Pac using the word nigga

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i can't believe some people here think white people should be able to use it. why is it so important to you that you are allowed to use it? you envy black people for the brotherhood and comradery they have? i have no problem not using it, the very thought to use it, to me, is distant.

by the way, black people's freedom is not the only thing white people stole. elvis, without the black billboard charts, would not exist. that's just one of many. some legend :thumb:
 
my 2 cents:

people that are not of african descent should never under any circumstance say the word. period. there are plenty of other words to use in the english language to greet a friend, and to say "what up my nigga" shows a lack of respect, tolerance, and intelligence.
 
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yeah. at that, no matter how many white slaves there were or who were involved or what ever, you still shouldn't use the word "nigga". now he's just debating for the fuck of it.
 
bigCASH said:
NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS NIGGA AND NIGGER ARE THE SAME FUCKING WORD, just pronounced differently..and i will defend that shit to my death.

Man thats ur opinion. To Me Nigga iz jus Slang For my homiez , or my patna. now nigger iz totally diff. i use nigger to offend my freinz sumtimez lol. its not even az serious to me tho. I dont giva fuck Nigga. Nigga U a fool. Ain't nothin wrong wit the word nigga. niggaz. yeaaah niggaaz
 
Pittsey said:
I think you'll find it was white dutch people who had the biggest hand in the creation of the slave trade.

I would blame the Dutch no more than I would blame the Africans themselves.

Pittsey said:
Yes good old America. The land where the black man is free to thrive. There is no racism in the US. And we will have a black president very soon. Hang on... No I was confused.

You're right, there is still racism in America. In fact, a study based on official FBI files entitled "The Color of Crime" the results yielded are:

# There is more black-on-white than black-on-black crime.
# Blacks are statistically 50 times more likely to attack whites than vice versa.
# Blacks are twice as likely as whites to commit hate crimes.
# Blacks are as much more dangerous than whites as men are more dangerous than women.

So yes, racism in America exists and it always will. As far as a Black president is concerned, Whites have already given control of African countries back to Blacks.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/zi.html

As you can see they only use their newly found power to hurt/kill Whites. Would this happen in America? Who knows, but it is safe to assume that a Black president would cater more to minorities.

Pittsey said:
Wow. So if I was to make you my slave and rape you daily and beat you and humiliate you, but then I make 1 of your decendants a brain surgeon we're cool. Sweet. Come to my house and make my dinner while I warm up the KY.

Whites didn't make them slaves nor did they "rape" or "beat" them. You are a victim of propaganda. To tell me that Christain Whites in the Bible belt "beat" and "raped" slaves is rediculous. There is no proof of this other than what you see on Jewish financed productions of fictional accounts of slavery. And that is hardly proof. "make 1 of your decendants a brain surgeon"? There are more poor Whites in America than poor Blacks. What are you talking about?

Pittsey said:
Yes but at the end of the day how many white slaves were there?

Throughout the course of history there have been millions of White slaves. Whites at times have been slaves for longer periods than Blacks were slaves in America.

HellRazor05 said:
AND ONE LAST THING, why do white people get offended when their called a cracker anyway? (I don't call people that I'm just curious). The origin of the word comes from white people CRACKing the whip.

Nigger
(U.S., UK, Germany) a black person. Can also generally be used towards anyone with brown or darker skin. From the word negro which means the color black in numerous languages. (The terms "Nigga" and "Niggaz" (plural) are frequently used by African Americans without the negative associations of "Nigger". However, use of these terms by other races is not tolerated by African Americans.)

Cracker
(U.S.) a white person, esp. one in the South or Appalachia with a poor, rural background. Derogatory, though sometimes used self-referentially and interchangeably with "good ol' boy." Shortened from "whipcracker," referring to slave-owning plantation owners.

As you can see they are both derogatory ethnic slurs. A Black person cannot claim the word "cracker" isn't derogatory just as a White person cannot say the word "nigger" isn't derogatory. They both are rooted in hate.

As for the White people in this thread arguing that they should be able to say "nigga", you must understand that some Blacks can get offended with your use of the word. I know, and you know that when you say "nigga" it ins't meant to be derogatory, but some Blacks may still take offense. Therefore you shouldn't use it knowing you may offend someone.

