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Yeshua said:
^ you don't like that I am right, right? I'm talking about lyrics, but you go on to talk about me ...
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Did I not write out a analytical response of the line? Yes I did. You dismissed it.

In the end, there is no universal right or wrong interpretation of the line and we will never know for sure or the few lines bundled together, but I am willing to say most Tupac fans would side with my interpretation than yours.

I went on to talk about you because your previous posts in this forum show that you're delusional when it comes to interpretations of Tupac's music. One of those key thread examples is the ambiguity one. Let's not even start on the "Ambitionz az a WRITER" interpretation you have.
 
S O F I said:
no.



1. Hands on the pump, make 'em jump when it cocked back - he's saying that with his pump, he scares bitches(wimpy guys) and therefore they jump back

2. fuck em all, they bitches - tupac is reiterating his point that all these "niggas" out there are bitches, aka wimpy guys

3. inside a world of weak - 2pac is saying that these bitches (wimpy guys) are in a world of weak, wimpy guys, they're in a world where they're ALL bitches. again, 2pac is simply repeating his point. He says INSIDE, not ASIDE. But, yes, by saying that these bitches are inside a world of weak, he is disassociating himself from wimpy guys, because he considered himself courageous and hardcore.

and by saying, "we the last ones left", he's pretty much saying that he, the outlawz, and whoever, are the last REAL niggaz left, or along the lines.
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That sounds pretty much on point with me.
 
When a person utters an opinion that deviates from the norm, not with a marginal length, but by miles, it's customary to be concerned. The point is that he is right. I have read some of your lyrical analysis, and they are far out there dude. That's not just me saying that, btw. I'm not angling this. I'm not going for the funny approach. I'm not pulling the holier than thou here. You have to get over this idea that everybody human being on earth are unique, and that if we disagree with you or don't get you, we are wrong/bad/you are enlightened. It's not the case. We've all thought we were smarter than everybody else, but the fact is that when a large group of people tell you you are wrong/disagree with you, most likely they are more right than wrong. It's your civic duty to pay attention to such heed.

Tupac was not a Jesus. For all your fandom, did you ever sit down and listen to a Tupac interview? If you look in between poetic quotes about roses and concrete, you will see that a lot of Tupac's opinions were soaked in ignorance. Take his one comment about Chuches. He said, why do churches have to have colored glass and shit. Why do you have to seek out God, why can't he come to you when he's the one that put you here? A simplification. If you tailor a religion to your needs you're a hypocrite. Pac was a hypocrite for professing to love God, yet carrying his life the way he did. He didn't want to be a religious person the way other people do it because it was impractical, but he gave the impression he answered to God. The point I'm making is that Tupac never gave the whole "Where do we come from? What's the purpose of the universe?" a whole lot of thought. He took one explanation out there that's easy to lean on and ran with it. It makes sense. Some people fight for world hunger, others for animal rights. We can't all fight the same fights. Pac wasn't about philosophy on religion. He was an instigator. Do you remember the black watch interview from Thug Angel? Or the Out On Bail live performance where he shouted "fuck all y'all white people"? Pac said some stupid shit in his day. Yet people look past it, point to his epic quotes, and call him the black messiah.

The reason why Pac didn't rap about ambitionz az a WRITER, and the reason why this one line from LastOnesLeft is as simple as S O F I made it out to be, is that Tupac was just another black dude from the hood. The only difference is he was a little bit smarter than the rest, and had a lot more coincidences hit him. Analyze your own ways of communicating with your friends. How many times throughout a day do you say things that were in fact predictions of the future, although you used clever wording to hide your true motives (even though that doesn't make sense as someone with an ability of foresight would not do that at all)? none? I though so. Why is it reasonable to think Pac was superhuman? Spending an average of 25 minutes writing each song, how much time is there to figure out complex puns like rapping about being a rider for life while it's in fact about being a "writer"? Doesn't it make more sense, if anything, for Pac to say something like my ambitionz as an artist? He didn't just write? It's like you looked past all the fifteen feasable explanations, and try to find one that doesn't incorporate one single detail used in ANY of the aforementioned scenarios, only to prove that it's possible to come up with a different explanation, then going with that last explanation instead of all the other ones that are a lot more likely. I get your point, you just want people to be aware of the other side of the argument blah blah blah. In the end, if you listen to "Ambitionz Az A Ridah" and think it's about how great a songwriter Tupac was, you have failed. You can keep trolling and sticking by it but for what? Just so you won't have to admit that someone else came up with a proposed scenario that sounded more feasible than what you could come up with? Why do you believe you are the golden child who saw the light in every discussion? Why do you think so many people have failed to get to the point where you're at, intellectually? Why are you so closed and narrow-minded to the possibility that it's the other way around?
 
I still think he says : 'aside a world of we' because directly after is the only time in the song that he says 'we the last ones left'.

Every other time pac says it he says 'I'm' the last one left, or 'I' wanna get it going on.
 
You don't find it so easy to contradict me now, now that you know that Pac says 'we the last ones left' only once in the song. Aside a world of bitches, we are the last ones left.
 
^ yes I was just fooling around. I was lying, Tupac didn't have any ambitions as a writer, that is why Pac had STACKS AND STACKS OF POETRY, as Shock G said in the interview on Thug Angel. What am I thinking?
 
