People claiming benefits that don't need it

[masta247]

2pac! He returned after 7 years.

 

[dilla]

Fuck the machine!

 

[Pittsey]

excuse my ignorance in this thread all that time ago, looks like i fell into the propaganda surround illegal immigrants, matter of fact I knew fuck all back then and was probably repeating something out of a newspaper or off some other ignorant, it's amazing what you learn when you do nothing but read when you have your 'time out' from the working environment, so glad I went down the path I did even tho its been a shit last few years, but if I didn't go this way I would still prob be thinking illegals get all this stuff and prob be joining in with the recent benefit scrounger mentality whats been drilled into the uneducated thinking people on benefits are a big part of the problem with the recession and all that, blaming foreigners for taking jobs etc, the stigmitization of the disabled , all the talking down of the NHS when the reason it's having problems is because the staff are over worked, its all bullshit propaganda to keep people at each other while the cunts in charge rob us blind.. transference of wealth, public money to private pockets, triple dip recession? triple dip fucking robbery! and don't get me started on the war on drugs lol

just thought Id bump this for educational reasons lol

I completely agree. I'm not sure if I posted in this thread, but don't want to go back to read it, as I was also probably rather stupid and joining in with the "bloody foreigners" conversation. What's even more annoying is 90% of my facebook feed is full of these type of people. The majority of people have been hoodwinked.

 

[Snowman]

its sad that people take advantage of it, i live around a bunch of douchebags that collect SSI, while i work hard bust my ass an get raped in taxes.

 

[dilla]

Sometimes, xenophobic Republicans aren't wrong in asking for conditions to be met in order for people to receive aid from the government. Drug tests should be one of them, but it's not going to filter out the abusers of welfare. Would it be too expensive to have the government give the people the food, kinda of like what they did in Soviet Russia?

I mean, stop by the person house with a box for a weekly ration of milk, bread, and any other essentials that one would buy with welfare, but we cut out the part where the person has control over the money. I mean, shit, if you don't have job, you don't have money. Whatever you do have, you use however you want, but when it comes to getting the check where someone would spend it on drugs, gambling, or just simply unnecessary shit like cigarettes or alcohol, you get the food you would otherwise buy.

 

[ARon]

I don't agree with people on welfare using the money for drugs and alcohol or whatever but the fact that people think every single person on welfare is some lazy black person, mexican or whatever minority upsets me. I was so fucking happy when florida introduced that law and started drug testing and like 5 people or something actually failed the drug tests. Everyone thought all these people would fail and they wouldn't be spending so much on welfare yadda yadda and they end up losing money doing the drug testing

 

[The.Menace]

wow, this is an ooooold thread.

 

[dilla]

I don't agree with people on welfare using the money for drugs and alcohol or whatever but the fact that people think every single person on welfare is some lazy black person, mexican or whatever minority upsets me. I was so fucking happy when florida introduced that law and started drug testing and like 5 people or something actually failed the drug tests. Everyone thought all these people would fail and they wouldn't be spending so much on welfare yadda yadda and they end up losing money doing the drug testing

Yeah, that's Florida. Do it in Chicago or Detroit. I don't know the statistics, but start with the areas which have the most people on government aid and trickle down. I don't see how we think people getting married for green cards is more important than this. You would follow the same protocol and check up on the people that receive aid.

I still stand by my original idea of giving the people the essential items and not the money. Buy them their eggs and bread and milk and drop it off to their house. Give them a $50 credit for power and water and the rest they can pick up on their own. Bare essentials.

 

[ARon]

Florida has poor minorities too. I only say minorities because that's who the republicans, the ones who usually introduce these types of bills, go after the most. I agree with you that there would be a bit more people on drugs in those areas but not by much

 

[dilla]

Florida has poor minorities too. I only say minorities because that's who the republicans, the ones who usually introduce these types of bills, go after the most. I agree with you that there would be a bit more people on drugs in those areas but not by much

Well, where in Florida did they go? They have tons of decent-sized cities there, but it's mostly old folks in their retirement homes. You don't really have that in the Southside of Chicago or all of Detroit. I figure those two cities would be where most of it's at. New Orleans. I dunno what other city, I do not know the numbers, but I feel that "Florida" is not one of the first places that comes to these "Republicans" minds when the issue comes out. Also, surely "Democrats" are not against this idea either. No one is dumb enough to throw their money into the wind, close their eyes, and hope it reaches the intended person and is used for its intended purposes.

 

[masta247]

Yeah I think that money should only be earned by work. I have an idea.
There should be a nationwide IT system monitoring their spendings - for example they'd give you a debit card tied to their benefits account, you'd only get your money there and you'd have to pay with that card (it wouldn't work with ATM). That way it would be much harder to waste that cash on drugs and alcohol.
That way the working people still support you because you can buy food at Walmart, stuff at pharmacy and pay your rent even though you don't work but you can't waste that money easily. Also there should be a list of places where you can use that card, so you don't waste that cash in a fancy restaurant. People on benefits even if they are not on drugs are often terrible money managers. I'm quite confident that this way it would turn out that the price of things necessary for their survival isn't as high as most people had thought.
Obviously you could still pay for drugs with chicken or hamburgers for example, but it makes it much harder and more obvious.

 

[dilla]

Yeah, that system would work too. Lol, kinda like food stamps, though, right? But maybe a bit more modern in that a card is used as opposed to clippings, I think, that food stamps use. I dunno. Never had food stamps.

You mentioned "work." This is me going off on a tangent, but wouldn't it be great if prisoners were made to work? And I mean constructive shit, not breaking pallets with a hammer.

They do a little bit of that when they're brought out to clean the highways of litter, which I think is good, but just having those guy sit there and do nothing is bad for them too. You keep them occupied, their time goes by faster and they accomplish something along the way. Do you know how clean the world would be if they picked up trash for 8 hours on the weekends? I feel like there's a lot of wasted talent in jail and the world would be more productive if they were put to work.

The general idea is everyone be put to work, even prisoners.

 

[Pittsey]

That system would work but it would cost so much to implement and run it, you'd be better off letting people waste their money on drugs and alcohol.

Much like the complicated tax systems we have. Just tax everyone at 20%, including corporations. No loop holes, no incentives. No billion pound computer systems. You'd take more in cash and safe more money dealing with computer systems and tax returns.

 

[_carmi]

I don't agree with people on welfare using the money for drugs and alcohol or whatever but the fact that people think every single person on welfare is some lazy black person, mexican or whatever minority upsets me. I was so fucking happy when florida introduced that law and started drug testing and like 5 people or something actually failed the drug tests. Everyone thought all these people would fail and they wouldn't be spending so much on welfare yadda yadda and they end up losing money doing the drug testing

Oh for sure not everyone on welfare is lazy. Some have very complicated situations. But some just abuse the system. And I've come to realize it's not particularly minorities, it is everyone.

I don't think here people do it for the drugs or alcohol. I think they do it cause it is such an easier way to get $ instead of going to work to a job that doesn't necessarily pay well and struggle. Here, a minimum wage job probably pays as much as as welfare. So why work and pay for daycare, etc. when you can stay home and save daycare cost? I hope they can strengthen welfares rules so that people who really need it get it, and the rest work like most of us do. But I wonder how that could be done.