MF Grimm disses MF Doom, link provided.

[7 Syns]

Radio rip of the diss, simply put what the?
http://rapidshare.de/files/11986362/the_book_of_daniel__radio_rip_.mp3.html

What for? Someone explain.

thanx.

peace.

 

[Pittsey]

Interesting. I looked on a few sites, but no mention. Chronic may know.

 

[7 Syns]

We can have exclusive news then since the song is here and it's real?

peace.

 

[Base_D]

according some some guy on another board Doom dissed Grimm on El chupa libre of the Mouse & The Mask album

 

[goymz]

Perhaps the radio station it originated from aired some information about the track? From listening to the first few seconds, sounds like Grimm was live on air.

 

[Chronic]

We can have exclusive news then since the song is here and it's real?

peace.

Nah nothing exclusive, already been posted on a bunch of sites (and they posted it on GRIMM's site)

I think the diss track speaks for itself. GRIMM and DOOM go way back (DOOM got the 'MF' from GRIMM) and GRIMM feels betrayed.

This is what I know for sure:

There was a dispute between MIC and DOOM over money and DOOM not mastering some shit properly a while back. GRIMM said some shit about it in an interview and Megalon of MIC punched DOOM in the face at a show and some other shit went down. MIC and DOOM never patched things up but DOOM and GRIMM got back on friendly terms, they even did a show together.
Then outta nowhere DOOM disses MIC on the DangerDOOM album

"Once joined a rap click Midgets Into Crunk
He did a solo on the oboe
Coulda sold a million then the Villain went for dolo
... and cited creative differences
Basically they hated, he left no jaded witnesses"

Which is of course a shot at MIC but it's also disrespectful towards GRIMM as MIC is his fam (he started the click) and you don't diss someone's crew if you're trying to patch things up. The second guy on the song (Mez aka Destroyah) mentions the diss so I think this was the final straw for GRIMM.
"Make peace with you? Zev (DOOM's old alias) I tried to"

What I'm not entirely sure off but is probably true:

GRIMM basically helped DOOM get back on his feet after DOOM lost his brother, lost his label deal, was homeless and was doing a bunch of drugs. He got him to the point (emotionally and financially) where he could record Operation: DOOMsday (original Fondle' Em Records version). But ever since DOOM got back on he started to change.
And more than likely some other shit happened as well.

I can't actually verify any of this (so take all of this with a grain of salt) but I think the diss track speaks for itself (you can hear it's not just a diss track) and there have been numerous reports of DOOM being shady and fucking people over so you can draw your conclusions.

Info about the track: Yeah it was played on the radio and it's since been put on GRIMM's record company's MySpace page in good quality.
Produced by DJ Crucial. Intro and hook done by BASHTON The Invizabul Man and second verse is by MF Mez aka Destroyah (both MIC members).

 

[Chronic]

Here are the lyrics (some guy transcribed them poorly and I made some adjustments but there's still a bunch of errors in them but it's good enough to get the jist):

[Intro - BASHTON The Invizabul Man]

I met this kid he seemed righteous
Represented knowledge
Yeah him and his brother they was reeeal smart
But then his brother died and he was taken in by a grand master!
And from what I hear this kid Sambo was a snake
A rat… he stole shit and ran away to another state
Microchip bitch

[Verse 1 - GRIMM]

I don’t deep fry friends
Grimm Reaper nuke 'em
Hearts don't mend
Brothers turned to enemies
Nigga, enemies I eat them raw
Nigga, MF GRIMM is god of war
Parole Gunn, see you on tour
Millions get paid, lets see who make raw
Master water
Cos man is mostly made of it
Spit fire consume by friends compete for oxygen
Freeze deep ??? minds
Then skate on it
World's fire proof emcees with bad warrantees
War is a part of me
Prison harden me
Demons tried to murder me
Pistols always poppin’ me
Lead to fix my flesh
But God pardons me
Revenge, was turning descendants
so God, pardon me
Put yourself in danger
Running with a mouse
Metal turned to braces
Punch you in your mouth
Zev Luv X, used to be merry
The mask took control of you
Like Jim Carrey
Megalon
Tap him in the jaw
Knock it off him
M.I.C. got to put your mask in a coffin
Mos Def, De La soul
Roots can't revive you
When the bullets start flying
Who's gonna hide you?
Rhymesayers, Stones Throw
Nature Sounds sign you
Make peace with you?
Zev I I tried to

