New 2Pac Album this Xmas

[Da_Funk]

Five years ago this would've excited me. Now a days, I've been let down so many times, I don't even care. If it happens I'll be jumping for joy but I don't see it happening. Now how sad is that?

 

[Kobe]

There is still a shit load of material left. You are obviously not much into the 2pac scene but there's so much material left that they could easily release a few more albums. There's easily 2-3 more albums worth or "good" Death Row songs and thats just the Death Row era. There's still plenty of material from his pre-deathrow days. Shit the entire One Nation album alone has yet to be released.

I've been wondering about a couple of things. At the start of the '2 of Amerikaz most wanted' and 'Made niggaz (uncut)' video, there is an instrumental that sounds like Biggie's 'BIG Poppa'. Is that instrumental played in reference to Biggie's hit song, or the fact that Tupac said he had to change his whole LP because it sounded like Biggie's (or vice versa)? The other thing is, if Tupac did change his whole LP, that means that there is an original MATW LP that is still in a vault somewhere. Does this make sense or am I just yapping? If that LP does exist, would that be considered the holy grail of the 2pac scene??

I'm looking forward to the release of this new LP. However, something keeps telling me it's too good to be true

 

[DutchPac2]

I've been wondering about a couple of things. At the start of the '2 of Amerikaz most wanted' and 'Made niggaz (uncut)' video, there is an instrumental that sounds like Biggie's 'BIG Poppa'. Is that instrumental played in reference to Biggie's hit song, or the fact that Tupac said he had to change his whole LP because it sounded like Biggie's (or vice versa)? The other thing is, if Tupac did change his whole LP, that means that there is an original MATW LP that is still in a vault somewhere. Does this make sense or am I just yapping? If that LP does exist, would that be considered the holy grail of the 2pac scene??

I'm looking forward to the release of this new LP. However, something keeps telling me it's too good to be true

Dante released 'Paper n pen' a couple of years ago. Disc 2 was meant to be the original matw, i think. Just skipped through it, but no instrumental sounding like big poppa/ ignorant sht. Who knows this was really the matw og, it might not have been.

 

[DarkPhantom13]

I've been wondering about a couple of things. At the start of the '2 of Amerikaz most wanted' and 'Made niggaz (uncut)' video, there is an instrumental that sounds like Biggie's 'BIG Poppa'. Is that instrumental played in reference to Biggie's hit song, or the fact that Tupac said he had to change his whole LP because it sounded like Biggie's (or vice versa)? The other thing is, if Tupac did change his whole LP, that means that there is an original MATW LP that is still in a vault somewhere. Does this make sense or am I just yapping? If that LP does exist, would that be considered the holy grail of the 2pac scene??

I'm looking forward to the release of this new LP. However, something keeps telling me it's too good to be true

The original MATW album was alot more dark than wat eventually came out. Pac rapped alot about dying and the sort. Pac felt that Biggie copied alot of the subjects that he had rapped about when Biggie released his "Ready 2 Die" album. So Pac ended up changing the album. Alot of the songs that were originally supposed to be on the album ended up on R U Still Down (ie; Only Fear Of Death). Like DutchPac already mentioned, Dante released the version of MATW that Pac wanted on his Paper and Pen project.

 

[Preach]

It wasn't necessarily the version he wanted.

The album Pac "wanted" as you know was just different topics. I don't think he even finished the album or picked the songs to go onto it before he realized he had to change it. He recorded a bunch of songs and then Biggie came out with an album that had very similar lyrical content so he made entirely new songs. The songs on Pen n Paper reflect the songs that ended up being put out in a very early stage, before mixing and finalizing. The songs Pac "wanted" on the album were entirely different songs. Anyway, the songs on PnP came from tapes found in Pac's personal belongings in some storage facility somewhere and made its way into collectors' hands iirc. They weren't actually demos or promos, just random songs put on tapes to listen to outside of the studio that ended up being remixed and changed while Pac was in jail for more mainstream appeal/to present a softer side. Which had to do with PR and him finding himself in jail and having to turn his image around.

MATW has more in common with the recent Pac albums than any other Pac album in that it was massively changed. And I know it's something no one has ever talked about in any interview, ever. It feels like someone is "hiding" something about what really happened with the album to me so I've been trying to find out more about it since forever, but there is little to no information on any such thing at all. I've looked for interviews with all of the producers involved with the album but so far have found nothing.

