question on sampling

[jewfro18]

personally, im working with reason 3.0 and a simple usb keyboard along with a few other programs that just give me some other sounds...however, i been reading interviews with all these big time producers like alchemist and whoever and it seems like every damn one of them SAMPLES...i dont even know what it is exactly i just see them talking about diggin for records and shit and also copyrighting what they sample...if anyone has some more info on this i appreciate it...thanxz in advance

 

[denby]

sampling drums and shit from other tracks.

jacking the synth from a track.

or recreating something that sounds exactly like it..eg the keys in how we do

 

[PuffnScruff]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(music)

 

[jewfro18]

aight thanxz a lot...still tho, let's say i take just the sounds of a cymbal crash or something from an album, i gotta go through all this legal shit so i just dont get screwed for using it?...and also, are there any producers that dont really sample and still put good shit out?thanxz for any feedback.

 

[PuffnScruff]

there are plenty of producers that do not sample and put out great music. not sampling was a big thing in the later 90s. the neptunes are big on not sampling and make all their music and sound themselves with live instruments and effects.

do you have to go through all the legal shit of getting the clearance from the publishers? depends. if you are just sampling a portion of the song and are only going to play it for your friends then no, because whats the point of paying thousands of dollars just to impress your friends. if you plan on making money on it, then you should because you could be sued, but there are plenty of samples that go under the radar so too speak, sometimes depends on how big your song gets and who listens to it.

as far as taking just a crash or snare, there is really no point in taking the legal route of getting the samples cleared because usualy it is undectable and hard to distinc what song the sound came from. but if the artist you sampled has a distinctive sound they may notice it and they can sue you, which has been done before. there was a case with phil colins were he sued someone for sampling his snare in the song in the air tonight with out his permission.

 

[Diaz]

There are some songs that have drums that have been sampled a lot and wouldn't be smart to sample without getting it cleared, such as Funky Drummer, Impeach The President, Synthetic Substitution, etc.

 

[jewfro18]

aight thanxz a lot for the feedbak i appreciate it

 

[Lakai]

There are some songs that have drums that have been sampled a lot and wouldn't be smart to sample without getting it cleared, such as Funky Drummer, Impeach The President, Synthetic Substitution, etc.

but why would you do that? the whole art of sampling is finding something that you've dug up from records (or downloading, i hear lots of people doin that these days) and making your own sound out of it

people on indie labels rarely ever clear samples

if you dig deep enough you dont ever have to worry about clearing, find that shit that no ones ever heard, like underground labels that put out that ILL funk/soul sound back in the day that don't even come close to existing anymore... The deeper you dig the better your collection will be (unique sound instead of hearin the same blue note break over and over again)

sampling doesnt make a bad artist good, but it makes a good artist better

 

[Hymnz]

a couple of lines to go against what Lakai said (no offense...)

* a good artist could take any beat and make it good. sampling doesnt make the artist better...
* indie labels, and all within, suck. they do not make any money, and with circulation what it is, who would care if they cleared or not?
* the most unique sound is gotten through your own creativity. your own hard work in making sure you are doing everything possible to be the best you can be. sure, sampling can spark creativity, but in a production sense, learning not to rely on sampling will be better for your future interests if you aspire to be a beatmaker or producer.

 

[Lakai]

a couple of lines to go against what Lakai said (no offense...)

* a good artist could take any beat and make it good. sampling doesnt make the artist better...
* indie labels, and all within, suck. they do not make any money, and with circulation what it is, who would care if they cleared or not?
* the most unique sound is gotten through your own creativity. your own hard work in making sure you are doing everything possible to be the best you can be. sure, sampling can spark creativity, but in a production sense, learning not to rely on sampling will be better for your future interests if you aspire to be a beatmaker or producer.

I hear what you're saying... but indie labels are shit? All you're favorite artists were (or maybe still are) on an indie label on one time or another most likely. Indie doesn't mean out of your garage... just look at stones throw. Blue Note of today, nearly everything they put out is top notch

just look at the line up
www.stonesthrow.com

its not 'indie labels' that are shit, its the artists, man. You gotta feed through the bullshit, and with major recording artists you gotta feed through even more bullshit (unless you or others like bullshit?)

I hear ya though

 

[Bhuddahhoodlum]

my own rant to add, unless you know the different notes of different instruments like the back of your hand, you're not gonna be that original. unless you have a particular instrument and make the sound you want yourself or pay someone to do it for you, your not gonna be that original.

reason is nothing more than a bunch of sampled instruments at whatever note. so that's basically a form of sampling right there. but this kind of sampling you can get away with i'd imagine. but this is also a good thing because these are instruments. fucking with an instruments notes, pitch, length, delay, and whatever else can easily give you a sound you've never heard. or an inspired sound from another song.

the other kind of sampling, the kind thats hip right now, is basically what guys like Kanye, Dr. Dre, Mannie Fresh, and DJ Uneek (my favorite of the category) do. and thats just a few mind you. taking old school song, maybe 4 or 5 seconds of it, and putting some drums or whatever to it. some of the ol' school cats don't appreciate it and might throw a fit. some see as a compliment. it's a toss. so make it legal when ya do it.

the other kind is just snatching a drum, snare, hi hat or whatever single sound from a song. like mentioned before it's rare that these are recognized as there so general and easy to tweak.

i will say that there's nothing more satisfying than coming as original as you can. but some older songs do sound tighter than anything present given a few claps and bricks.

long i know, but something else to put on your mind.

 

[Hymnz]

I hear what you're saying... but indie labels are shit? All you're favorite artists were (or maybe still are) on an indie label on one time or another most likely. Indie doesn't mean out of your garage... just look at stones throw. Blue Note of today, nearly everything they put out is top notch

just look at the line up
www.stonesthrow.com

its not 'indie labels' that are shit, its the artists, man. You gotta feed through the bullshit, and with major recording artists you gotta feed through even more bullshit (unless you or others like bullshit?)

I hear ya though

yeeeehhh i went too far with my generalization of indie stuff...

and for sure, everyone starts indie. i mean, crawl before you walk, you know?

 

[jewfro18]

aight so lets say i get some old album from like steeley dan or some other old guy and i like the piano they got in that...how do i get just htat piano and put it in as a sample...i hear people using turntables and ive heard Acid mentioned and some other programs...thanxz for the help i appreciate it

 

[Hymnz]

you can isolate it, but it is very hard. top producers will just re-do that piano line, because sampling the audio will not just extract the piano, but other instruments and drums that have certain frequencies in the same band as the piano. so just analyse the keys and go from there...