Prop 8 / Gay Marriage Ban
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i guess this debate can be stripped down to whether homosexuality is normal...
looking at the definition of normal, it seems that it can be broken down into two main parts... natural and conforming to the average intelligence or development...
now, the nature of homosexuality can be argued... is attraction a human structure or a work of nature? or both?
is homosexuality conforming to the average development of a human? no. and this is where some of you may argue the definition of normal seeing that it's not society's decision to make what is average and what is not...
so is homosexuality normal? is a serial killer normal? is retardation normal?
thats why i totally disagree that natural = normal
but it's also the reason why i don't hate homos or fags... it's not their fault...
looking at the definition of normal, it seems that it can be broken down into two main parts... natural and conforming to the average intelligence or development...
now, the nature of homosexuality can be argued... is attraction a human structure or a work of nature? or both?
is homosexuality conforming to the average development of a human? no. and this is where some of you may argue the definition of normal seeing that it's not society's decision to make what is average and what is not...
so is homosexuality normal? is a serial killer normal? is retardation normal?
thats why i totally disagree that natural = normal
but it's also the reason why i don't hate homos or fags... it's not their fault...
lmao, what? Yeah, give em gay marriage and next you know, these buttfucking mice want to run around and steal tv's legally, murder and kill, be allowed to legally rape any man that they take a fancy to and they will hold mandatory AIDS parties every friday night, right?
Goddumn faggets! Give them a cookie, and the next thing you know you're crying about the 4 cocks destroying your sphincter!
Right?
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You are so full of bullshit it makes my head spin (right round, baby). Have you ever noticed this argument ("but if you give them this, they will want ... ") is being used in every equality struggle? Women, blacks, gays, whatever. Always some John Cock comes up with the frightening doomsday scenario of a gay black feminist revolution, about three days after they are allowed to vote or something similar.
No, sir, that will not happen. Gays won't run the streets and flop their cocks at you when they're allowed to get married. Incredibly enough, they are actually normal people, not depraved sexual monsters (well, Flipmo is, but that's a different story).
You say you don't "hate fags". Do you not see how ridiculous this is? It's akin to saying:
"I'm not racist. I don't hate n!ggers". (outside point - stupid word filter!)
And, serial killers and mentally retarded people are not denied the right to get married, or denied any right for that matter.
The point that you are missing is that what you consider normal, is exactly what the problem is. You are speaking from the viewpoint of the Christian, Western world. It is the Christians in the West that are intolerant, and frankly, wrong in the decision they've made because they have presumed that they speak for society on this matter and that the majority of society agree with what they think, and that isn't the case.
There's a hell of a lot more people that don't come from that perspective and therefore do not necessarily share your opinion of what is normal.
There is nothing abnormal with being homosexual, it is simply another sect of society and there is no valid reason why they should be denied rights.
The reason why you believe they are abnormal is because YOU believe that the "purpose" or "point" of life is to to reproduce, therefore men should be with women to allow for this to happen.
But I disagree, as do many others. Reproduction is a choice. We don't owe it to anyone to reproduce. In fact, in a large majority of cases, it could be said that people owe it to society to NOT reproduce.
Gay people are not denied the choice to reproduce either. There are plenty of gay people that have chosen the route of IVF et al because they have made that choice to reproduce. And there's nothing wrong with that either. So, if you also hold the belief (as many Christians in the West do) that a happy marriage is conducive to the welfare of a growing child, why deny that environment to a gay couple? It's not as if growing up in that environment will have any effect on the sexuality of that child. If you believe in the "sanctity of marriage" at all (which as Duke said, is all religious babble anyway), then how can that child grow up with any sense of that at all, if it can see that it's parents have been denied that right?
my whole point with the "give a mouse a cookie" doesn't just mean homos will ask for more stuff...
maybe in 10 years pedophiles will want the right to marry children... according to what you're saying casey, who's to say that's not normal, right? it's totally natural to have attraction to little girls so it must be okay! lets allow that, too! and in the future, people who are against pedophilia will be intolerant and ignorant too...
i'm not religious at all btw... i just have morals and a little thing called common sense... a man SHOULD be with a woman.... that is all.
and homosexuals parenting children is a whole different argument... if you think it has no affect on the child then you should do a little research before you spit stuff out like that...
maybe in 10 years pedophiles will want the right to marry children... according to what you're saying casey, who's to say that's not normal, right? it's totally natural to have attraction to little girls so it must be okay! lets allow that, too! and in the future, people who are against pedophilia will be intolerant and ignorant too...
i'm not religious at all btw... i just have morals and a little thing called common sense... a man SHOULD be with a woman.... that is all.
and homosexuals parenting children is a whole different argument... if you think it has no affect on the child then you should do a little research before you spit stuff out like that...
I know where SonOf2Pac is coming from. I also tend to believe there should be a line drawn somewhere when it comes to certain issues. Being Liberal is fine, but being over-liberal can cause problems. For this topic though, I don't think the idea of homosexuality will bring forth the demise of man, some of the people you seek help from (doctors, dentists) are homosexuals and you wouldn't even know it. They aren't useful to humanity you know. Hell, Magnito from the Xmen movies is gay, and he rocks.
When it comes to not knowing where to draw a line comes for more extreme cases, for example, here in Canada, in Ontario, some Muslims groups wanted to instate Sharia law when it comes to religious cases involving women and thensome. It was even considered for a moment, thankfully it didn't go through. See, that's a line where you have to draw in my opinion.
