Israel appeared to have struck the site (U.N. observer post) deliberately.

[Morris]

^ They have referred to me as Israel, and they have complained that I don't admit guilt for the current operation.

No, I'm not Israeli, or in the IDF, or even Jewish.

 

[Kareem]

^ They have referred to me as Israel, and they have complained that I don't admit guilt for the current operation.

No, I'm not Israeli, or in the IDF, or even Jewish.

Bullshit! this is a pic I took of Morris on my trip to Milwakee (sp)

 

[Tru Principle]

^ They have referred to me as Israel, and they have complained that I don't admit guilt for the current operation.

No, I'm not Israeli, or in the IDF, or even Jewish.

you're satan :laugh:

 

[Morris]

Bullshit! this is a pic I took of Morris on my trip to Milwakee (sp)

Nice picture

Good luck finding an Orthodox Jew in Milwaukee. The last time I saw one was at the Newark airport 3 years ago.

 

[Tru Principle]

Can't we all just work our differences and stop the killing? ^

 

[Sebastian]

Easy answer: No!

 

[Glockmatic]

The Lebanese magazine LIBANOSCOPIE, associated with Christian elements which support the anti-Syrian movement called the "March 14 Forces," report that Hizbullah masterminded a plan that would result in the killing of innocents in Qana, in an attempt to foil Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's "Seven Points Plan" calling for deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon and the disarming of Hizbullah. The magazine reported:

"We have it from a credible source that Hezbollah, alarmed by Siniora's plan, has concocted an incident that would help thwart the negotiations.... Hezbollah gunmen placed a rocket launcher on the roof in Qana and brought disabled children inside, in a bid to provoke a response by the Israeli Air Force. In this way, they were planning to take advantage of the death of innocents and curtail the diplomatic initiative," the site stated.

http://www.libanoscopie.com/fulldoc.asp?doccode=994&cat=2 its in french (french lebanese publication)

Can't we all just work our differences and stop the killing? ^

Short answer: probably not.
Long Answer: There will always be hatred for the jews in the middle east as long as Israel exists, parents will teach their children to hate jews and their children will teach their children. Groups like Hezbollah and Hamas will be around for a long time to threaten israel, and israelis will hate them, the circle of hatred is complete.

 

[Khaled]

The Lebanese magazine LIBANOSCOPIE, associated with Christian elements which support the anti-Syrian movement called the "March 14 Forces," report that Hizbullah masterminded a plan that would result in the killing of innocents in Qana, in an attempt to foil Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's "Seven Points Plan" calling for deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon and the disarming of Hizbullah. The magazine reported:

"We have it from a credible source that Hezbollah, alarmed by Siniora's plan, has concocted an incident that would help thwart the negotiations.... Hezbollah gunmen placed a rocket launcher on the roof in Qana and brought disabled children inside, in a bid to provoke a response by the Israeli Air Force. In this way, they were planning to take advantage of the death of innocents and curtail the diplomatic initiative," the site stated.

LOL, one of the most stupid article i ever read.
so the famillies of the victims and all the population of Quana did not notice Hizbollah placing a rocket launcher on the roof of a building??

the version detailed is a conspiracy theory came up with by the GOC (Guardians of the Cedar), a christian extremist group that claims that Lebanon is not arab but Phoenician. It was actually associated with the 1st quana massacre, and now recycled for the second quana.

the actual article (in french) states that the source is "usually well informed", and doesn't have an author (how convenient)

Besides the fact that the 7 points plan was actually rejected by Israel, and approved by Hezbollah.

Short answer: probably not.
Long Answer: There will always be hatred for the jews in the middle east as long as Israel exists, parents will teach their children to hate jews and their children will teach their children. Groups like Hezbollah and Hamas will be around for a long time to threaten israel, and israelis will hate them, the circle of hatred is complete.

Just so you know, Hezbollah was created AS A RESULT of te 82 Israeli invasion. They were not there to threaten israel, but as a legitimate resistance.

 

[Glockmatic]

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/qana-directors-cut.html

hezbollah sending their own into Qana to take pictures

Just so you know, Hezbollah was created AS A RESULT of te 82 Israeli invasion. They were not there to threaten israel, but as a legitimate resistance.

They've called for the destruction of Israel, if they are a resistance force they wouldn't attack israels civilian population with rockets they'd attack the israeli army

 

[XIAN]

Tru and Khaled- if I were there with you, I'd join Hizbollah and kick those Zionist scum the fuck outta there. There are sooo many Americans behind you, despite whatever our government says/does!
~peace~

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

Tru and Khaled- if I were there with you, I'd join Hizbollah and kick those Zionist scum the fuck outta there. There are sooo many Americans behind you, despite whatever our government says/does!
~peace~

Ur not getting their points... Hezbollah is in the wrong... Iran is fighting their war on lebanese land which is cowardly and fucking devious. A long time a go Lebanon tryed to make a tready with Isrealies but they(hez) assasinated the man in charge of it all.

the outcome now is the innocent people are in the cross fire and US tv is extremly bias making ppl view lebanon is a negative light.. so more ppl get a misconception thinking that lebanon is part of hezbollah...which is entirly incorrect.


at the end Hezbollah is Irans tool or bitch and the majority of intellegent lebanese people dont agree with their "mission" or views.

