayne, Cam'ron and even the late greats Biggie and Pac. Those pioneers were our icons. There is no way to accurately convey what happened in the past that would allow someone of this generation to completely understand and give proper respect and admiration to those individuals and the music that they created at the time it was created.
"Back in my day, the rappers could RAP!" This article is starting to sound really unfocused to me.

The Early 90’s “golden age” era hip hop is never coming back. Though folks like De La Soul, The Roots, Mos Def and Talib Kweli, Common, Slum Village and MF DOOM are making a valiant effort to keep it alive, in addition to cats like Tanya Morgan, Little Brother, Strange Fruit Project, Binkis and Lupe Fiasco picking up the torch, it is not returning to the forefront as the “mainstream” sound that dominates the airwaves and media outlets.
I, too, miss that golden age where violent trash like Dr. Dre's The Chronic wasn't popular at all.

This is no longer “our” music. Not only are we getting older and losing touch with what young people find entertaining…not only has Hip-Hop gone the way of Jazz, Blues and Rock & Roll before it... this has all occurred during a complete upheaval of the business of music as we know it due to technology.
Napster killed hip-hop. Wait, what is this shit about again?

There are no more crates, vinyl and pause tapes recorded from the radio. We now have mp3s, file sharing and blogs that put just about any song heard anywhere in the world at one’s fingertips within seconds. And that has a lot to do with the type of music we have now…it is immediate and DISPOSABLE.
Elitist.

So, what exactly is this guy saying?
1. I don't like rap about sex, bitches, and drugs.
2. Things would be better if more A Tribe Called Quest ripoffs were popular, even though they were never as popular as this guy thinks they were.
3. Rappers back then are better than rappers now, I can't articulate why they are, but they just were, take my word for it, dude.
4. Hip-hop sucks because it's more accessible now.

This article is full of shit. It's just some dude aimlessly waxing nostalgic while bitching in a very unfocused way. No reasonable person could agree with his point, because he doesn't have a fucking point. Anything close to a point that he has is based on revisionist history. Even discussing this article is retarded and I'm so angry that I wasted the time to read it that I'm not even going to bother trying to clean up my reply and make it more coherent, because that would be putting in more effort than the original author put into writing his rant.
 
#19
roaches said:
This isn't interesting at all, it's the same crap people have been crying about since before 1994. I'll be back later with a more thorough response.
Yes i agree. this is JUST ANOTHER article written by someone who mourns for a music he grew out of. Its clear from his idols and references that hes older and comes from a completely different era of hiphop. And not just a child in the 80's who heard hiphop but was too young to live it..this guy probably lived it meaning hes older than anyone here.

Everyone who feels older longs for the good old days..but to be honest, those days are gone. I admit hiphop bores me as of now..but im still able to feel it when something comes around to spark my interest. im still young enough to get down with it and not cry about the deathrow days and the biggie days when i loved hiphop and actually bought albums to listen to them in their entirety. Its all about maturing man..eventually the sound comes to sound montonous. this guy is just sugar coating what hes really feelin by pretending its hiphop thats changed so drastically, when in reality its him.
 

roaches

Well-Known Member
#20
Its clear from his idols and references that hes older and comes from a completely different era of hiphop. And not just a child in the 80's who heard hiphop but was too young to live it..this guy probably lived it meaning hes older than anyone here.
If he was really a head and was in it as long as you think he was, he wouldn't have such a distorted view of hip-hop.
 

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