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[Silleone]

I didnt want to make this in the music forum or hip hop forum becuz this is about all music period, i was just thinking to myself how the standard of music has really gone down, there are only a few select artist that i can listen to of the new age, to me it seems like anyone with no talent what so ever can do it, i was thinking about all the classic jamz back in the day done by people in there late 20s and moving on to adulthood, these days i see songs about pure crap, songs about nothing, songs for clubbies, what ever happend to the real classics such as "in the air tonight" by phil colins, "never met a girl like your befor" by iggy pop, "sexual healing" by marvin gaye, these days music doesnt even sound real, it sounds all techno like and computerized, i aint saying it should be all instruments, but it should at least sound like music.

Alot of the singers out there now seriosly suck, i mean vocally alot of them are very good eg fantasia from pop idol, but most of the people that are even shown on tv are 18-25 year olds who know nothing about life, the content in there music is bullshit, there are some that are very talented eg Alicia Keys but still, most of them are just talking about what they see on tv, there just trend followers, none of them orignal.

I remember a while back when kelly roland made a song called "stole" which was very consious, i liked this song, it was basically showing teens growing up hard, from a girl getting pregnant that had a bright future ahead of her, a guy that killed himself becuz he was bullied and a guy that gets murderd by the school thugs, i became a fan of her after this tune but then after seeing soldier where she basically talks about dating thugs that like starting shit i thought to myself, all these motherfucking people are the same, none of them really care, in the end they all just do it for money, i remember when bob marley was letting people come in and out of his mansion, playing sports with the kids in his garden, doing free conserts to stop violence.
Non of these modern day singers would even take the time out of there fucking shoe signing to stop buy a school and sing for kids in the inner city(the ones that work hard to buy there shitty cds), none of them would invite the local kids to come into there house and let them watch there 10000000 inch tv.

i aint saying all the artist these days ALL BORDERLINE SUCK, im just saying that most of them just seem to do it for money, nobody seems to want to make great music, they just want a number 1 hit no matter how crap there song is.

 

[Jokerman]

I agree. And I blame....RAP! When any fool can make a song takin about garbage and it becomes a hit because it's got a beat or because he's outtrashed the last fool's trash-talking, then it lowers the standards of the whole industry. It lowers the expectations of the latest generations of listeners.

 

[Default MX]

Blame chingy... fuckin chingy .. godamit!

 

[Amara]

I didnt want to make this in the music forum or hip hop forum becuz this is about all music period

Reading the content, sounds like it belongs in the music forum afterall.

As for what you said, yeah there are a lot of crap singers out there in it for the money. But, I tend to think that's a reflection of the fools out there who buy it. I mean, there are a lot of damn good singers out there trying to break into the business but aren't being given a chance because the superficial kids out there that buy simply want a catchy beat and whatever, because they dont have the depth of understanding to know that most of it is a lot of fake bullshit.

 

[imported_Sun_Tzu]

yeah like that fuckin stupid Ludacris song called number one spot.

 

[Bachaveli]

i know you pointed out quality of music these dayz being bad but i want to point out somethin else too.

most of the artists these days seem to be satisfied with their music work once they become famous. once their name is out and everybody knows them, they then seem to calm down and not push themselves too hard and not force themselves to work hard to make good music.

its like ' i just became famous so everybody knows me so i dont really have make my self work hard anymore' and they seem to take couple years brake and then try to come back. they seem to settle down and not really focus on good music anymore once they have one big hit record and once they have some money to survive.

how many times you seen an artist come up and had couple of great hits and then after that you havent even seen that dude in your lifetime, and they still get paid.
thats what i mean by not wanting to work more once they famous. they get couple of great hits and then they think there somebodys.

consistency is the key in music buissness.

you dont wanna make couple great hits and then fell of and be forgotten for 10 years and then come back and try to make a song again.

i hate to bring this up as many times i have to but knowing what kinda work aholic man pac was and then to see most of these artists these the way they go about their music work, it makes pac some kinda workin machince that never would stop and its redicolous to see these people and its redicolous to even compare any of them to pac knowing their work ability.

 

[idir_aissani]

their is some real talk here I totally agree with silleone and bachaveli

 

[Stone_Cold]

Dont worry, quality music returns on 30th May!

DONT BELIEVE THE TRUTH

 

[L.A.]

Dont worry, quality music returns on 30th May!

DONT BELIEVE THE TRUTH

Gallaghers are quality :thumb:

 

[Elle]

I agree. And I blame....RAP! When any fool can make a song talkin about garbage and it becomes a hit because it's got a beat or because he's out trashed the last fool's trash-talking, then it lowers the standards of the whole industry. It lowers the expectations of the latest generations of listeners.

