Is there a limit to the amount of times a woman can have abortion?

[THA WILD]

Do you ever spare a thought for the poor sperm you waste when you masturbate or have protected sex? Sperm is a living entity, a human life, and you are killing it. How can you sleep at night?

A human life is conceived when one of the many sperm meets the egg. A sperm by itself does not constitute a human life. Nice try though.

What about the 'morning after pill', are you against that? That is, in the view of many, a form of abortion.

Well, do you think I'm for it?

 

[cdawg]

well here in manitoba...a girl is only allowed to have 3 abortions

 

[Illuminattile]

A human life is conceived when one of the many sperm meets the egg. A sperm by itself does not constitute a human life. Nice try though.

"Human life: This is any living entity that has DNA from the species homo sapiens. This includes an ovum, spermatozoon, zygote, embryo, fetus, newborn."
By that definition (and, obviously, there are varying definitions) sperm is human life. A sperm cell is, potentially, a human being. Just because it doesn't look like a human being, doesn't mean it isn't one.

Well, do you think I'm for it?

I'd assume, from your response, that you're not. That then suggests to me that you're quite happy for children to be born into families unwilling or incapable of caring for them. Is ruining an unborn child's life by allowing them to be born into a family that cannot support them any less of a 'sin' than ending an unborn child's life?

 

[SicC]

moved to wow.

pz

 

[Florida123]

give life a chance...you'll be surprised how many times the downtrodden and "against all odds" people become some of the biggest contributors to society because they take nothing for granted

i'm talking about putting the kid up for adoption...obviously there are pros and cons, but at least the person would have a chance to live his or her ife without it being taken away unjustly

 

[Glockmatic]

Religion should not govern how people can live their lives, we don't live in a theocracy

 

[Florida123]

the law and personal opinion are two different entities, obviously...just to clarify:

my position is one of apathy towards the law...legal or illegal, it, matters not to me...i just have my views and i would never impose them upon anyone else, only share my opinion

i don't think abortion would ever become illegal, but as far as your comment about the seperation of church and state, that is a very touchy issue

there is a large gray area where the lines are blurred between religion and government

all i will say is that if religion and government were really seperated, then george w. bush would not have won the presidential race

 

[THA WILD]

By that definition (and, obviously, there are varying definitions) sperm is human life. A sperm cell is, potentially, a human being. Just because it doesn't look like a human being, doesn't mean it isn't one.

Well, my definition of the creation of human life is an egg that has been fertilized by sperm. That is the point of conception.

I'd assume, from your response, that you're not. That then suggests to me that you're quite happy for children to be born into families unwilling or incapable of caring for them. Is ruining an unborn child's life by allowing them to be born into a family that cannot support them any less of a 'sin' than ending an unborn child's life?

Here's a very unpopular, but common-sense idea to prevent a problem like unwanted pregnancies: They shouldn't have sex, unless they really want a baby, and have the resources to provide for that baby. Would it kill them to keep it in their pants, if they're not ready for such a responsibility?

 

[Luv4Pac4Ever]

Here's a very unpopular, but common-sense idea to prevent a problem like unwanted pregnancies: They shouldn't have sex, unless they really want a baby, and have the resources to provide for that baby. Would it kill them to keep it in their pants, if they're not ready for such a responsibility?

Although very true, it's not always the way it happens, sadly. My mom's neighbor is just 15 yrs old and is pregnant. She herself has had a hard life, being raised by her grandparents because her crackhead mom didn't give a damn about her. Her grandfather passed away last year and now her and her grandmother survive solely off of social security. Now is that a place to bring a baby into? Obviously not, and she had made up her mind that she was having an abortion. That is until she went to the doctor last week and heard the heartbeat for the first time, she changed her mind. Now I don't know how in the world this girl, a mere child herself, is going to care for this baby but I sure wish her all the luck in the world because for sure it's gonna be hard.

 

[Eric]

This stuff is really making me depressed.

 

[imported_MAKaveli_10]

I dunno.

I used to work in a doctors surgery part-time when I was a student. And one girl there had 6 abortions. They told her she shouldn't have any more.

Damn how the hell can you have six abortions didn't she use birthcontrol or condoms. Thats is soooo nasty. I dont think over 3 can be very good.

 

[Luv4Pac4Ever]

^That's the ones they need to just go ahead and sterilize. That's ridiculous and you're right, that can't be good. I'm surprised she is still able to conceive, all that scraping and vaccuming, if that was the method used, had to have done some kind of damage. If the method was medicine, I dunno, too much of that stuff can't be good either. I guess it depends on how much time was between each pregnancy. Having them one after the other without much time in between has to leave some kind of damage.
I just don't agree with abortion. Unless there's some kind of situation where the child is severely deformed or has a condition that will not allow it to live very long after birth, I don't believe in them. After seeing pictures of aborted fetuses, especially the partial birth ones, I cried. I know there's no way I could ever do it, unless it was a situation that I said before.

