Person on board flight to Orlando shot for saying he had a bomb
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Big Flipp said:
Fear on a massive scale, fear for the unknown next attack, yes.
Fear for the ducttaped c4 bomb itself? not really.
its blowing stuff up that causes the fear. not waving about with it
Big Flipp said:
Fear on a massive scale, fear for the unknown next attack, yes.
Fear for the ducttaped c4 bomb itself? not really.
its blowing stuff up that causes the fear. not waving about with it
Big Flipp said:
First off, I did not read anywhere that the man reached into his bag. Right now, it just that he said he had a bomb. What if it was a bomb like he claimed, you ask? Then, airline security is not top notch, is it? Do you think you could bring a bomb on a plane? I understand that the life of one man does not matter more than the lives of those at the airport, but the air marshals seem a lil too jumpy and gun-happy, especially since the Patriot Act allows them to, right? In the end, an innocent man died and I see a lawsuit coming.
Big Flipp said:
First off, I did not read anywhere that the man reached into his bag. Right now, it just that he said he had a bomb. What if it was a bomb like he claimed, you ask? Then, airline security is not top notch, is it? Do you think you could bring a bomb on a plane? I understand that the life of one man does not matter more than the lives of those at the airport, but the air marshals seem a lil too jumpy and gun-happy, especially since the Patriot Act allows them to, right? In the end, an innocent man died and I see a lawsuit coming.
MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A 44-year-old U.S. citizen who claimed to have a bomb was shot and killed when air marshals opened fire on a boarding bridge at the Miami airport, several sources told CNN.S O F I S T I K said:
American Airlines Flight 924 was in Miami on a stopover during a flight from Medellin, Colombia, to Orlando, Florida, when the man, identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, said there was a bomb in his carry-on backpack, a Department of Homeland Security official said.
Alpizar was confronted by a team of federal air marshals, who followed him down the boarding bridge and ordered him to get on the ground, the official said. (Watch the aftermath of the shooting -- 1:36)
When Alpizar appeared to reach into his backpack, he was shot and wounded, the official said, adding that the marshals' actions were consistent with their training. Officials said later that the man died of his injuries. (Watch an air marshal talk about his extensive training -- 5:03)
Upon investigation, there was no evidence that Alpizar had a bomb, an official said.
Alpizar, of Maitland, Florida, was traveling with a woman and had arrived in Miami on a plane from Quito, Ecuador, federal officials said. He and the woman began arguing before getting off the plane in Miami, two officials said.
A passenger, Mary Gardner, told WTVJ in Miami that the man ran frantically down the aisle from the rear of the plane, arms flailing, and that the woman accompanying him said that Alpizar was bipolar and had not taken his medication, according to The Associated Press.
Officials could not confirm if the man suffered from mental illness.
After he got off the plane in Miami and went through customs, he got on the Orlando-bound plane and said he had a bomb, Air Marshal Service spokesman Dave Adams said. (Read about air marshals being taught to avoid risk)
Air marshals asked him to get off the plane, which he did, but when they asked him to put his bag down, he refused, Adams said. Alpizar then approached the marshals in an aggressive manner, at which point two or three shots were fired, he said.
Karlina Griffith, translating for her grandmother, witness Miriam Delgado, told WFOR television that Delgado heard three gunshots before people started running and "going crazy." (Watch a witness account -- :40)
This is the first time an air marshal has fired a weapon on or near an airplane, a federal official said.
Footage from the scene showed armed SWAT team members carrying rifles outside the aircraft, along with more than a dozen police vehicles. Paramedics were standing on the stairway to the aircraft.
Investigators removed the carry-on bag from the airport, and an explosives team detonated several pieces of luggage on the tarmac.
The Boeing 757, which can hold about 180 passengers, was due to take off for Orlando at 2:18 p.m. ET. It had arrived in Miami at 12:16 p.m. ET, according to the airline's Web site. No other flights at Miami International were disrupted Wednesday, an airport official said.
MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A 44-year-old U.S. citizen who claimed to have a bomb was shot and killed when air marshals opened fire on a boarding bridge at the Miami airport, several sources told CNN.S O F I S T I K said:
American Airlines Flight 924 was in Miami on a stopover during a flight from Medellin, Colombia, to Orlando, Florida, when the man, identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, said there was a bomb in his carry-on backpack, a Department of Homeland Security official said.
Alpizar was confronted by a team of federal air marshals, who followed him down the boarding bridge and ordered him to get on the ground, the official said. (Watch the aftermath of the shooting -- 1:36)
When Alpizar appeared to reach into his backpack, he was shot and wounded, the official said, adding that the marshals' actions were consistent with their training. Officials said later that the man died of his injuries. (Watch an air marshal talk about his extensive training -- 5:03)
Upon investigation, there was no evidence that Alpizar had a bomb, an official said.
