Iran to hang teenage girl attacked by rapists

[RFTP]

LMAO at 'living in a peaceful and humane society'. what world are you living in buddy? do you know there are more women and children being/are raped and killed in the U.S alone than the whole islamic world put together? Sure Iranian law sucks and Unislamic but hardly cases such as this one occurs.

I can't believe people use that as an argument. So you're telling me that a saudi woman would have NO TROUBLE at all saying to whoever that she was raped (by her husband or someone else, doesn't matter really)? It's cause they don't report it cause the women are too afraid to say that. They'd get killed in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Irak, Afghanistan and more. So don't come up with that bullshit cause that shit is flawed!

Get the facts man, the top 30 countries with rape percentages are western countries, yeah they're clearly 'peaceful and humane'.
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In sweden, if a girl says no while u're trying to have sex with her and u continue she can charge you for rape. So you believe that a woman in Iran that says No to her husband(or whoever) will be listened by her husband? Of course not, don't kid yourself and she will most likely not feel that she's been raped. The difference in the ideology is that they believe that the womans body belongs to the satisfaction of the husband, unlike in western countries where a womans body is HERS only and her right (which is also a reason to why abortion is allowed in these countries cause they believe that her body is HERS only and noone can take that right from her).

Dont go on about western societies as if they're murder, Rape, Kidnapping, abuse etc free, they top the list man,
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Well lets see, Put person A in a home where she doesn't go out at all and put person B in a place she can go out and in and meet new folks. Eventually they're bound to meet idiots like the man that raped her.

women are more likely to be raped and killed in the West than any part of the world, and you can't argue that.
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My dick is more likely to be protected by diseases if I always keep it in my pants. Meaning, if she never leaves the nest, of course she won't be hit by any of those possible things. Stay home, you won't be hit by thunder!



EDIT; Don't know who edited my post but I just want to say this; I know this isn't about Islam but I'm sick of people that have to turn this into west vs muslims, like teck did. I'm a muslim too but I can't stand such bullshit like "they are more rapevictims in west then in any islamic country" cause that shit is not true!!!!

 

[S O F I]

Chronic and Puff, Katarina is right. The way the law works is, you can only fight back with the same force used against you. Ie: If somebody punches you in the face, you can punch them back, but you cannot take out a gun or knife and shoot them or stab them. However, if you live in Texas, they have this unwritten law of "needed killing". Therefore , the girl would probably not be jailed in Texas, but everywhere else. However, the media and the US population would see her and depict her as a hero, while the court system would put her behind bars, either juvenile or whatever.

 

[PuffnScruff]

I can't believe people use that as an argument. So you're telling me that a saudi woman would have NO TROUBLE at all saying to whoever that she was raped (by her husband or someone else, doesn't matter really)? It's cause they don't report it cause the women are too afraid to say that. They'd get killed in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Irak, Afghanistan and more. So don't come up with that bullshit cause that shit is flawed!

he's right. i would bet everything i own if the women werent scared to report these acts over there or if they were even taken serious the numbers would be much higher than "the top 30 countries with rape percentages" that are western countries

 

[PuffnScruff]

Chronic and Puff, Katarina is right. The way the law works is, you can only fight back with the same force used against you. Ie: If somebody punches you in the face, you can punch them back, but you cannot take out a gun or knife and shoot them or stab them. However, if you live in Texas, they have this unwritten law of "needed killing". Therefore , the girl would probably not be jailed in Texas, but everywhere else. However, the media and the US population would see her and depict her as a hero, while the court system would put her behind bars, either juvenile or whatever.

when you say everywhere else do you mean other countries or in the u.s.?

in the u.s. she would have a trial by jury. so i dont think it is fair to say she would put behind bars. jurys are unpredictable. i wouldnt see any jury in the states convicting a young girl for defending herself.

 

[Jokerman]

Where's the worldwide Muslim fury at this story? No Iranian embassies set on fire? No AK-47s shot in the air? No innocent people killed? No boycotts? No death threats?

 

[two187pac]

Um no. If you stab someone to death when they're trying to rape you, you'll most likely end up in jail. Most western countries do not have the death sentence so murder wouldn't mean that you get hanged, but there was a case in Finland where the woman had been abused and raped by her husband for years and she finally escaped. He came after her and threatened to kill her, so she took a gun and shot him. I think she got like 13 years for that.

are you serious. obviously the right choice is get raped by a filthy stranger. good idea.

 

[S O F I]

when you say everywhere else do you mean other countries or in the u.s.?

in the u.s. she would have a trial by jury. so i dont think it is fair to say she would put behind bars. jurys are unpredictable. i wouldnt see any jury in the states convicting a young girl for defending herself.