Capitalism lowers our standards and expectations, not a group of people. If we lived in a socialist and humanitarian society than maybe we could reference one group's or generations doings and their effect on the next, younger generations in line. It's possible in that system one generation or group would actually care about what they're putting out there to listeners. But when money is involved, said generation or group of people will do what they can to make it as fast as possible. They are a let-down generation, letting-down another, trapped in a cycle. What can you do? When your expectations are already lowered, and you're starting in the business with these expectations, in truth, the latest generation of listeners already have lowered expectations.

I'm not making excuses though. I do agree with you somewhat. I think our labels have got to change as well. Labeling a man and/or a man’s music “gangsta” isn’t appropriate when you’ve got that man writing lyrics about the “candy shop” and his “lollipop.” (Yes, I get it.) Sure, the man might have struggled back in the day, gotten shot up, and worked hard to get to where he is today, but the money has clearly gotten the better of him and so that moniker just doesn’t apply any longer. He’s grown and with child, and yet chooses to spread the same messages over and over. He stands for nothing. That’s not strength or “thug” to me, that’s conformity, weakness, and an obvious lack of an imagination.

Also, Silleone, your post makes for a good discussion, but I think complaining gets us no where. You've got to realize there was crap than like there's crap now. There'll always be bad music. There are great artists out there, you've just got to tune out the others.

And can someone move this back to WOW so we could have an actual conversation?

 

[Silleone]

Capitalism lowers our standards and expectations, not a group of people. If we lived in a socialist and humanitarian society than maybe we could reference one group's or generations doings and their effect on the next, younger generations in line. It's possible in that system one generation or group would actually care about what they're putting out there to listeners. But when money is involved, said generation or group of people will do what they can to make it as fast as possible. They are a let-down generation, letting-down another, trapped in a cycle. What can you do? When your expectations are already lowered, and you're starting in the business with these expectations, in truth, the latest generation of listeners already have lowered expectations.

I'm not making excuses though. I do agree with you somewhat. I think our labels have got to change as well. Labeling a man and/or a man’s music “gangsta” isn’t appropriate when you’ve got that man writing lyrics about the “candy shop” and his “lollipop.” (Yes, I get it.) Sure, the man might have struggled back in the day, gotten shot up, and worked hard to get to where he is today, but the money has clearly gotten the better of him and so that moniker just doesn’t apply any longer. He’s grown and with child, and yet chooses to spread the same messages over and over. He stands for nothing. That’s not strength or “thug” to me, that’s conformity, weakness, and an obvious lack of an imagination.

Also, Silleone, your post makes for a good discussion, but I think complaining gets us no where. You've got to realize there was crap than like there's crap now. There'll always be bad music. There are great artists out there, you've just got to tune out the others.

And can someone move this back to WOW so we could have an actual conversation?

Damn , good 1st post :thumb:

 

[L.A.]

Damn , good 1st post :thumb:

Elle's been around a lot longer than you.

 

[S. Fourteen]

i remember when bob marley was letting people come in and out of his mansion, playing sports with the kids in his garden, doing free conserts to stop violence.
Non of these modern day singers would even take the time out of there fucking shoe signing to stop buy a school and sing for kids in the inner city(the ones that work hard to buy there shitty cds), none of them would invite the local kids to come into there house and let them watch there 10000000 inch tv.

Do you really remember that or are you going by all the positiveness that is portrayed? I suppose Hip Hop is dead now because Tupac died. Jason G thinks that 95% of Hip Hop sucks yet he only listens to a handful artists.

Have you heard of a organization called "4 Sho 4 Kids"? They help inner city kids, guess who started the non-profit organization? Pimp Juice himself Nelly, the same guy who made the Tip Drill video, the same guy who make shitty hits.

I'm not going to sit here and write an essay like the rest of em because there are too many good music out there and not enough time.

 

[Silleone]

Do you really remember that or are you going by all the positiveness that is portrayed? I suppose Hip Hop is dead now because Tupac died. Jason G thinks that 95% of Hip Hop sucks yet he only listens to a handful artists.

Have you heard of a organization called "4 Sho 4 Kids"? They help inner city kids, guess who started the non-profit organization? Pimp Juice himself Nelly, the same guy who made the Tip Drill video, the same guy who make shitty hits.

I'm not going to sit here and write an essay like the rest of em because there are too many good music out there and not enough time.

i actually think hip hop is better now, mainstram hip hop sucks though, i just think the standard has gone down, back in the day rappers were alloud to spit what was on there mind, these days they spit to entertain a key demographic

 

[Elmira]

Elle's been around a lot longer than you.

Yeah, I've been here a while. This is me again . Couldn't sign on before... who's this?

 

[Illuminattile]

Don't be so lazy. You can't expect every song you hear on the radio to be what you consider good music. Make the effort to go out and find artists you like. God knows there are enough of them out there.