Melle Mel just dissed your god on hot97

[Kadafi Son]

i somewhat agree with points from both arguments but i mean comeone do u want pac to lie and make songs about how good life is and how everything is great. cmon now.

Now you know thats not what were saying. Pac never a rhyme like that...what I WAS SAYING, Pac wasn't the downfall of rap. I know he said some scary stuff, but there was always a relative point behind it.

 

[GhostOfRazgriz]

i was exaggerating a bit

 

[bigmack]

he never dissed pac lmao. all he said was pac was not a top 5 because he brought negativity to hip hop. i dont see whats wrong with him saying that.

look at it this way. in school,if you were raising hell in class,do you think they would say you were the best student??? its not just about grades,its also about behavior. this shit is the exact same thing.

and plus,that's the dude's opinion.if you dont agree with it,move the fuck on and stop getting all emotional.

 

[Hellrazor1978]

Im not gonna sit here and diss Melle Mel, but I will say that I disagree with what he said, in a way. It isnt Pac's fault that everyone wants to be a thug today. He has no control over that. Just youngsters listening to his music for the wrong reasons.

Oh, and Pac is in the top 5 of all time...based on impact and influence alone, plus the fact he is universally accepted both in and outside of hip hop as being the best to ever do it. This aint even up for debate.

 

[Hankaveli]

Melle Mel just dissed Pac on hot97

He said Pac is not a top rapper because he brought negativity to hip-hop, and all the young thugs around today are his fault

Interesting view point, but I would counter with, he is also a big reason for many positive rappers.

and it is not Tupacs fault it is Jimmi Iven(SP?), Clive Davis, and other recored executives that sighend these "young Thugs"

or like Dr Dre once put it "Killen has been around before me and killen will be around after me"

 

[Hankaveli]

Oh, and Pac is in the top 5 of all time...based on impact and influence alone, plus the fact he is universally accepted both in and outside of hip hop as being the best to ever do it. This aint even up for debate.

yeah good Point I ment to make, just because somehow Pac is to blame for the "young thugs" rapping today can not detract from his legacy and impact on music and Culture.

 

[EDouble]

look at it this way. in school,if you were raising hell in class,do you think they would say you were the best student??? its not just about grades,its also about behavior. this shit is the exact same thing.

LMAO. How is it the exact same thing?

 

[EDouble]

yeah good Point I ment to make, just because somehow Pac is to blame for the "young thugs" rapping today can not detract from his legacy and impact on music and Culture.

Pac is to Blame for the "young thugs" Rapping today? can't let it Detract from his legacy and impact ? How the fuck ?

Pac influences in many different ways and impacts in many different ways within rap today and was the embodient of Thug Life; in whatever context Melle was speaking in it needs to be found because I doubt he was holding Pac accountable for the 'young thugs' or any shits like that. like fuckin...wats pac to be blamed for? he's dead. the industry tos blame for any this bullshit. the Medias to blame, for any this bullshit. Some are throwin blame on Pac for shit that Media, Industry did with usin Pac after he died to make cash. THATS the majority of, negative type shit people discus s. and it wouldnt be 2 simple to Dismiss the positive sides too as long as you present both .
the shit with this is kind of like with what De la soul tried to do

But Really, mutahfuckas don't even know for sure wat context melle said this (if he said it) and its even more suspect that he was going to be on ONe Nation? And now he's taken pac out of top spots cuz of this, lol

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

you sound almost brainwashed.

first of all, no matter how clean your shirt is, one dirty spot on it is one dirty spot on it, and the dirty spot stands out more than the cleanliness of the rest of the shirt. if you don't understand my comparison, i'll take the time to ellaborate it for you. tupac did record a lot of positive songs, but that doesn't make up for, or hide the fact that he also recorded negative songs. the troubled process tupac's mind went through from being another guy in the world to hiphop's most notorious rapper, the battles between his old self/his new self, his good side/his bad side, and his ultimate death which was a sub-sequent result of what he became, is what makes him interesting. dante has a very good point in saying this. putting a gloriole on his head barely makes him an angel.

ur rigth cuz 2nite man i was tryin 2 squeezz ketchup and it squirted on ma shirt.... and it was a white sleeveless shirt but its still tight n tha hoez where still jockin..so that spot didnt really effect 2 much but i have 2 throw this shyt in tha laundry now..

but on tha real i like 2pacs hard side better then tha soft side , but its good he has an open mind instead of tryin 2 making all fuck u die slow songz.

but ya he was a hard motha fucker and no 1 could fuck wit him. They had 2 shoot him twice to take him out...

"It always happens, all the niggaz that change the world die, they dont get to die like regular people, they die violently" ~2pac

 

[hoax]

i hate hip hop. its too rowdy, its too loud, its too violent.
banned 2pac, banned the outlaw immortal. "dont stop the music"
and i dont hear another rapper mentions little latasha....
" if i choose to ride thuggin til the day i die. they dont give a fuck about us. when i start to rise, a hero in the childrens eye. now the
give a fuck about us."