Hopfully hez doesnt move 2ward the north more and destroy the county entirely...

 

[Khaled]

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/qana-directors-cut.html

hezbollah sending their own into Qana to take pictures

you will find pics and Hezb artifacts in almost ever Shia house in Lebanon.
regardless, Hezb is not just a militia, it's also a social network of Schools, Hospitals, social services, volunteers and politicians that stretches from southern beirut to the eastern and southern borders, so its only normal to have members of hezb helping to extrace the bodiers.

I still dont understand what this article is trying to prove??

They've called for the destruction of Israel, if they are a resistance force they wouldn't attack israels civilian population with rockets they'd attack the israeli army

hasn't israel called for the elimination of Hezbollah????

Hezbolllah always attacked The army, they just target civillians as a response when lebanese civilliansd are targeted.
When has Hezbollah not targeted the army when they had the chance. just compare casualties on both sides. Israel killed more than 900 civillians, with 50 to 80 hezbollah fighters dead according to Lebanese army (most trusted source on the ground)
on the other hand, Hezbollah has killed more IDF soldiers than civillians.

Tru and Khaled- if I were there with you, I'd join Hizbollah and kick those Zionist scum the fuck outta there. There are sooo many Americans behind you, despite whatever our government says/does!
~peace~

lol, i would but im not Shia.

This is a very common mistake to think that Hezbollah are similar to hamas or the intifada. Hezbollah are a real guerilla army, trained in Iran by the republican guard. At the same time, any militant who dies fighting Israel, Hezbollah pays a huge salary to his familly for life. What i don't understand is what is wrong with Israel sending 20 year old children idf soldiers to fight the highly trained fearless Militant that are willing to die

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

LOL, one of the most stupid article i ever read.
so the famillies of the victims and all the population of Quana did not notice Hizbollah placing a rocket launcher on the roof of a building??

the version detailed is a conspiracy theory came up with by the GOC (Guardians of the Cedar), a christian extremist group that claims that Lebanon is not arab but Phoenician.

This is true my friend.... Lebanese people are not true Arabs even the Muslims are not Arabs... Arabic is the official language, but the Lebanese constitution does not include the word Arab anywhere, sorry to burst your bubble. Extensive study revealed that the Lebanese people are derived from the Phoenician or what the Greeks called them Canaanites.

However the argument is not who is what , it the 7 year old girl on TV who lost her eye .

1 of Lebanon’s biggest problems is its obsession with not bonding it self and playing the whole game of whose Muslim or who’s Catholic and fighting over it... remember that lil civil war almost 20 years ago. ya its kinda hard 2 4get.

They need to get over this ignorance and do what’s good for the country.

Just so you know, Hezbollah was created AS A RESULT of te 82 Israeli invasion. They were not there to threaten israel, but as a legitimate resistance.

Lebanon is not for Hezaballah armed thugs or their Mohammedans .They don’t give a fuck about anybody. Yea they are so fucking good were they use lebanon to fight their fuked up war on ...

GET THIS ... taking Israel off the map is a great goal to have in life.... wtf cant these ppl just live and try to be peace full at least for all the innocent kids sake.. Like they give a fuck.

Why not fight on Irans land or Syrias land..? Why Lebanon ? Protest or maybe meet with some leaders .... dont let Lebanon become a battle field.. .


Israel is a super power when Hez is just a bunch of dumb asses throwing rocks that Iran supplied them... Its like a 130 pound kid trying to fight a 500 pound guy. If they had any intelligence or brain they would try other means…. Other then trying to start a Jihad that no 1 is apart of..


• Knowledge is life with wings. ~ Kahlil Gibran

 

[Glockmatic]

you will find pics and Hezb artifacts in almost ever Shia house in Lebanon.
regardless, Hezb is not just a militia, it's also a social network of Schools, Hospitals, social services, volunteers and politicians that stretches from southern beirut to the eastern and southern borders, so its only normal to have members of hezb helping to extrace the bodiers.

I still dont understand what this article is trying to prove??

manipulation of hezbollah to stir hatred for the israelis. Hezbollah does a lot of community things, but if they wanted to help the lebanese people more they would disarm.

hasn't israel called for the elimination of Hezbollah????