Rizzle said:
by the way, black people's freedom is not the only thing white people stole. elvis, without the black billboard charts, would not exist. that's just one of many. some legend :thumb:

White people never stole Black people's freedom. Black people stole Black people's freedom. Waring tribes stole each others' freedom. Not White people. White people freed the African slaves. As far as Elvis is concerned, rock and roll music has influences by not only Blacks, but Whites as well.

Rock and roll emerged as a defined musical style in America in the 1950s, though elements of rock and roll can be heard in rhythm and blues records as far back as the 1920s. Early rock and roll combined elements of blues, boogie woogie, jazz and rhythm and blues, and is also influenced by traditional Appalachian folk music, gospel and country and western. Going back even further, rock and roll can trace a foundational lineage to the old Five Points district of mid-19th century New York City, the scene of the first fusion of heavily rhythmic African shuffles and sand dances with melody driven European genres, particularly the Irish jig.

It's funny how you can say White people "stole" anything from you or your people considering you live an breathe the White man's culture from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed at night. Futhermore you say the White man stole from you while you speak the White man's language. Who stole from who? You should rethink your position.

Rizzle said:
you envy black people for the brotherhood and comradery they have?

Tell me what what White people should envy about Black people?

The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, Graham Bell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.

Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Negro.) He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.

The White man shouldn't be blamed for anything. The White man should be appreciated for making the Black man what he is today.

And once again I am not racist, but I am defensive and I will take up for my race anytime I see it slandered. I don't feel Whites are "better" than any other race but as far as contributions to society and helping the people of the world, White people go unmatched.
 
this thread turned into a discussion whether or not white people should be able to use the word "nigga". i don't think they should. what has that got to do with slavery anyway? no matter if it's meant positive, it's not something white people should use. if it is because black people hate white people, or because they're just weird about it has nothing to do with anything, you still shouldn't use it. so if you don't want to use it, why are you debating? and if you don't envy black people for being able to use it, why would you want to? i'm uncertain as to what you are trying to gain from this discussion, really. do you think you should be able to use the word "nigga" or don't you? if that's not what you are discussing, then why the hell ARE you discussing? lol
 
pacfan1 said:
Tell me what What people should envy about Black people?

The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, Graham Bell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.

Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Negro.) He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.
all i can say is wow... so africa's start of civilization ain't good enough for you, you have the audacity to say that africans have contributed nothing to the world? i'm pretty flabberghasted at this. amazing.

i'll keep this short... you're here on a hip hop board. if your bigot ass truely believes in this nonsense you just wrote, then you need to log out immediately.

for your sake, i hope that you are playing devil's advocate. if not, then i sincerely hope you never find your white ass in a place where you are the minority.

amazing.
 
Dante said:
all i can say is wow... so africa's start of civilization ain't good enough for you, you have the audacity to say that africans have contributed nothing to the world? i'm pretty flabberghasted at this. amazing.

i'll keep this short... you're here on a hip hop board. if your bigot ass truely believes in this nonsense you just wrote, then you need to log out immediately.

for your sake, i hope that you are playing devil's advocate. if not, then i sincerely hope you never find your white ass in a place where you are the minority.

amazing.

Africa's start of civilization? Are you kidding me? This NEVER happened. This is a figment of imagination in the minds of afrocentric minded people. These are the same people who try to say African Americans of today are kin to the ancient Egyptians. Needless to say, Egyptians weren't Black or White. Many people are ignorant to the fact that Africa is not a country but a continent comprised of many countries. Therefore, everything that happens is Africa doesn't have Black origins. Many different races have lived in Africa throughout the course of history.

With your stance on how Africa was the "start of civilization" I'm sure you also believe the Nation of Islam when they say an evil Black scientist named Yakub created the White race some 6,000 years ago with germs. To me, and any other educated person both of those claims are hilarious.

Once again a White man is called a "bigot" for being proud and defending his race (although I have made it clear numerous times I am not racist nor do I feel Whites are "better" than anybody). It is truely disgusting. Regardless of your ignorance, I will continue to be proud of who I am and the things my people have accomplished. I don't care if I'm on a hip hop (with no White influence there would be no hip hop) board or not, I have a right to defend myself any where, any place, any time.

As far as my "white ass" being in a place where I am the minority, I already am. It's called Earth, where White people are only 9% of the world's population.