 

[makadon]

Abortion is only remcomended by doctors when there are severe complications. Their is no doctor that ever recomends abortion unless there is a problem with the mother or baby. Does that anwser your question?

 

[Amara]

Here's a very unpopular, but common-sense idea to prevent a problem like unwanted pregnancies: They shouldn't have sex, unless they really want a baby, and have the resources to provide for that baby. Would it kill them to keep it in their pants, if they're not ready for such a responsibility?

Is ruining an unborn child's life by allowing them to be born into a family that cannot support them any less of a 'sin' than ending an unborn child's life?

While THA WILD makes a good point, that people need to understand the consequences of their actions and be prepared to face the responsibility, it's a simple but unfortunate reality that people just dont think like that. It's sad that sex is devalued for its primary role and is rather just a selfish method of physical fulfilment.

At the same time I can understand Illuminattile's stand point, how does ending a life prematurely compare preventing the likelihood of yet another unwanted child growing up in an unstable familial environment? In a sense both perpetuate the cycle of irresponsibility and the break down of family values.

As for the topic question, surely going through the unpleasant process of an abortion and degradation of your dignity once is more than enough, (the thought of going through with it at all scares me). Multiple abortions seems to me to be taking advantage of modern society and medicine whilst devaluing the beauty and excitement that parenthood can bring.

 

[not really ken]

THA WILD, I never advocated abortion neither do I do so. I'm propably stood in between you and Illuminattile. I don't condone abortion per se, but to disregard the option completely is one sides and irrational. The fact that there maybe 1 out of every hundered cases where the mother life is in grave danger if she continues with the pregnancy then that is enough to allow abortion for a 'mitigating circumstance'. but the 1 out of every hundered figure is just a random number pulled out of thin air by you.
there are also cases of rape, child molestation (girls of 6 are known to have had kids , but lets call it between 12 and 14), disable or mentally ill people etc etc

the fact that you fail to even acknowledge these situations shows your lack of accomodation in your opinion for 'other'.

I disagree with Illuminattile, to throw abortion around as an option for fear of poverty and unstable family environment etc is a little slack in attitudes towards certain things.

 

[Illuminattile]

Here's a very unpopular, but common-sense idea to prevent a problem like unwanted pregnancies: They shouldn't have sex, unless they really want a baby, and have the resources to provide for that baby. Would it kill them to keep it in their pants, if they're not ready for such a responsibility?

That's all well and good, and of course I agree with that, but we're not talking about prevention of unwanted pregnancies. We're talking about what action should be taken when someone is pregnant with a child they don't want.

You have a blanket approach to the issue, an approach which may well come from your religious stance, which doesn't 'work' in the real world. You can't take an absolute position on this issue and disregard all the different circumstances. A categorical rejection of abortion as an option is not a valid argument. I hope you're not so bound by your beliefs that you can't see the other side of the argument.

give life a chance...you'll be surprised how many times the downtrodden and "against all odds" people become some of the biggest contributors to society because they take nothing for granted
i'm talking about putting the kid up for adoption...obviously there are pros and cons, but at least the person would have a chance to live his or her ife without it being taken away unjustly

Adoption, in my opinion, should be the first choice for a woman who doesn't want to keep her child. As long as there aren't negative consequences of going through childbirth, to either child or parent, I think that adoption should be the first decision. Abortion should be a last resort.

 

[Pittsey]

I have no problem with abortion. I am pro.

You're all entitled to your opinion. But in the end it's legal, so keep preaching, but it doesn't change a thing.

 

[not really ken]

You can't take an absolute position on this issue and disregard all the different circumstances. A categorical rejection of abortion as an option is not a valid argument.

I don't condone abortion per se, but to disregard the option completely is one sided and irrational

:thumb: :thumb:

 

[The.Menace]

A categorical rejection of abortion as an option is not a valid argument.

I agree. Abortation should be like the last option if you really don't want the child. I'm pro that but it's clear that you should have protected sex etc so you don't need an abortation.....for me it's a methode if something else failed you know. Accidents do happen and I think it's legit to "use" abortation then. But it's the last option, anyone should take care about some things before it's even nesessary to aborte a child.

 

[Bina]

Abortion is only remcomended by doctors when there are severe complications. Their is no doctor that ever recomends abortion unless there is a problem with the mother or baby. Does that anwser your question?

But loads of women can get abortions done without doctors consent- there used to be 'backstreet' abortion clinics when they were illegal.

I dont think there is a limit to the number of times u can have an abortion, but every time u do, there is a risk of becomeing infertile- so the more u do it, the higher the risks.