Hezbolllah always attacked The army, they just target civillians as a response when lebanese civilliansd are targeted.
When has Hezbollah not targeted the army when they had the chance. just compare casualties on both sides. Israel killed more than 900 civillians, with 50 to 80 hezbollah fighters dead according to Lebanese army (most trusted source on the ground)
on the other hand, Hezbollah has killed more IDF soldiers than civillians.

Israel is a sovereign state, Hezbollah is a group of militants.

Attacking civilians because civilians have been attacked doesn't solve shit. A resistance force doesn't target the other countries civilians with daily rocket attacks, thats what terrorists do.

 

[Morris]

Hezbolllah always attacked The army, they just target civillians as a response when lebanese civilliansd are targeted.

The first thing Hezbollah did on July 12 was fire a rocket barrage at Israeli towns. They used that as a distraction to ambush an Israeli patrol across the border, kidnapping and killing soldiers. The very first act of this war was a Hezbollah attack on civilians.

Even disregarding that, the suggestion that Hezbollah only retaliates because Lebanese civilians get killed is refuted by the fact that Hezbollah is intentionally causing civilian casualties by using residential zones for military operations.

I still dont understand what this article is trying to prove??

It doesn't really prove anything, except that people on the ground there were hamming it up for the media. That happens frequently, mostly because the media want to make drama out of things.

When has Hezbollah not targeted the army when they had the chance. just compare casualties on both sides.

The numbers prove absolutely nothing when taken out of context. The fact that more Lebanese have died doesn't make Israel the aggressor in the conflict. Besides, earlier in this post I already explained that Hezbollah started this thing by targeting civilians.

I don't really understand your point anyway. Hezbollah will shoot at any Israeli it can. They couldn't care less if it's IDF or civilian.

Israel killed more than 900 civillians, with 50 to 80 hezbollah fighters dead according to Lebanese army (most trusted source on the ground)

Lebanese sources have been wrong throughout the conflict regarding numbers. Their official casualty count is about 300 higher than every other agency and media source keeping count. Their casualty count in the Qana attack was 57 when the actual number of casualties was under 30.

Hezbollah itself is the source for claiming it's lost about 40 fighters. Israel says it's more like 400. The best guess would be well inbetween.

What i don't understand is what is wrong with Israel sending 20 year old children idf soldiers to fight the highly trained fearless Militant that are willing to die

It's not like the IDF is poorly trained. In terms of urban warfare it's the best military machine on the planet. A ground offensive against trained militants who are incredibly well dug in will produce casualties , so the age of the IDF soldiers isn't the problem.

 

[Morris]

according to Lebanese army (most trusted source on the ground)

Example: Today, after announcing tearfully that an Israeli airstrike killed 40, Lebanon's PM later admitted that the strike killed 1. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060807...OAUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
I'm not even sure how that could happen. Who initially falsified or guessed there were 40 people there if only 1 corpse could be accounted for?

In urban warfare, accurate #s are almost impossible to calculate during the fighting. That's why it's the media's responsibility not to report #s given to them by any side as fact, which they continue to keep doing (whether reporting Qana's 57 as fact or today's 40 as fact)

Also, for those who continue to insist that Hezbollah doesn't use human shields, or that Israel is deliberately targeting UN peacekeepers, this little "incident" garnered a sentence in the report today.

U.N. peacekeepers at a post near Houla reported Hezbollah fired rockets toward Israel twice Monday from positions near the UNIFIL base.

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

isreal needs 2 stop targeting lil kids.....

this whole war is getting out of hand..

 

[Jurhum]

Attacking civilians because civilians have been attacked doesn't solve shit. A resistance force doesn't target the other countries civilians with daily rocket attacks, thats what terrorists do.

Of course, it's easy to label them terrorists. As a matter of a fact, any Arab resistance is labeled terrorist.

However, when Israel bombs the shit out of Beirut, that's just self defense.

As a matter of a fact, most Israeli casualties are armed forces. On the other hand, most Lebanese causalities are civilians. But, no one really care about that. Since Israel is backed by America, no one dares to critique Israel.

Just like Morris, look how quick he was to criticize Lebanon for mistakenly reporting that 40 people died in the attack. Yet, when Israel bombed that building in Qana, he was so adamant in defending it.

That's exactly why I stayed out of this thread for the most part.

 

[Glockmatic]

Going into a sovereign country, killing 3 soldiers and kidnapping 2 others is not resistance.

I'm not saying Israel is perfectly right on this, they should've gone the diplomatic route first and refrain from such heavy bombings. But hezbollah isn't some heroic and noble cause, they call for the destruction of israel and as Nasrallah said "if they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.".

 

[Glockmatic]

Lebanon just pledged 15,000 soldiers to south lebanon when israel withdraws