I hope for your sake you are not White, because seeing a White man with such self hatred is digusting to me.

And with that I will leave this thread. It's a crime for a White man to defend himself and his people so instead of getting banned I'll just not post in this thread anymore. I'd advise other Whites to do the same as you will be labeled a "bigot" or defending yourself against slanders and insults.
 
pacfan1 said:
White people never stole Black people's freedom. Black people stole Black people's freedom. Waring tribes stole each others' freedom. Not White people. White people freed the African slaves. As far as Elvis is concerned, rock and roll music has influences by not only Blacks, but Whites as well.



It's funny how you can say White people "stole" anything from you or your people considering you live an breathe the White man's culture from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed at night. Futhermore you say the White man stole from you while you speak the White man's language. Who stole from who? You should rethink your position.



Tell me what what White people should envy about Black people?

The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, Graham Bell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.

Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Negro.) He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.

The White man shouldn't be blamed for anything. The White man should be appreciated for making the Black man what he is today.

And once again I am not racist, but I am defensive and I will take up for my race anytime I see it slandered. I don't feel Whites are "better" than any other race but as far as contributions to society and helping the people of the world, White people go unmatched.

yes black people enslaved themselves as did white people and white people also freed them yes you are smi correct there but your knowledge of ancient history is limited to outdated textbooks and bullshit. i am white. white peoeple invented the nuclear bomb but white people also used the nuclear bomb. white people burn fossil feuls and rape the earth while these "negros" in africa live in huts using renewable resources and not polluting so i think that means as much as white people inventing things.

your history is retarded the first computer wasnt an electric machine the size of a room it was the size of a book made of concrete created by a greek that had gears that were capable of telling the date. created over 1000 years ago. the first electric battery was created by an iraqi over 2000 years ago it was the size of a vase capable of applying giliding to statues. would you like links?

maybe whites have created more but we have also destroyed more as africans living simply remain neutral

deny ignorance
 
One more thing before I go:

The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, Graham Bell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.

Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Negro.) He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.

That I copy/pasted. I did not write that although I agree with what it states and do not feel that it is racist but rather factual. In 6,000 years of recorded history Africans invented nothing. Prove it wrong. I offer you the challenge. And no, I'm not talking about African Americans, I'm talking about Africans (before the White influence).

As far as the person above me, you are aware that Greeks are white, correct? As far as the electric battery: http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/story066.htm

If there was indeed an electric battery created by an Iraqi over 2,000 years ago, it has nothing to do with the modern electric battery. For instance you compare a book made of concrete to a modern computer. This is rediculous to me. The only way they can be linked is if the idea of the modern electric battery was sparked by the invention this Iraqi allegedly made 2,000 years ago. And I highly doubt that.

I'm out, I just wanted to clear up that what I was labeled a "bigot" for was not my own words but a passage I copy/pasted to illustrate my point.
 
pacfan1, you disgusting bastard, i see where you have gotten your information... an article entitled "niggers and intelligence" from a white nationalistic site, that has the audacity to quote Senator Theodore G. Bilbo, of Mississippi in 1947:

If our buildings, our highways, and our railroads should be wrecked, we could rebuild them. If our cities should be destroyed, out of the very ruins we could erect newer and greater ones. Even if our armed might should be crushed, we could rear sons who would redeem our power. But if the blood of our White race should become corrupted and mingled with the blood of Africa, then the present greatness of the United States of America would be destroyed and all hope for civilization would be as impossible for a Negroid America as would be redemption and restoration of the Whiteman's blood which had been mixed with that of the Negro.

now then, my friend, if you believe in an ounce of what you have wasted this board's bandwith on, i'd say we should do you the favor of banning you. you come to a hip hop board celebrating a black american, and you even name yourself after him, yet hold such hate and angst toward africans. you are sad and disgusting. then again, maybe you're also one of those kids in missouri who thinks he knows more about race than the rest of the world, while he surrounds himself with nothing but pink skinned yes men.

pathetic. truely pathetic.
 
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Well said. This kid is a clown look what his mom sent me:
Hello

Im sorry about that honey. Thats my son acting like a kid on the computer. We're Black and I'm very proud of it. Im a single mother who tries to instill that attitude in my son as well. Im not so sure why he has denouched his "blackness". It may be hostile feelings he has towards his dad. Im sure he has alot of resentment but thats no excuse to hate yourself.