I meant everywhere in the US. Juries are chosen by both the defense and the ones leading the charge. My math teacher went to college in Texas and taught there for a while. There was a case of a teenage girl accusing her doctor of rape. My math teacher was called for jury duty, but was denied a spot by the defense because she was a middle school teacher at the time and that would affect her judgement. You see where I'm going with this?

As for the Texas thing, there's one particular case where a husband was beating his woman in a parking lot. Some random guy was passing by and saw the guy beating the wife, and simply shot him. He was not convicted of murder because the guy beating the wife "needed killing". LOL

 

[S O F I]

Where's the worldwide Muslim fury at this story? No Iranian embassies set on fire? No AK-47s shot in the air? No innocent people killed? No boycotts? No death threats?

Islam was not targeted here. Hello?! :laugh: :horny:

 

[Jokerman]

Islam was not targeted here.

Oh, no? Muslims regularly assert that Western imperialism has offended their dignity, their pride, and their honor. Can anyone point to a greater offender of Muslim dignity than Islamic law itself? Who are those improbable creatures scurrying about in shrouds and being regularly beaten for showing an exposed ankle?

They are the dignified women of the House of Islam.

 

[PuffnScruff]

I meant everywhere in the US. Juries are chosen by both the defense and the ones leading the charge. My math teacher went to college in Texas and taught there for a while. There was a case of a teenage girl accusing her doctor of rape. My math teacher was called for jury duty, but was denied a spot by the defense because she was a middle school teacher at the time and that would affect her judgement. You see where I'm going with this?

As for the Texas thing, there's one particular case where a husband was beating his woman in a parking lot. Some random guy was passing by and saw the guy beating the wife, and simply shot him. He was not convicted of murder because the guy beating the wife "needed killing". LOL

yeah i see your point.

that guy passing by who shot the man beating his wife deserved to be punished. i mean that guy shouldnt have shot and killed the man. give him a good ass kicking maybe,or call the police at least, but the guy was wrong to shoot the man no matter how crappy of a person the man beating his wife was.

 

[Freedom Froggy]

would it make a difference if i thru out "sunni" and shite"?

 

[S O F I]

Oh, no? Muslims regularly assert that Western imperialism has offended their dignity, their pride, and their honor. Can anyone point to a greater offender of Muslim dignity than Islamic law itself? Who are those improbable creatures scurrying about in shrouds and being regularly beaten for showing an exposed ankle?

They are the dignified women of the House of Islam.

Are you saying that the law that gives prosecutors the right to hang the girl is directly derived from the Quran?

 

[Helena]

I sick of these fucking muslim countrys with there die hard religious beliefs.Im sorry if i insult but a lot of the religion is bullshit and barbaric.I mean women are treated as second class citizens.Then they have the nerve to view all western people are evil.

A lot of the religion is bullshit and barbaric? No it isn't. Women are teated as second class citizens? No they arn't. They view all western people as evil? No they fucking don't. So stfu

What happened with that girl was tragic. The Law in Iran is fucked up.

 

[TecK NeeX]

I can't believe people use that as an argument. So you're telling me that a saudi woman would have NO TROUBLE at all saying to whoever that she was raped (by her husband or someone else, doesn't matter really)? It's cause they don't report it cause the women are too afraid to say that. They'd get killed in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Irak, Afghanistan and more.

And i can't believe people are still using your argument. this is no more than an opinion/guess because noone not even you know that acts such as abuse and rape are taking place TO report in the first place. just cause so little is being reported doesn't mean women are afraid to. The possibility that no rape is happening is just as good as "they're afraid to report it" possibility. Saudi Arabia executed 30 males convicted of rape since 2000, so obviously they are being reported.


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap

Saudi Arabia is in 52nd place with 87 rapes, are they not being reported?

In sweden, if a girl says no while u're trying to have sex with her and u continue she can charge you for rape.

Know the law man, she can charge you with rape but it aint in the books unless it is proven with facts and evidence, in most cases such as the one you mentioned when its a he say she say the case is dismissed, so that was worthless

So you believe that a woman in Iran that says No to her husband(or whoever) will be listened by her husband?

Just who the hell do you think are to know what goes on between every Iranian couple in their private time? None of us can answer that question so dont even try bringing it up. Jesus and you're critizing my arguments when you're using ones such as this one? thats laughable. my guess and your guess is just about as good as that of a monkey's. But ill hazard a guess and say that 99% of the time the husband will listen and the other 1% who are abusive and controlling wont.

Of course not, don't kid yourself and she will most likely not feel that she's been raped. The difference in the ideology is that they believe that the womans body belongs to the satisfaction of the husband,

Just who exactly are you speaking of when you say "they"? and how do you know "they" in their mind feel that their wife is tool of enjoyment? speak for yourself, you need to learn that, seriously

Well lets see, Put person A in a home where she doesn't go out at all and put person B in a place she can go out and in and meet new folks. Eventually they're bound to meet idiots like the man that raped her.

