Lyrical Genius!

#1
Alright, so I've been thinkin and been in alotta debates with friends who they think deserves to be considered a lyrical genius. And then I came across this thread about punchline rappers, and it solidified my opinion, that Vakill is imo definitely a lyrical genius. Theres a only a few artists out there that i would give that title to, but some of the shit this dude comes up with is just outta this world. I know most ppl havent heard is shit, so heres just some of lines he's spit:

"give a fuck if its mixtape or what!/Put ya money where ya mouth is and i'll show u a dick wit a bad case of paper-cuts"

"The creek too deep for yall to paddle up it/ for the battle of it, i'm a shine so bright the hands of god can do shadow puppets"

“Y’all can’t be serious, Vakill’s like Columbians sittin’ in a circle; my name has a ‘dope ring’ to it”

“Im Va hyphen violentest, pen a mime and a violinist with straight razors at your trachea Half postal worker half terrorist anthrax biochemist Im the sickest pushing the envelope, please”

“Born nice and dying nicest…Dionysus like I keep a handful of ass in the wine cooler" (Dionysus = Greek god of wine/sex/theater)

“Its alright to show the late greats love But some of y’all is riding dicks and don’t know it like a date rape drug”

“From getting brain and punani from two mami's I'm tsunami with the spitting, you cartoon as niggass is Toonami”

“Hammers is all cocked; so many Makavelli mini me’s in the game it’s a Fuckin outbreak of smallpox(small pacs)”

“Speak monastery fluid, my games gospel apostle that turns spit into monetary units”

“Recognize deaths sudden backups like surfin’ for porn with 2 left buttons/ you ain’t got the right click to save ass.”


"I’m a pimp…pussy falls in my lap like a strip full of clumsy crippled bitchess"

"Take my brain off safety and watch my *Eyedeas* drop *Shells* in Blaze Battle fashion"

“Those who wantin' to freestyle, go buy my tape twice and get a free dick in your mouth with two proofs of purchase”

"Ya'll niggas cant do shit to me but treat me like the scare crow and gimme brain" (think wizard of oz)

"you aint gotta throw a punch, i'll fuckin waste ya even if ya mood swings"

"I flyin' hands with drunken fist co-pilot while u bitches prayin for a sober landin"

"Let Juice catch bodies and ima catch the bitch, my trigga finga's got a bad case of crabs, now who wanna scratch the itch?"

"You born to lose like a kid thats only got L's in his alphabet soup"

"God gave me brains in both heads, so everytime i masterbate, ima stroke a genius"

"Hell has finally froze over, My arteries is iced out, and satans making snow angels on both shoulders"


... anyways thats just a small display of his abilities. And the thing I love about this guy is, he can spit tracks punchline after punchline, and then leave the punchlines out and talk on some real shit. Anyways who else is a lyrical genius? Lets leave Nas, Big L, Pharoahe Monch, etc out, cuz we all already know how ILL they are.

~peace
 

roaches

Well-Known Member
#3
MC Paul Barman.

I thought Phonte was onto something when I first heard "Whatever You Say", but he hasn't really followed up on that. It's a shame.
 
#5
Define lyrical genius.
An emcee that can spit bars that literally raise ur eyebrows when u listen to em. An emcee that can spit bars that go right over ur head the first time u hear it. An emcee that can pput together a track/album that leaves ur jaw dropped. Overall just an emcee that amazes you everytime u hear em, and makes u personally think.. damn this dudes a genius at what he does


MC Paul Barman
havent heard much, so I cant comment on him

I like Phonte's style, but I wouldnt say he's a lyrical genius.

Juice is great, he has a dope flow, and a dope freestyle. But I think he's inconsistant when it comes to droppin albums. Him and Vakill are supposed to be doing an album together actually under a group called Triangle Offence. Both are great emcees, and tha shit should be tight as hell.. but it doesnt sem to be getting done anytime soon. I think they perfectly assist eachothers styles and are the best collabo since blackstar or Red n Meth. If u havent heard em together I suggest u check the track called "Out the Speakers"

~Peace
 
#6
ImmortalTech said:
An emcee that can spit bars that literally raise ur eyebrows when u listen to em. An emcee that can spit bars that go right over ur head the first time u hear it. An emcee that can pput together a track/album that leaves ur jaw dropped. Overall just an emcee that amazes you everytime u hear em, and makes u personally think.. damn this dudes a genius at what he does
Vakill joints from back in the day are tight. Most of his post nineties output has sounded like some shit Ras Kass could have knocked up in his sleep. I saw him support Ghostface at a gig in Chitown a few years ago and was severely underwhelmed by his poorly delivered attempts at what seemed like dexterous wordplay.