Yeshua said:
I was not talking about pac stumbling over lyrics. Pac's delivery is flawless. I was talking about Pac layering his lyrics together with different words with similar meanings and sounds. This is it, that is all.
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That is Pac stumbling over his words, its not something he did on purpose because it doesnt exist in tracks that he released while alive. What happened is Pac recorded the verse once and then wanted to layer it and messed up the lyrics on the second take, because he wasnt around to fix them they stayed like that. Im surprised someone didnt cut the wrong layer out though and just double the correct one or leave it singular I doubt anyone would have noticed, sloppy mixing by whoever did it.
 
Yeshua said:
^ yes I was just fooling around. I was lying, Tupac didn't have any ambitions as a writer, that is why Pac had STACKS AND STACKS OF POETRY, as Shock G said in the interview on Thug Angel. What am I thinking?
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he was 19. when he wrote that song, he was 24 or 25. that's 5-6 years. i' not saying tupac didn't have such ambitions, i'm not denying he considered himself a writer, i'm just 99% sure that's not what the song is about. the hook reflects the general content of the verses, and they have nothing to do with writing, and everything to do with being a ganksta ass muthafucka.
 
Preach said:
he was 19. when he wrote that song, he was 24 or 25. that's 5-6 years. i' not saying tupac didn't have such ambitions, i'm not denying he considered himself a writer, i'm just 99% sure that's not what the song is about. the hook reflects the general content of the verses, and they have nothing to do with writing, and everything to do with being a ganksta ass muthafucka.
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Tell us Preach, what do you think the song is about? Is it anything different that I have covered already? I have said already that the beauty of Tupac's poetry is that he is able to turn around what he is saying and make it appeal to 'the street'. This is exactly what this song is about. It wouldn't sound gangster for him to rap 'I have ambitions as a poet'. Art is all about merging concepts and breaking boundaries between them. If this song is about anything it is about Pac being a gangster-ass poet!


How can this song have nothing to do with writing, when writing is the blueprint to Tupac's raps?

Listen to Tupac's raps and think what is he really writing about. Everytime Tupac mentions the word 'Pen' in his raps do you think he is talking about a penitentiary? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


In ambitionz he is subtlely talking about using his pen:

So many battlefield scars - (he's talking about making scars on a page with his pen. The page is his battlefield, hence Tupac faught with his pen.)
while driven' in plush cars - (his writing is driven through his pen.)
coz this life as a rap star is nothing without ... GOD! - (notice Tupac's pause. He is not mentioning directly what he is talking about. Instead he offers nothing more than a hesitent pause followed with an exclamation, God!. His life as a rap star is nothing without ... his pen!)

I ready to die write here tonight

Witness my steel - hmmm ... aren't pen nibs made from steel?

I'ma ryhme though

Watch me bleed - Hasn't Tupac talked about pouring his soul out through his raps


Thuggin' for life and if you write it then nigga die for it

My murderous lryics

Didn't diminish my power so now I'm back to be a muthafuckin menace - his power, to write!


Got problems then handle 'IT'

You are blind in your mind if you don't think Tupac is talking about his Pen. There are countless references to writing in his lyrics. It all depends on what context you are listening to it in your own mind, what your own minds eye is looking at in regards to definition and interpretation, Semantics.
 
Yeshua said:
Listen to Tupac's raps and think what is he really writing about. Everytime Tupac mentions the word 'Pen' in his raps do you think he is talking about a penitentiary?
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Yes, he is. Your evidence for your theory is very poor.
 
Yeshua said:
Tell us Preach, what do you think the song is about? Is it anything different that I have covered already? I have said already that the beauty of Tupac's poetry is that he is able to turn around what he is saying and make it appeal to 'the street'. This is exactly what this song is about. It wouldn't sound gangster for him to rap 'I have ambitions as a poet'. Art is all about merging concepts and breaking boundaries between them. If this song is about anything it is about Pac being a gangster-ass poet!


How can this song have nothing to do with writing, when writing is the blueprint to Tupac's raps?

Listen to Tupac's raps and think what is he really writing about. Everytime Tupac mentions the word 'Pen' in his raps do you think he is talking about a penitentiary? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


In ambitionz he is subtlely talking about using his pen:

So many battlefield scars - (he's talking about making scars on a page with his pen. The page is his battlefield, hence Tupac faught with his pen.)
while driven' in plush cars - (his writing is driven through his pen.)
coz this life as a rap star is nothing without ... GOD! - (notice Tupac's pause. He is not mentioning directly what he is talking about. Instead he offers nothing more than a hesitent pause followed with an exclamation, God!. His life as a rap star is nothing without ... his pen!)

I ready to die write here tonight

Witness my steel - hmmm ... aren't pen nibs made from steel?

I'ma ryhme though

Watch me bleed - Hasn't Tupac talked about pouring his soul out through his raps


Thuggin' for life and if you write it then nigga die for it

My murderous lryics

Didn't diminish my power so now I'm back to be a muthafuckin menace - his power, to write!


Got problems then handle 'IT'

You are blind in your mind if you don't think Tupac is talking about his Pen. There are countless references to writing in his lyrics. It all depends on what context you are listening to it in your own mind, what your own minds eye is looking at in regards to definition and interpretation, Semantics.
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You are straight crazy dude
 
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