My dick is more likely to be protected by diseases if I always keep it in my pants. Meaning, if she never leaves the nest, of course she won't be hit by any of those possible things. Stay home, you won't be hit by thunder!

I can't believe im reading this, you're about as ignorant as the rest of these guys. you must have lived all your life in the west and know nothing about the Middle East and abroad, i just came back from a six month vacation, i visited six Middle Eastern nations + Malaysia and i could tell you that i saw more females in shopping centers, restaurants, work places, parks and such than i did males. the whole Islamic world aint a Taliban-like society. "never leaving the nest" you know fuck all man

EDIT; Don't know who edited my post but I just want to say this; I know this isn't about Islam but I'm sick of people that have to turn this into west vs muslims, like teck did. I'm a muslim too but I can't stand such bullshit like "they are more rapevictims in west then in any islamic country" cause that shit is not true!!!!

Obviously you totaly misunderstood my post, I wasn't trying to make this an East VS. West thread, Jamie and that other dude already did. my argument was in reply to jamie Uk fan when he suggested the west should invade and turn islamic countries into 'peaceful and humane societies like the west as if they're free of crime when in reality its much worse.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Oh, no? Muslims regularly assert that Western imperialism has offended their dignity, their pride, and their honor. Can anyone point to a greater offender of Muslim dignity than Islamic law itself? Who are those improbable creatures scurrying about in shrouds and being regularly beaten for showing an exposed ankle?

They are the dignified women of the House of Islam.

Will people stop fucking generalizing? seriously, you dont see me labeling all western chicks dog, goat and horse fuckers and other animals like millions of them do in the beastuality industry do you?

 

[Khaled]

i think the only thing more stupid than the law is the girl. Why the hell did she confess?

 

[RFTP]

And i can't believe people are still using your argument. this is no more than an opinion/guess because noone not even you know that acts such as abuse and rape are taking place TO report in the first place. just cause so little is being reported doesn't mean women are afraid to. The possibility that no rape is happening is just as good as "they're afraid to report it" possibility. Saudi Arabia executed 30 males convicted of rape since 2000, so obviously they are being reported.

I can believe you actually believe in what you say. You're saying that a woman in Iran (example) has no absolute fear to go the policedepartement and talk about beeing raped (by her husband or whoever) If you REALLY believe this then discussion ends here cause I know very well how things goes on in Iran and Afghanistan (one of themost conservatives).

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap

Saudi Arabia is in 52nd place with 87 rapes, are they not being reported?

Sure there are beeing reported but I'm very sure that there are unreported rapes aswell, specially if its in the family.

Know the law man, she can charge you with rape but it aint in the books unless it is proven with facts and evidence, in most cases such as the one you mentioned when its a he say she say the case is dismissed, so that was worthless

In sweden they take a girls testimony ahead of a mans. In most cases, the woman have won. What's to prove really? That her pussy got torned apart? If she gets fucked and she said NO, clearly and u still do it u will be convited with rape. That case will be as clear as crystal.

Just who the hell do you think are to know what goes on between every Iranian couple in their private time? None of us can answer that question so dont even try bringing it up. Jesus and you're critizing my arguments when you're using ones such as this one? thats laughable.

It was one of the scenarios of a rapecase. I didn't say that this is what specifically happens! What you failed to understand with that is that in western countries a womans body is HER right only and HER property. This is not shared in alot of islamic countries, such as iran.

my guess and your guess is just about as good as that of a monkey's. But ill hazard a guess and say that 99% of the time the husband will listen and the other 1% who are abusive and controlling wont.

No actually, you fail to understand that what you don't hear/read/see doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You can hear old folks talk about the "good old times" where criminality was little to nothing and HOW it has increasd drastically. But what they don't understand is that the coverge we get today is up to 90% (be it TV or newspaper or Internet).

Just who exactly are you speaking of when you say "they"? and how do you know "they" in their mind feel that their wife is tool of enjoyment? speak for yourself, you need to learn that, seriously

They, as the men, the goverment etc. Don't tell me it's not like this cause I KNOW how it's like in Iran. Very well aware of it.

I can't believe im reading this, you're about as ignorant as the rest of these guys. you must have lived all your life in the west and know nothing about the Middle East and abroad, i just came back from a six month vacation, i visited six Middle Eastern nations + Malaysia and i could tell you that i saw more females in shopping centers, restaurants, work places, parks and such than i did males. the whole Islamic world aint a Taliban-like society. "never leaving the nest" you know fuck all man

Obviously I wasn't speaking of all Middle-easten countries but from the most conservatives one that's just how it is. Plus your taking your own experience as a way of proof that they do leave the nest. First of all don't take that litterally, second, if you claim that any of these women have as much freedom as the ones in West then your dellusional.