[Chorus - BASHTON The Invizabul Man]
You can hide behind the mask
But see through like glass
Thought you was the truth
But your style's like ass
Cut-throat bitch
mayn you got no class
Little black Sambo
shouldn’t talk trash

2x

[Verse 2 - MEZ Aka Destroyah]
Midgets into crunk
Monkeys in a cage
Murderers in a cut
Fucking you up on stage
Tell them about the time
That Gunn punched you in the face
Basically you was hating
And then you ran away
You ain't a man, you a character
I bet that mask make you feel a lot scarier
Cos man to man is your doom
Like we’re parallels
And my secret seem soon at your burial
Listen Vicky you not goons to cartoons
Your hype man is not GRIMM, that's not him
What you speak is not true, that's not you
Your team’s weak, I’ll pop them, then pop you
Smog made ya mask
Jet Jag made your name
M.I.C. gave you life
And we can take that shit away…

[Verse 3 - GRIMM]

I didn’t wanna get at you
You know this is true
One thing that stopped me
Was Lord Dihoo
But now you’re being
Disrespectful to me and the crew
Now I gotta do, what I gotta do
M.J.J. article, she got your name hot
The mask was made for you
By Lord Scotch
X-Ray gave you studio time when in town
Rodan and Megalon
Them brothers held you down
Evil jay, had you paranoid
like a clown
Jumped off stage
and ran when Kong came around
We looked out for each other
When you lived uptown
On the cover of the EP
But look at us now
Chess is life
We haven’t played off late
But even on the cover
I put yo ass in 'mate
We been through so much
Zev you was close to me
Used to come trough your house
Buy your ass groceries
I wrote the whole treatment to
Your MF video
With Adam Lounge
And Ricky 'Kid' Scotchno
Hundred thousand dollar bill
Caught up and I called you
Fired my attorney
You helped me get a lawyer
You took me in,
Let me stay out in Atlanta
Facing 15 to life
We bust out to Cali
You made sacrifices
Recorded on the run
You bust our ass
And got Ibylis done
I made a mistake
Told the press you hold dough
I see now its my fault
They didn’t need to know
I apologized to you
I thought we let it go
B.B. King's, New York
Together did a show
But look at us now
Once again, here we go
Money wasn’t worth it
And turned us into foes
Whenever you had beef
Your beef was mine
I take a life for you
Put mine on the line

Doing songs with RZA
That’s funny shit
I remember you told me
That he bit Tick, Tick...
You said Ghost was whack
You didn’t like his style
Two-faced and three-headed
Bitch I pull your file
MM food poisoning
You vomit for a while
You started some shit
Now you sitting on a pile
Metal face, tin foil
Walk the green mile

How could you ever diss M.I.C.
Yves St. Lerock yes R.I.P.
How could you ever diss M.I.C.
Big Al R.I.P.
How could you ever diss M.I.C.
J. Black R.I.P.
How could you ever diss M.I.C.
Subroc R.I.P.
How could you ever diss M.I.C.
K. Nit R.I.P.
How could you ever diss M.I.C.
T. Collins R.I.P.
M.I.C.

What the fuck happened to you man
You fell the fuck off man
Niggas used to love you, mothafucker
Come home man
Come home, Zev (Come on)
Don't let them niggas brainwash you man
I know your fans love you man
They love you
You getting brainwashed

 

[yayo]

Thanks for the info Chronic.

 

[goymz]

Thanks Chronic, that's great info.

 

[Chronic]

No problem. Just remember that's it's hearsay and only one side of the story. I think the truth is obvious but still you never know.

Oh and also, GRIMM says in the beginning "I don't deep fry friends", which might just be a play on DOOM's song "Deep Fry Frenz" but possibly DOOM said some shit about GRIMM/MIC on that track (since the track talks about friends and foes) or GRIMM at least thought he did.

PS: The song is dope as hell.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Doing songs with RZA
That’s funny shit
I remember you told me
That he bit Tick, Tick...
You said Ghost was whack
You didn’t like his style
Two-faced and three-headed
Bitch I pull your file
MM food poisoning
You vomit for a while
You started some shit
Now you sitting on a pile
Metal face, tin foil
Walk the green mile

He said that about RZA and Ghost?.I wonder if its true cos theyve worked together alot and Doom is producing tracks for Ghostfaces next album.Prob just Grimm tryin to get at Doom but RZA and Ghost about a million times greater than MF Doom zzzz.I like Vaudeville Villain but other than that i find Doom very boring.with no replay value.