Meatarians..

[_carmi]

A plant does not have intelligent life. It does not have a brain and can not think. It does not have senses and is not capable of feeling emotions.

still is a living creature since it is capable of growing and is made of some sort of cell.

 

[Prize Gotti]

still is a living creature since it is capable of growing and is made of some sort of cell.

its not a creature. creatures have a conscienous.

 

[7 Syns]

whatever. let people do whatever they wanna do.

peac3.

 

[Casey]

You dont wear much! hmmm

Many vegetarians refuse to wear silk because of the large number of silkworms that are killed in the harvest.

Leather is a material created through the tanning of hides and skins of animals, primarily cattlehide.

But if you feel so strongly against killing animals for meat to eat, why would'nt you feel the same way about killing living things for fabrics for clothes?


Im honestly gonna try and find some rice milk tommorrow and see what it tastes like. Im curious.

Don't own any silk at all. If I was to buy some I would ensure it was synthetic then.

As for leather....I've never bought any leather. The coat I occasionally wear was a gift and I'm pretty sure the gloves are imitation leather.

Anyway this will be my last post for 2 weeks as I'm off to Seattle/Portland/Eugene in a few hours and am leaving for the airport shortly.

Peace out StreetHop! Catch ya in a few weeks.

 

[Tha_Wood]

good luck and have a fun trip

 

[stefanwzyga]

As for leather....I've never bought any leather. The coat I occasionally wear was a gift and I'm pretty sure the gloves are imitation leather.

Hmm your pretty sure but you aint positive.You preach veggitarianism yet your maybe walking around with a dead animal on your back!The point being when it comes to killing for meat your very strict, but your killing for material seems to be somewhat more relaxed.

Also most medicine was cruelly tested on animals first so why not make a stance in the future and refuse any medical assistance?

Peace out StreetHop! Catch ya in a few weeks.

Enjoy yourself man.:thumb:

 

[DarkPhantom13]

Fuck a vegetarian!

 

[Bobby Sands]

^^Looks tasty

Good Luck Militant.

 

[Jokerman]

Actually, the karma is perfect. When we kill animals and eat them, they eventually kill us with cancer and heart disease.

So killing animals is killing ourselves. 35 million cows a year are slaughtered in the US alone. Boy, are we a suicidal culture. I say we're the ones with mad cow disease.

 

[Glockmatic]

Eating vegetables and fruits is killing us too. One billion pounds of pesticides are used in American agriculture a year, which not only goes into food but also seeps into drinking water.

 

[Duke]

I like most veggies and will happily chow them down.

On the whole eat meat/don't eat meat thing:

I disagree with moral knights going against the meat industry because "its cruel". Yes, it is. But all 6 billion of us can not switch to eating soy tomorrow. It's not practical. Besides, millions of small animals die every year when harvesting your precious veggies. Not so animal friendly after all.


What I *am* very much against is the "unpersonifying" of meat. I want to know what I eat. I want to know which part of the beastie, all the details. I like to "rummage" around in a dead animal's carcass. I love eating whole fish, identifying all the bits and then shoving it down my throat. I think it's a good thing that people know what they eat.

 

[Jokerman]

Eating vegetables and fruits is killing us too. One billion pounds of pesticides are used in American agriculture a year, which not only goes into food but also seeps into drinking water.

This is true. Go organic people. Say no to the pesiticide makers with your choices.

 

[Jokerman]

But all 6 billion of us can not switch to eating soy tomorrow. It's not practical.

It's not just about soy. We're talking about switiching to a whole grain diet rich in vegetables and fruits, nuts, legumes, seeds, etc. Not overnight, of course. Would there even be a chance of that happening? No. But, yes, it is practical. In fact, it's been estimated that if we took the grain we give to cows and other livestock and gave it to people, we could feed the entire world with much left over. By virtually all accounts, eating food derived from animals is wasteful.

The senseless waste of the world's growing meat-centered diet is illustrated by a statement put forth by the Population Reference Bureau: "If everyone adopted a vegetarian diet and no food were wasted, current food production would theoretically feed 10 billion people, more than the projected population for the year 2050."

 

[Duke]

It's not just about soy. We're talking about switiching to a whole grain diet rich in vegetables and fruits, nuts, legumes, seeds, etc. Not overnight, of course. Would there even be a chance of that happening? No. But, yes, it is practical. In fact, it's been estimated that if we took the grain we give to cows and other livestock and gave it to people, we could feed the entire world with much left over. By virtually all accounts, eating food derived from animals is wasteful.

The senseless waste of the world's growing meat-centered diet is illustrated by a statement put forth by the Population Reference Bureau: "If everyone adopted a vegetarian diet and no food were wasted, current food production would theoretically feed 10 billion people, more than the projected population for the year 2050."

You are conveniently forgetting that most of the world's cultivation grounds are only suited for growing rudimentary grains and wheats, only really suitable for livestock and not personal consumption. The false notion already starts at "If we would take all the food we give to cattle". Maybe, very maybe, if we would all start eating rice 24/7. But you can forget about the rest, really.

 

[Glockmatic]

It's not just about soy. We're talking about switiching to a whole grain diet rich in vegetables and fruits, nuts, legumes, seeds, etc. Not overnight, of course. Would there even be a chance of that happening? No. But, yes, it is practical. In fact, it's been estimated that if we took the grain we give to cows and other livestock and gave it to people, we could feed the entire world with much left over. By virtually all accounts, eating food derived from animals is wasteful.

The senseless waste of the world's growing meat-centered diet is illustrated by a statement put forth by the Population Reference Bureau: "If everyone adopted a vegetarian diet and no food were wasted, current food production would theoretically feed 10 billion people, more than the projected population for the year 2050."

We can already feed the world, its just that we don't do it. The amount of agriculture that would be needed to supplement the lost protein of meat would be too much of a strain on the enviroment. A cup of soy is 7 grams of protein, a cup of chicken is 28 grams of protein. An adult human needs between 40-60 grams of protein to avoid protein deficiency, imagine how much we would have to grow for a country like the US to get enough protein in their diet.

 

[Jokerman]

The amount of agriculture that would be needed to supplement the lost protein of meat would be too much of a strain on the enviroment.

Not true. Soy alone does not need to meet our protein needs. Proteins are complementary. If we do nothing more than eat rice and vegetables or beans, our protein needs are easily and well satisfied. It takes more arable land to grow feed for livestock than for human consumption. And since Americans and Europeans can't raise all the feed domestically that's needed to sustain all this meat eating, agribusiness has to cut down the rain forest.

If we look at China, we see that they have only 7 percent of the world's arable land, yet they are currently able to sustain 1.5 billion people from it. And meat is not a big part of their diet. (Many are Buddhists, you know.) They even export much rice, maize, vegetables, and fruits. Of course, encouraged by the US (for profit), China's meat industry has been expanding and reducing the amount of land used for human food significantly.

But the US has more arable land per population than China and there would be no problem feeding everyone on a vegetarian diet.