 

[DarkPhantom13]

What do you think they are hiding about the album? I just think it's fuckin amazing and just shows you the amount of "effort" or in reality "lack of effort" that Amaru puts into the projects when internet fans can get ahold of songs in cdq (ie; Unconditional Love) but Amaru has to settle for a radio rip because they can't get ahold of the actual song.

 

[Preach]

I think some of them for some reason associate some form of shame or whatever to the fact that the album was altered, which makes me wonder if it was changed against Pac's will on orders from the label or something like that. Dante once told a story about how he confronted one of the producers on the album about having heard versions of songs that were different to the released versions, wondering if there was any particular explanation. You know, asking out of curiosity. However, the guy responded with anger and rejection. I don't know. It was truly an amazing album but that story stuck with me but who knows why he reacted that way.

 

[DarkPhantom13]

Well you know how they forced Pac to change the Thug Life album? It's possible Interscope took it upon themselves to alter the album the way they saw fit when Pac got locked up. I know the well known reason Pac ended up signing to DeathRow was because they were the only ones that were willing to bail him out but he did at one point say how he felt betrayed by Interscope for not putting up the money to bail him out maybe it's possible another reason he joined Deathrow was because Interscope also changed the MATW album without his permission aside from not putting up the money to bail him out? Im just speculating, it's times like these that i really do miss the Dante's knowledge of pretty much everything.

 

[Pittsey]

I spoke at length to Shock G about MATW. And got some very good info.

I need to locate the transcripts, but will type them and post them at some point.

 

[khamla]

Is this a real album or some bs Nu Mixx classic bs or the 2Pacshakspear 17 year old Pac rapping?

 

[Preach]

Yea DP. Sounds quite plausible.

And Pittsey, awesome, I shall await this with great anticipation Shock G interviews, whether they are in written form or in audio/video, are always the greatest. Not only is Shock an awesome dude and great at telling stories/being interviewed, but the Pac he's talking about is the Pac before all the label politics, media pressure and court case bullshit. It was a probably more light-minded and happier Pac with less sense of responsibility. The stories reflect this. The interview on Thug Angel is fucking golden. Easily the best/most insightful interview on Pac from a third party.

khamla, from the people behind the album:

“This is unreleased 2Pac…no remastering or remixing,” Payne says of the set. “The songs are from a collection of tracks that were recorded during his Death Row days around All Eyez On Me. I believe that these songs could have been 2Pac’s next record if he were still alive.

 

[khamla]

Yea DP. Sounds quite plausible.

And Pittsey, awesome, I shall await this with great anticipation Shock G interviews, whether they are in written form or in audio/video, are always the greatest. Not only is Shock an awesome dude and great at telling stories/being interviewed, but the Pac he's talking about is the Pac before all the label politics, media pressure and court case bullshit. It was a probably more light-minded and happier Pac with less sense of responsibility. The stories reflect this. The interview on Thug Angel is fucking golden. Easily the best/most insightful interview on Pac from a third party.

khamla, from the people behind the album:

Cool, I hope this is a real release and not a underground type thing.

 

[Preach]

you can check out Chronic Re-Lit release and Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions as references for what to expect. it should be top notch quality.

 

[DarkPhantom13]

Hmm...seems like i was right about Amaru blocking the release of the 2pac/Johnny J album. Kevin over at tupacnation.net posted this recently pertaining to the album.

I emailed klockwork a couple months ago about Johnny J's unreleased material and the 2Pac content. This is the email I got back

WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO GET EVERYTHING RELEASED BUT IT HAS BEEN BLOCKED BY THE ESTATE. BUT THE FIRST RELEASE OFF OF JOHNNY "J"S LABEL KLOCK WORK ARTIST IS COPPE CANTRELL. PRODUCED BY THE LEGENDARY JOHNNY "J" CHECK OUT HER MYSPACEMUSIC.COM/COPPECANTRELL CHECK OUT HER SONGS PRODUCED BY THE LEGENDARY JOHNNY "J". THE SONG "HOLY GROOVE", AND "JESUS KNOWS THE BEST FOR ME" ADD HER TO YOUR FRIENDS LIST. THE VIDEO FOR THIS SONG WLL BE RELEASED ON YOUTUBE ON JUNE 27, 2010. CHECK OUT THE DEBUT ON ICFNTV.COM 6/27/10

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