When it comes to not knowing where to draw a line comes for more extreme cases, for example, here in Canada, in Ontario, some Muslims groups wanted to instate Sharia law when it comes to religious cases involving women and thensome. It was even considered for a moment, thankfully it didn't go through. See, that's a line where you have to draw in my opinion.
An adult and a child is a whole different thing. That's the BS argument used. Gays = consenting adults.
And it's been proven that a child with homosexual parents isn't adversely affected. So....
Quoted for truth.
Sonof2Pac, you just completely failed with your post.
If you cannot see the difference between two consenting adults who both wish to marry each other, and a pedophile wanting to marry a child then you are seriously fucking deluded, and quite frankly a moron.
That is the worst fucking comparison of all time. You may as well make a comparison between a slice of toast and a DVD player.
Why are you guys even arguing with Sonof2pac. It's like arguing with a plant, nothing good will come out of it.
I'm for gay marriage per se. What I disagree about is the tax breaks. However the issue here is why are tax breaks allowed only to married couples for reproduction. Nowadays non-married couples have kids as well and therefore should get tax breaks for it as well. I think as a society we have to redefine our marriage concept and understand that marriage doesn't equal reproduction. You do not need to be married to have a kid and you can be married and not have kids. They should redefine the tax breaks and apply them in other ways.
It's all a matter of modernizing our laws and the society concepts in general.
I'm for gay marriage per se. What I disagree about is the tax breaks. However the issue here is why are tax breaks allowed only to married couples for reproduction. Nowadays non-married couples have kids as well and therefore should get tax breaks for it as well. I think as a society we have to redefine our marriage concept and understand that marriage doesn't equal reproduction. You do not need to be married to have a kid and you can be married and not have kids. They should redefine the tax breaks and apply them in other ways.
It's all a matter of modernizing our laws and the society concepts in general.
Why are you all shitting on SonOf2pac for?
He has the right to believe as he wants. If he's against it for whatever reason. Let it be.
Obviously, he's more conservative in issues such as this, which is fine. You may not agree with the way he thinks, but shit, maybe half of the world may not agree with what some of you think. He isn't hurting anyone, nor is he running at homosexuals with a tomahawk axe. You might think he's narrow-minded for whatever personal reasons, but no need to attack him personally. We all grew up in different ways, and are a product of what were surrounded ourselves with. Simple as that. Hell, I don't believe in Casey's all vegetarian lifestyle, that doesn't give me a right to insult him, even if I don't agree with it. I still respect him as a person.
Same as other people here, Sebastian is German. That's bad enough, but he's still cool
He has the right to believe as he wants. If he's against it for whatever reason. Let it be.
Obviously, he's more conservative in issues such as this, which is fine. You may not agree with the way he thinks, but shit, maybe half of the world may not agree with what some of you think. He isn't hurting anyone, nor is he running at homosexuals with a tomahawk axe. You might think he's narrow-minded for whatever personal reasons, but no need to attack him personally. We all grew up in different ways, and are a product of what were surrounded ourselves with. Simple as that. Hell, I don't believe in Casey's all vegetarian lifestyle, that doesn't give me a right to insult him, even if I don't agree with it. I still respect him as a person.
Same as other people here, Sebastian is German. That's bad enough, but he's still cool
You should not be tolerant towards intolerant people and opinions. Thats taking it one step too far.
Actually quite ironic...remember? "To draw a line somewhere"....you failed at this particular point.
I didn't fail at it. It's my personal opinion that lines must be drawn at some points, depending on the issue at hand. Even if I don't agree with something, I still won't go out and attack the person. Begone foul wench
I don't agree with SonOf2Pac, but I don't think he joins anti-gay rallies or punches the first homosexual he sees. I'm sure he's interacted with them in a civilized manner, despite his stance on gay marriage. As for him comparing Pedos and Gays ... Yeah, it wasn't the smartest thing to say, but I don't believe he meant it in the way we're all reading. Kinda like an exaggeration without thinking lol
If he was serious, well, God helps us all.
(waits for a random anti-God post)
I don't agree with SonOf2Pac, but I don't think he joins anti-gay rallies or punches the first homosexual he sees. I'm sure he's interacted with them in a civilized manner, despite his stance on gay marriage. As for him comparing Pedos and Gays ... Yeah, it wasn't the smartest thing to say, but I don't believe he meant it in the way we're all reading. Kinda like an exaggeration without thinking lol
If he was serious, well, God helps us all.
(waits for a random anti-God post)
Why are you all shitting on SonOf2pac for?
He has the right to believe as he wants. If he's against it for whatever reason. Let it be.
Obviously, he's more conservative in issues such as this, which is fine. You may not agree with the way he thinks, but shit, maybe half of the world may not agree with what some of you think. He isn't hurting anyone, nor is he running at homosexuals with a tomahawk axe. You might think he's narrow-minded for whatever personal reasons, but no need to attack him personally. We all grew up in different ways, and are a product of what were surrounded ourselves with. Simple as that. Hell, I don't believe in Casey's all vegetarian lifestyle, that doesn't give me a right to insult him, even if I don't agree with it. I still respect him as a person.
Same as other people here, Sebastian is German. That's bad enough, but he's still cool
It's not so much about what he believes in but more about the arguments behind why he believes so. It's okay to believe in whatever you want to believe in but you need to back your shit up.
Casey brings up smart arguments for his vegetarian lifestyle. So Sonof2pac should maybe get informed about his position on this issue and bring smart arguments on the table.
LoL!
He doesnt have to punch any homosexual to deserve a verbal kick in the ass for the retarded "arguments" he brings up.
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