I'm in the same boat as Thuggy. I can recognize Tyler's talent but I can't get into bumping him because the content tires me fast. I'm willing to admit that I prefer listening to rappers talk about pushing keys throughout the whole song without ever having done so over listening to Tyler rap about whatever. If we're going to go by the "proper system with the bass bumping", I have many other people to go to for that. For example, any Lex Luger-produced joint and mixtape.