Having said that, some of his misogynistic punchlines are pretty fucking hilarious.
 
#7
yea... Vakill himself admits he needs to work on his live shows. He's an emcee that can admit his weakness so I respect that. And at the same time he says he's working on it, cuz he thinks its very important to an emcee to be able to rock a live show. And yes Ras Kass is also what I consider a lyrical genius, but at the same time i think Kass has fallen off quite a bit. I mean comparing Soul on Ice to some his newer shit. Whereas I dont think Vakill has fallen off at all, instead he's grown from a punchline type of emcee to a very well rounded emcee. First time I heard "Worst Fears Confirmed" I was dissapointed cuz it isnt that lyrical fire Va always brings out, but it grew to be my favorite album of '06 cuz he demonstrates how hes grown as an emcee, and what else he can do other than spit a couple of nice punchlines. I'm not going to sit here and say Vakill is better than Ras Kass or Ras Kass is better than Va, cuz I think that turns into a matter of taste, but I will say currently I'm personally feeling Va's shit alot more than Ras Kass. Ras Kass is a name Vakill is proud to be compared against, although he claims he wasnt influenced by Ras kass as he was by Pharoahe Monch.. But when I've brought up a name like Vakill and ppl have tried to say shit like "nahh yo Jim Jones is iller than that cat, who the fucks even heard of Vakill?" I dont think thats fair to an emcee as talnted as him, and thats whats wrong with hiphop fans. "Who even heard of that guy" arguement.

Anyways Armor of God comin this year.. I'm sure it'll be atleast in my top 10 album's this year. PEace.
 

mvp

New Member
#8
I know what you mean man. I think Immortal Technique has be classed as Lyrical Genius, the guy is crazy with his ideaolgy and his punchlines.

"With skill unused like phylopean tubes in a dyke" - probably one of my favourites.

Peep "Speak your mind"...
http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/immortal/rev_vol1/speak_yr.tch.txt
The flow in this is on some other level.

And if you thought "Fuck the Police" and "Cop Killer" got rappers in trouble, how has this not...

"and I treat the law in this
country like a mother fucking joke, cause if I'm
willing to smoke the president, while he's sniffing his
Coke, you know it don't mean shit to me
to cut a fucking cops throat" - "The Illest"
 
#10
"This some shit you couldn't pump out if you was hit with a plunger/"
---J.R. Writer

"I tell the customers to put their cash up in the sky/
And treat 'em like a bad comedian and slap 'em with a pie/"
---J.R. Writer

"You ain't seein' numbers; your career is on Star 67/"
---J.R. Writer

"Writer keep the toaster in the stash/
Snap and clap at you like I'm open for the pass/"
---J.R. Writer
 

roaches

Well-Known Member
#12
I like Phonte's style, but I wouldnt say he's a lyrical genius.
The first verse, he had a good meter going and wrote a verse that sounded dope and flowed well without making it rhyme. That takes some kind of talent.

As for Barman... palindromes.
 
#14
Mr Lif is tight... But for some reason I cant stand his voice.. that shit gives me a head ache

The first verse, he had a good meter going and wrote a verse that sounded dope and flowed well without making it rhyme. That takes some kind of talent
what track did Phonte do that on?.. its funny cuz just the other day I was thinking of ways to write a verse, that'll have very loosely based or what would usually be considered a weak or nonexistant rhyme scheme, but would flow flawlessly. I didnt coume up with anyways of doing it, and figured ppl like Bizzy bone would be the only ones to accomplish something like that just cuz of the way he flows. I thought that was a pretty tight/creative idea, didnt know someone has already done it haha.
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#15
ImmortalTech said:
Mr Lif is tight... But for some reason I cant stand his voice.. that shit gives me a head ache



what track did Phonte do that on?.. its funny cuz just the other day I was thinking of ways to write a verse, that'll have very loosely based or what would usually be considered a weak or nonexistant rhyme scheme, but would flow flawlessly. I didnt coume up with anyways of doing it, and figured ppl like Bizzy bone would be the only ones to accomplish something like that just cuz of the way he flows. I thought that was a pretty tight/creative idea, didnt know someone has already done it haha.
I thought Phonte was onto something when I first heard "Whatever You Say", but he hasn't really followed up on that. It's a shame.
Reading is fundamental.
 
#16
HAHAHA ur right!.. i knew he mentioned it earlier, but for some reason, my dumbass just read his last post and replied...

Anyone hear, Chino XLs -Wordsmyth .. any thoughts on that track?
 

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