He even calls me the N-Word when ever i ask him to clean his room (He's 16). I get sick to my stomach. Im not a racist person at all I'm just proud to be who I am. Whites should feel that same way, along with Mexicans or anybody else on this planet. I dont have any problems with anybody. Aint nobody done nothin to me.

If you think you can help him, please write back and Ill make sure he sees it.

Thanks

I agree with bigCASH on this one. I think because the word was used so much it became like a label for Black people that they adopted for themselves. I dont feel I should say it and if anyone uses it around me especially in a way that sounds degrading I let them know I dont wanna hear it. Ofcourse people can do what they wish and if people want to say it then thats cool. But a word that caused so much pain doesnt really enter in my mind as something cool to say. I agree with what Rukas said on the first page, if the aim is to take the power from the word then everyone should be able to say it otherwise the same power remains.
 
bigCASH said:
This really didn't come to my mind until recently...because i haven't given it that much thought...but it's kind of interesting when you think about it. Pac was always a deep thinker...he always had his own mind and didn't follow the crowd. When he was here he was taught a lot, studied a lot and talked a lot about his black/African-American heritage. He knew a lot about the Black Panther party and what they went through during the civil rights movement and what our ancestors had to go through during slavery. He knew that us as black people in America have come along way...but the war was still far from over cause we still face prejudice people and racisim everyday..and with all that knowledge he had of how white people treated/treat black people and how much time he spent trying to uplift the black community...why would he still continue to use the word or the word that originated from the word that was made up by white people to demolish the pride, confidence and self esteem any black person had and was used to degrade a whole race to make them feel like they were less than human. I know Pac took the word Nigga and gave it his own meaning...Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished...but isn't there a better word that we can use and call each other to show brotherhood and friendship other than the word white people used for us to classify us all as stupid and ignorant...and this whole subject goes way deeper than Pac...but i chose to use him as an example to show how smart he was and how easy it is to fall into the same trap that most of us fall into. Because we are the only race i ever seen calling each other a racist insult and still accepting it as a way of life...you don't hear Asians calling each other "chincs" or Hispanic people calling each other "spics" but we call each other nigga...and since we do that...we are basically telling the rest of the world that it's okay...now everbody is calling us niggas..they're even calling each other niggas...and i feel wether or not if you say it with the "er" or the "a" it still isn't right...and i think that it's ironic that as smart as Pac was and how much he knew about black culture and the origin of the word nigga...he would still use it.

what are your thoughts?


No.
 
i was gonna tear him up before this thread was closed heres our PM's

this is long but please take the time to read it

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Originally Posted by pacfan1
seriously man, i think you're brainwashed. whites have done more good for society than ANY other race in the history of man kind. as far as bad things, that is just evolution of the world. in the past slavery and many other barbaric things of this nature were widely accepted in EVERY culture. not just white culture. but it is the white culture that moved past these things while others still have not (africans etc).

just be proud man you should never insult your own people. IF there ever was a race war do you think the people you are defending right now would spare you?


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Originally Posted by GhostOfRazgriz
Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan1
not only are YOU the idiot but you are also a self hating faggot. rofllll @ you despising the color of your own skin. whatta fuckin faggot.

keep being brainwashed by the jewish operated hollywood and news media while i stay proud and keep gettin money. suck a dick


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Originally Posted by GhostOfRazgriz
you are an idiot for copy and pasting and for being stupid yes greeks are white but ur history is still wrong. and also it wasnt a book it was the size of a book.

http://www.giant.net.au/users/ruper...ra/kythera3.htm educate urself

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_11.htm baghdad battery



u really think i mself hating im proud to be white i mjust not retarded i know what my ancestors have done and i accept it. its not that i despise being white its just i know the truth




they probably wouldnt but id die for what i believe was right and they say the world never realizes until your gone. maybe white people have evolved farther but look at the circumstances and good fortune white people were blessed with. i nthe end none of the shit we created matters al lthat matters is what kind of people we are and in the end those minority tribes no more about the world and etc. they knew the earth was round and knew it revolved around the sun thousands of years before galileo came to that theory so ask yourself this does the fact that my ancestor created the cotton gin or the telephone or the automobile really make our people more important i nthe grand scheme i think not
 
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