 

[Giz]

Apparently he was on other radio stations clowning Pac:

but I'm sorry this morning melly mel was up at star and buc morning show and he was talkin bout how pac fooled all of you and had you buy into the whole thug life stuff when that wasnt even really him...and i agree

 

[haunted]

Tupac was on Melle Mel's top list of Mc EVER. And go stick your dick in a blender if you are dissing Melle Mel.

 

[Kadafi Son]

i hate hip hop. its too rowdy, its too loud, its too violent.
banned 2pac, banned the outlaw immortal. "dont stop the music"
and i dont hear another rapper mentions little latasha....
" if i choose to ride thuggin til the day i die. they dont give a fuck about us. when i start to rise, a hero in the childrens eye. now the
give a fuck about us."

Nicely put

 

[Preach]

Tupac was on Melle Mel's top list of Mc EVER. And go stick your dick in a blender if you are dissing Melle Mel.

i actually remember that, he came in like ninth.

like, i dunno what melle mel said exactly and in what context, but he was right in that tupac was not among the top rappers whether because of the negativity he brought in hiphop or not. the negativity was already there though, but 2pac put it in the mainstream moreso than artists had before. anyway, tupac was never famous for his skills on the mic. i could easily name a few artists who could rape him literally in a dozen fight. tupac was famouse because of the controversy surrounding him. for making such a big change in hiphop when he made it a cool thing to be deep and personal, and talk about love and such. the combination of the rape case and him going to jail, sprinkled with the innovative style of me against the world, was what made that album sell so good i think. from there on out he lived more on his reputation than his skills on the mic. like dizzyfizzy said though, he got kinda better towards the end. on one nation i think he made his shit less pop music and more hiphop.

Nicely put

yeah that was cute, but fucking ignorant. nobody's hating on hiphop. if anything, it's the opposite. what people who agree with melle mel are basically saying is that he had a point, not that tupac is the devil. people without knowledge shouldn't speak. very, very cute quote from pac there lol. it's not like anybody's hating on pac, just being real. we're all on tupacboard, so we must all like him, no?

 

[ApacalypseNow]

FUCK EM ALL!!!!
Pac waz that thug n.i.g.g.a.
He chose hiz path, and he knew what he waz doin, which waz 2 immortalize T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E.....and that he did.

EVERYONE else iz a FUCKIN BITER.

He believed in any means necessary. No negativity involved?
No negative impact on hip hop?

FUCK THA WORLD!!!!!!



agreed wit Mel.

 

[simo]

I understand what he is saying but I disagree. Saying Tupac brought all the young thugs into rap music is bullshit, as it assumes if there was no Tupac there would be no thugs. Although people seeing Tupac's thug image sell may influence them to copy the thug style, he can't be completely blamed for this.

Also, even if you argue that Tupac did influence these young thugs to rap or whatever, it doesn't make Tupac a bad rapper. You can't deny talent and song writing skills due to behaviour or a supposed negative influence. All in all, Tupac's positive attributes and influences overweighed the negatives.

 

[Preach]

FUCK EM ALL!!!!
Pac waz that thug n.i.g.g.a.
He chose hiz path, and he knew what he waz doin, which waz 2 immortalize T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E.....and that he did.

EVERYONE else iz a FUCKIN BITER.

He believed in any means necessary. No negativity involved?
No negative impact on hip hop?

FUCK THA WORLD!!!!!!



agreed wit Mel.

lol. at least you're not a brainwashed imp like the rest.

 

[Zero Cool]

I understand what he is saying but I disagree. Saying Tupac brought all the young thugs into rap music is bullshit, as it assumes if there was no Tupac there would be no thugs. Although people seeing Tupac's thug image sell may influence them to copy the thug style, he can't be completely blamed for this.

Also, even if you argue that Tupac did influence these young thugs to rap or whatever, it doesn't make Tupac a bad rapper. You can't deny talent and song writing skills due to behaviour or a supposed negative influence. All in all, Tupac's positive attributes and influences overweighed the negatives.

Agreed.

 

[Preach]

I understand what he is saying but I disagree. Saying Tupac brought all the young thugs into rap music is bullshit, as it assumes if there was no Tupac there would be no thugs. Although people seeing Tupac's thug image sell may influence them to copy the thug style, he can't be completely blamed for this.

Also, even if you argue that Tupac did influence these young thugs to rap or whatever, it doesn't make Tupac a bad rapper. You can't deny talent and song writing skills due to behaviour or a supposed negative influence. All in all, Tupac's positive attributes and influences overweighed the negatives.

melle mel isn't trying to blame it solely on him though. he's just basically saying that compared to other rappers, he is more to blame. re-read what melle mel said, he said tupac brought negativity into hiphop, not that he created a nation of thugs.

 

[Zero Cool]

he said tupac brought negativity into hiphop, not that he created a nation of thugs.

He said Pac is not a top rapper because he brought negativity to hip-hop, and all the young thugs around today are his fault