Alpizar, of Maitland, Florida, was traveling with a woman and had arrived in Miami on a plane from Quito, Ecuador, federal officials said. He and the woman began arguing before getting off the plane in Miami, two officials said.
A passenger, Mary Gardner, told WTVJ in Miami that the man ran frantically down the aisle from the rear of the plane, arms flailing, and that the woman accompanying him said that Alpizar was bipolar and had not taken his medication, according to The Associated Press.
Officials could not confirm if the man suffered from mental illness.
After he got off the plane in Miami and went through customs, he got on the Orlando-bound plane and said he had a bomb, Air Marshal Service spokesman Dave Adams said. (Read about air marshals being taught to avoid risk)
Air marshals asked him to get off the plane, which he did, but when they asked him to put his bag down, he refused, Adams said. Alpizar then approached the marshals in an aggressive manner, at which point two or three shots were fired, he said.
Karlina Griffith, translating for her grandmother, witness Miriam Delgado, told WFOR television that Delgado heard three gunshots before people started running and "going crazy." (Watch a witness account -- :40)
This is the first time an air marshal has fired a weapon on or near an airplane, a federal official said.
Footage from the scene showed armed SWAT team members carrying rifles outside the aircraft, along with more than a dozen police vehicles. Paramedics were standing on the stairway to the aircraft.
Investigators removed the carry-on bag from the airport, and an explosives team detonated several pieces of luggage on the tarmac.
The Boeing 757, which can hold about 180 passengers, was due to take off for Orlando at 2:18 p.m. ET. It had arrived in Miami at 12:16 p.m. ET, according to the airline's Web site. No other flights at Miami International were disrupted Wednesday, an airport official said.
Big Flipp said:
You're implying that a "terrorist" would shout out, "I have a bomb", knowing that he would most likely be shot for it, and not accomplish his goal of blowing up whatever he wants to?
Also, you guys are misusing the term "terrorist".
"A terrorist's biggest weapon is fear" sounds like something out of an american "War and Jihad" book, and yes, I mean that in a negative way. Please explain what you mean by it.
Big Flipp said:
You're implying that a "terrorist" would shout out, "I have a bomb", knowing that he would most likely be shot for it, and not accomplish his goal of blowing up whatever he wants to?
Also, you guys are misusing the term "terrorist".
"A terrorist's biggest weapon is fear" sounds like something out of an american "War and Jihad" book, and yes, I mean that in a negative way. Please explain what you mean by it.
The root of the word terrorist is terror which means fear. Fear is what terrorisim is.S O F I S T I K said:
The root of the word terrorist is terror which means fear. Fear is what terrorisim is.S O F I S T I K said:
Big Flipp said:
LOL
Terrorism 101:
Terrorism - Political use of terror
Terrorist - Using terror to make a political statement
Not a terrorist: Man on an airplane with a bomb in his backpack....unless there's a political side to it, which he would probably proclaim before whacking everybody else.
Big Flipp said:
LOL
Terrorism 101:
Terrorism - Political use of terror
Terrorist - Using terror to make a political statement
Not a terrorist: Man on an airplane with a bomb in his backpack....unless there's a political side to it, which he would probably proclaim before whacking everybody else.
What would you call a man on a plane claiming to have a bomb then? The guy did not have a bomb but he claimed to have one and acted like someone who did have one. I'm sorry the marshall did not have time to question him to see what his political affiliations were so they could know for sure if he was a terrorist or not. He was a terrorist threat if ever there had been one, atleast at the time knowning what was known. This simply can not be argued, honestly you just look silly trying to argue otherwise.S O F I S T I K said:
What would you call a man on a plane claiming to have a bomb then? The guy did not have a bomb but he claimed to have one and acted like someone who did have one. I'm sorry the marshall did not have time to question him to see what his political affiliations were so they could know for sure if he was a terrorist or not. He was a terrorist threat if ever there had been one, atleast at the time knowning what was known. This simply can not be argued, honestly you just look silly trying to argue otherwise.S O F I S T I K said:
Big Flipp said:
Like I said, it was an unfortunate situation and the marshals did do their job accordingly. However, an "innocent" man was killed, I put innocent in quotes because claiming to have a bomb is illegal, but did not have a bomb. In the end, I don't know how the situation could have been handled better, but, I can't say that a 44 year old man had to be killed for shouting out three words and reaching into his backpack. Fuck that.
Sidenote, to answer your first question, a lunatic, retard, desperate, but definetely not a terrorist.
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