Prop 8 / Gay Marriage Ban

as for tax breaks... you still get em if you don't have children... but even more important is that marriage is a very sacred and honorable vow and allowing two people of the same sex to get married is blasphemous and really takes a shit on the integrity of marriage...


That's pure religious cockadoodle, with which I will happily wipe my ass.

For the rest, Chronic said it best.
 
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Is the divorce of a heterosexual couple not taking a shit on the integrity of marriage as well, or should a couple who don't love each other stay together forever as well because it is seen as blasphemous?
 
Despite my (our) anti-religious sentiments on this, Bobbo also makes a good point. In our current society, I'd say the "sanctity" of marriage has already been pretty violated, lol.
 
The oppression of blacks back in the day (in North America) is not the same as the oppression of homosexuals at the moment. To think it's the same is just ignorant and disrespectful to blacks that lived back in those days. Gays aren't considered 2nd class citizens and forced to go to all gay schools where no books or financing would be provided. They don't have separate wash facilities for homosexuals, nor do they have to sit in the back of the bus, and they also have a right to speak out without having to be lynched.

That being said, now if you're comparing it to countries like Jamaica (the worst place, it's all over their dancehall music), or even Eastern Europe then it's fucked up.
In Croatia for example, being a homosexual is the worst thing possible. You don't come out and say you're gay. Especially in the south where I'm from (You can maybe get away with it in Zagreb, in the north). You'll dissappear in the night and get left unconscious in the wilderness 30 miles from your place. The same goes for Serbia, Sofi can tell you himself; the first gay rights parade there, hooligans from Partizan and Red Star joined forces for the first time since the war, just to chase off the homosexuals and give them a beat down. What did the police do? ...
They took a step back and said: "Go get em"


That being said, should homosexuals get married sure. Should they wiggle their cocks on my 6pm news? No. What if it's nice Lesbian boobs? Those I embrace
 
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as for tax breaks... you still get em if you don't have children... but even more important is that marriage is a very sacred and honorable vow and allowing two people of the same sex to get married is blasphemous and really takes a shit on the integrity of marriage...


Marriage has existed long before Religion did, I would LOVE to know when Marriage got owned by Religion? I can understand say the Catholic church not allowing gay marriage held in their churches or by their Priests etc but whether two people want to commit the rest of their lives to each other should not be a Religious issue.

plus, if you allow gay marriage, what's next? i can see 20 years from now some of you guys arguing that humans have a right to marry animals... remember that just because you love something doesn't mean you should be allowed to marry or i'd be married to chocolate hardyharharhar :)

Did you just try and make it seem like letting HUMANS marry if they were born the same gender is the step right before humans marrying animals? Oh and in some cultures people do marry animals.

but what most of you don't seem to have in your arguments "just let them get married" is the fact that marriage comes with tax benefits and breaks... rewards for reproduction...

So what you're saying is, refuse equality to gay people because then they will have tax breaks? WTF? As someone else said gay people could adopt or have a serogate so you fail.

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I wouldn't go so far as to say the fight for Gay Rights is the same as the Civil Right's movement, that was so extreme compared unless your talking somewhere like Jamaica/Croatia etc. But there is definate discrimination that needs to be addressed, I do think our generation and those after will make this right, but first we need to get Religion out of Politics.
 
how is it the same? you are the ignorant one for thinking that gay people looking to get married is equivalent to black people looking to get jobs, vote, live in peace, etc.

black people were looking for human rights... gay people already have human rights... HUGE difference... don't EVER compare rosa parks, martin luther king jr, malcolm x, or huey p newton to ellen degeneres, rosie odonnell and all those other hollywood flamers... EVER! thats disrespectful...

Having the choice and options to decide what YOU want to do with your life = Human Rights.

and don't hit me with that "define what's normal" cliche... normal is being attracted to the opposite sex... retardation is NOT normal but it's natural...

That's what's normal - TO YOU. It isn't what's normal TO THEM. Are you so arrogant to assume that what you do is right and people do something different, then they are wrong?


and if there were more homosexuals than heterosexuals then there wouldn't be much of a human race... think about it... if there's 6 people and 4 of them are gay and the other 2 are reproducing, then they'd have to have 6 kids just to keep our population level.

You know we have a population crisis, and they are already too many people on the planet, right?


and calling me a "fuckhead" is just showing that you are taking this too personally... you gay, man? i bet you are... it's okay, i don't care... but i will if you get married ;)

No, I called you a fuckhead because that's what you are, an arrogant, ignorant fuckhead.

And you know what? You just proved that you are a moron and didn't even read THE FIRST FUCKING POST IN THIS WHOLE THREAD, where I CLEARLY STATED:

I'm not gay. I wasn't born gay, so I will never be gay, because it isn't a choice. You can't choose your sexuality. But what right does anybody have to dictate how someone else lives their life because of something that they have no control over? It is no different than discriminating based on color, or discriminating against disabled people.

For your information, I'm already happily married to a very beautiful 23 year old woman, and I repeatedly insert my erect penis into her vagina and assorted areas of her body until ejaculation is achieved on a daily basis.