Obviously you totaly misunderstood my post, I wasn't trying to make this an East VS. West thread, Jamie and that other dude already did. my argument was in reply to jamie Uk fan when he suggested the west should invade and turn islamic countries into 'peaceful and humane societies like the west as if they're free of crime when in reality its much worse.

The boring stuff of this whole debate is that I feel us muslims try to portrait countries and our religion too well. Why bother, if someone is interested let him seek to the knowledge. I didn't read his comment as I mostly skip through bullshit posts like that (ain't worth responding too really) but the reason I responded to this is cause I feel alot of muslims are trying to spread propaganda using their societies as examples where there is major flaws. I don't know.. I'm off to bed anyway...

 

[Duke]

Most rapes go unreported, wherever you are. Trusting those statistics is idiocy.

And in *most* Western countries, it's not "legal" to kill someone who is trying to rape you, but given the circumstances (getting raped and all) the victims usually don't get severe punishment, and rightly so imo.

What happens in Iran is appaling, but it hasn't got much to do with Islam on itself. More with a crooked country and bad leaders.

 

[TecK NeeX]

I can believe you actually believe in what you say. You're saying that a woman in Iran (example) has no absolute fear to go the policedepartement and talk about beeing raped (by her husband or whoever) If you REALLY believe this then discussion ends here cause I know very well how things goes on in Iran and Afghanistan (one of themost conservatives).

"No absolute fear"? no i never said that, some do and some dont, plus i thought we were talking about Saudi Arabia the country you brought up, not Iran, The fear to report a rape is found in every country. so if the rape count in Iran or Saudi Arabia would rise if that wasn't present than so would all countries.

Sure there are beeing reported but I'm very sure that there are unreported rapes aswell, specially if its in the family.

I'm also pretty sure that there are unreported rapes in the west as well, CNN had a show on teengae schoolgirls who dont even think about reporting a rape in fear of backlash from the accused's friends and being labeled a lier etc. many go unreported everywhere!

In sweden they take a girls testimony ahead of a mans. In most cases, the woman have won. What's to prove really? That her pussy got torned apart? If she gets fucked and she said NO, clearly and u still do it u will be convited with rape. That case will be as clear as crystal.

Well if her pussy got tortured than thats a proven case now isn't it? so your point of sweden recording all kinds of alleged rape is not true, only proven and actuall ones..

It was one of the scenarios of a rapecase. I didn't say that this is what specifically happens! What you failed to understand with that is that in western countries a womans body is HER right only and HER property. This is not shared in alot of islamic countries, such as iran.

Again you're accusing millions of Iranians of viewing their wives as possessions. thats absolutely unknowable, you can't make such an accusation and neither can i oppose it. Because we simply don't, know we're not all knowing, you of all people should know that. I'm not trying to deny the fact that some Muslims do control their wives, However, that happens everywhere in the world including the west.

They, as the men, the goverment etc. Don't tell me it's not like this cause I KNOW how it's like in Iran. Very well aware of it.

Are you serious? WHY do many people here love to generalize? "the Men" as in all men see their wife only for satisfaction? get real! you dont know them and you haven't got a pint size of a right to accuse them of that. Again dont speak for others you have neither met or even herd of.

Obviously I wasn't speaking of all Middle-easten countries but from the most conservatives one that's just how it is. Plus your taking your own experience as a way of proof that they do leave the nest. First of all don't take that litterally, second, if you claim that any of these women have as much freedom as the ones in West then your dellusional.

So we went from never leaving the nest, meaning hardly leaving the house to having as much freedom as the females in the west, thats a big jump, the point i was trying to make is the opportunity for rape is definitely there. period, That's the reason you used to explain the low rape cases in those countries wasnt it? i'm pretty sure it is

The boring stuff of this whole debate is that I feel us muslims try to portrait countries and our religion too well. Why bother, if someone is interested let him seek to the knowledge. I didn't read his comment as I mostly skip through bullshit posts like that (ain't worth responding too really) but the reason I responded to this is cause I feel alot of muslims are trying to spread propaganda using their societies as examples where there is major flaws. I don't know.. I'm off to bed anyway...

Well i really suggest you read what im replying to before you reply to me. I'm not trying to paint an imaginary image of all Islamic countries like they're some of the best societies to live in, No, i have the right to defend my beliefs and point to the Ignorant that the dream world they live in is equally as bad as the rest in many different ways.

 

[Little Skittle]

i think the only thing more stupid than the law is the girl. Why the hell did she confess?

I think the only thing more stupid than this law, is you. Is this seriously a question? She confessed because there was evidence against her and (like any human being) assumed she wouldn't be killed for protecting herself. I wonder what the advice of her lawyer would've been, had she been granted the right to have one.