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^^Good points. But I think AI will evolve into the dominant life-form before any species here on earth does.
Minardi said:I believe some sea creatures like the octopus might evolve into something really intelligent, it got the tentacles to create and form things and is a quite clever creature, if the humans didnt have the hands (especially the thump) we wouldnt have evolved the way we did, but will the tentacles be as importent for them as the hands where for us. As a sidenote intelligent life in water would look totally diffrent then in air, where fire meant hell of alot for us humans, what would sea creatures be able to control in a way that would help them advance further?
octopuses have developed other stuff like camouflage, fleeing using ink clouds, using seashells as shields, thier speed, strong tentacles with good grip, and a brain like no other in the sea, also dolphins are quite clever but needs something wich can hold things similar to a hand or tentacles
Also small insects like ants and bees are quite significant in the ways they "built" up and controll thier empires, the ant as an examble have farms in thier nests where they grow mushrooms and farm it, is things like that based on instinct? i would believe so, but still quite facinating.
Bank Robber said:but can they think, and form an actual society? its hard to imagine any sea creature on Earth people capable of doing all of that
Recently there has been a new ripple of interest in their psychology after researchers at Naples found evidence that one octopus was capable of learning by watching what another octopus did. "Observational learning" was thought to be evidence of intelligence and restricted to the "higher" mammals and birds.
Cephalopods have boneless bodies and keen senses. Their complex eyes, as large as car headlamps in some deep- water species, can distinguish detail as well as mammalian equivalents. Although cephalopods are thought to be colour-blind, they can see polarised light, which we cannot. They also have highly developed senses of touch, taste and smell, and can detect gravity, a sense which is used in the coordination of muscles during movement. And in the past few years, researchers have even discovered what can best be described as hearing: fine hairs along the head and arms that, in cuttlefish at least, can detect disturbances made by a metre-long fish up to 30 metres away.
When she passed a fake bird over the tank, the animals stopped their hunting display. "They still hunt," she says. "But they don't show it.
What took her by surprise was that not every animal reacted the same way. "All of them stop doing the 'passing cloud' when the bird is present," she adds, "but one does the coolest thing-he inks and then hunts under the ink. The first time he didn't do it, but the second, third and fourth times when the bird flies by, he secretes a bunch of ink and goes down into the substrate and continues hunting." As Adamo sees it, such behavioural variability- both between individuals and by the same individual at different times - hints at the presence of a sophisticated brain.
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And it is not only when it comes to patterning that the cephalopods show a startling flexibility in their behaviour. Jennifer Mather, a psychologist at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, has studied how octopuses feed on shellfish. In one strategy, the octopus uses its beak to bore a hole through the shell near the abductor muscle. Next, it injects poison to weaken its victim and then pulls open the shell. On other occasions, the same octopus will simply yank the shells open, or smash them, or chip a little off the shell's edge and inject the poison there.
They may not have a backbone, but they do have brains The octopus is the most intelligent invertebrate. In this sequence, an octopus quickly figures out how the cork in the bottle has to be removed in order to retrieve the shrimp inside
KAMIKAZI said:People are so fuckin picky, you're lucky if you find any life on another planet, let alone intelligent life...