<SARCASM> Oh wait! I forgot! Clearly, since I believe in human rights for all, and I'm standing up for a group of people that are being denied one of those rights, I must BE one of those people!</SARCASM>

Your logic astounds me.......you ignorant fuckhead.
 
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Having the choice and options to decide what YOU want to do with your life = Human Rights.



That's what's normal - TO YOU. It isn't what's normal TO THEM. Are you so arrogant to assume that what you do is right and people do something different, then they are wrong?




You know we have a population crisis, and they are already too many people on the planet, right?




No, I called you a fuckhead because that's what you are, an arrogant, ignorant fuckhead.

And you know what? You just proved that you are a moron and didn't even read THE FIRST FUCKING POST IN THIS WHOLE THREAD, where I CLEARLY STATED:


For your information, I'm already happily married to a very beautiful 23 year old woman, and I repeatedly insert my erect penis into her vagina and assorted areas of her body until ejaculation is achieved on a daily basis.

<SARCASM> Oh wait! I forgot! Clearly, since I believe in human rights for all, and I'm standing up for a group of people that are being denied one of those rights, I must BE one of those people!</SARCASM>

Your logic astounds me.......you ignorant fuckhead.

photos or it never happened :)
 
Lmao, sanctity of marriage.
Wooooow...people still believe in that huh?
Oh yeah, Santa Clause and the Boogyman jacked off on your face last night while you slept.
 
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we all have natural "animal" instincts... like the hamsters, gay people (man or woman) are pressured by the overcrowding populations...

as for tax breaks... you still get em if you don't have children... but even more important is that marriage is a very sacred and honorable vow and allowing two people of the same sex to get married is blasphemous and really takes a shit on the integrity of marriage...


how is it the same? you are the ignorant one for thinking that gay people looking to get married is equivalent to black people looking to get jobs, vote, live in peace, etc.

black people were looking for human rights... gay people already have human rights... HUGE difference... don't EVER compare rosa parks, martin luther king jr, malcolm x, or huey p newton to ellen degeneres, rosie odonnell and all those other hollywood flamers... EVER! thats disrespectful...

and don't hit me with that "define what's normal" cliche... normal is being attracted to the opposite sex... retardation is NOT normal but it's natural...

and if there were more homosexuals than heterosexuals then there wouldn't be much of a human race... think about it... if there's 6 people and 4 of them are gay and the other 2 are reproducing, then they'd have to have 6 kids just to keep our population level... what if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts? don't be ridiculous...

and calling me a "fuckhead" is just showing that you are taking this too personally... you gay, man? i bet you are... it's okay, i don't care... but i will if you get married ;)

This whole argument is so lame.

If there are 2 lesbian couples, and 2 gay couples and they get married. They can help each other reproduce with what science has to offer.

So saying that they go against re-producing and not having kids or whatever is lame.

Casey said it best, it's taking their human rights by not being allowed to do things that 'normal' people can do.
 
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No, less kids are needed in countries where you can't control population growth. China, India, and especially African countries where they reproduce at rapid rates and can't even feed em. This is where 'we' ... westerners, have to help out. Canada for one, gives wheat to China to help.

Places like here in Canada have a regressing population, meaning work force isn't being replaced as fast as it should, this is where immigration comes in. This is the case for many countries in the Western World. Japan has the worst case of it in Asia. Women are not having children. Look at graphs of the population distribution for these countries. They look horrendous.
 
You never answered Casey's questions

"They're doing something AGAINST society? What exactly are they doing against society? Who are they harming?"

i believe that's the basis of all my posts...

you give a mouse a cookie and he's gonna want a glass of milk...

you gotta draw a line somewhere...
 
one last thing...

keep believing that gay marriage rights are as big of a deal as black civil rights back in the mid 1900s... shit is funny to me...
 
Canada has legalized gay marriage, next week Parliament is going to have a vote on marrying animals. In two months they're having a vote to allow people to marry inanimate objects.

(It's a fucking dumb argument, marriage will always be between two consenting adults, get with the fucking times America)
 
one last thing...

keep believing that gay marriage rights are as big of a deal as black civil rights back in the mid 1900s... shit is funny to me...

I'll just reply to you and it's meant to be for FlipMo too.

A comparison can be made between the gay and lesbian struggle now and the civil rights struggle in three ways:

1. Both communities are discriminated against by society by being seen as "not normal". You, mr. son, are my evidence for that in terms of the gay and lesbian community. Blacks, too, were seen as not normal because they weren't white and they were considered mentally inferior.

2. Both communities have not been extended full legal rights. The Blacks couldn't vote, the gay and lesbian community cannot have same-sex marriage.

3. Some time from now (let's say, decades), the gay and lesbian community will be extended full legal rights and homophobia will be looked at with the same disgust as racism.


What FlipMo did was find ways that the comparison can't be made and that is fully legitimate. The two struggles can be compared on one level and not on another. If you want to come in and say that one is more important than the other, that's fine. It doesn't hinder my argument in any way.
 
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