If I..

[masta247]

I think it might be a bit 2pac related but I was wondering: If I told everybody that I will die in a car accident/plane accident or something different really specific telling that I will be back and if it really happened, would people really think that I will be back? That's some crazy stuff but it's a nice strategy to be remembered. What do you think? Would you believe if your friend did that? Or would you at least think about it deeply?

 

[keco52]

Depends. If you had been in a car accident before (bc you're a bad driver) and then said "I'm going to die in a car accident" I'd just think you were a bad driver.

 

[The.Menace]

If you just say it like that, no I'm not going 2 believe it

 

[masta247]

I mean something more than just telling it once and that's all. If I kept telling that I will be on a plane that will crash and I will die but then I will be back and it turns out that it really happened - you watch the tv and see the news channel showing a plane that crashed, later you get a call that I was in that plane. Would you believe it then?

 

[keco52]

Are you saying predicting how you'll die or faking your death? What do you mean "come back" ?

 

[Preach]

I'm not superstitious. Whenever I hear someone talking about foresight, pre-vision, lucid dreams and I sense that they feel connected to some bigger mystery, I chalk them up as gullible idiots. So to answer your question, lol, if a friend of mine started talking like that I probably would spend less time with said friend, simply because I can't take that shit serious.

 

[Preach]

Are you saying predicting how you'll die or faking your death? What do you mean "come back" ?

I think he's talking about how the fact that Pac referenced his death a lot had a huge impact on his fame after his death, albeit coincidentally. So if a friend of yours had a similar demeanor about him where he talked about his death a lot, in very specific terms, do you think it would affect your thoughts about the person after he died? Would you remember him more so than if he had just "simply died", and/or would it kick off some "wow could he tell the future?" stuff for you?

 

[Da_Funk]

I mean something more than just telling it once and that's all. If I kept telling that I will be on a plane that will crash and I will die but then I will be back and it turns out that it really happened - you watch the tv and see the news channel showing a plane that crashed, later you get a call that I was in that plane. Would you believe it then?

Nope.

 

[masta247]

I think he's talking about how the fact that Pac referenced his death a lot had a huge impact on his fame after his death, albeit coincidentally. So if a friend of yours had a similar demeanor about him where he talked about his death a lot, in very specific terms, do you think it would affect your thoughts about the person after he died? Would you remember him more so than if he had just "simply died", and/or would it kick off some "wow could he tell the future?" stuff for you?

yeah that's what I meant. I was just curious for answers, I thought that so many 2pac fans believe in some bigger conspiracy there or his special, strange abilities to tell the future while he was most probably paranoid and it was all coincidence that happened. I just thought that I'll get more positive answers. Then if you wouldn't believe me I wonder why so many people believe Pac.

 

[Bender]

It is of my opinion that Tupac played heavily on religious concepts, like being resurrected. I don't believe there is anything more other to it than that. If religious doctrines preached Jesus moving to Mars and taking only good people with him, I would guess that is was Tupac would have wrote about.

Religious scriptures and concepts are very influential, and can be a great source to attain to and pull from. You don't think Tupac made up the idea of being resurrected do you? - like you are trying to do.

 

[Preach]

Tupac's only references to resurrection was when he said it was his only fear of death. Then people took him depicting himself as jesus as a reference to some resurrection, when Pac himself clearly stated that the symbolism in the cover for the Makaveli album was that he had been crucified by the media and trialed by his peers.

Pac talked a lot about dying because that's reality for a person who came up the way he did, and he was a realist. Then stupid fans read too much into his Jesus references. Jesus got resurrected, but he also did a million other things in the bible so why Pac should come back resurrected instead of having a last supper prior to his death is beyond me. It's like one of a million connections you can make between Tupac and Jesus lol.

 

[Preach]

You don't think Tupac made up the idea of being resurrected do you? - like you are trying to do.

More pseudo-intellect.

No person in his right mind tries to re-invent an already established concept. I don't understand the last remark, as he proposed neither. The question is, if your friend tongue-in-cheek predicts his own death and it actually happened that way, what would you think about the inclinations. No one is saying anybody made up anything.

 

[Bender]

Jesus was a big influence to Tupac. He did have a tattoo of him on his arm. Tupac had other influences like shakespere, malcomX, martin luther king - they are all sources to pull ideas and concepts from. He used such concepts in his art.

 

[Preach]

Pac was influenced by Jesus in the sense that he talked about how there should have been a black Jesus, and that he felt he had been trialed in similar ways to Jesus. Bad guys didn't hurt Tupac, his own friends turned on him on some real Job shit. Or more fitting in this context, Biggie and Stretch were Tupac's Judases. Note that Tupac never specifically talked about the concept of reincarnation as part of his reality, he merely used it as a thought concept to convey points in his lyrics. By saying his only fear of death is coming back reincarnated, for example, he is not at all alluding to the fact that he's coming back reincarnated, but that the world is such a huge shit hole that death would be a sweet release. It's of course any superstitious Tupac fan's right to think otherwise, but I don't feel bad saying that anybody who believes in reincarnation in the traditional sense of the word needs a reality check. I'm open for speculation around the concept of energy transference.

 

[Chronic]

^^
Good line as an example. I always took that line as a damn good way of saying "It's not death that I fear, it's life".

 

[Bender]

what about "expect me like you'd expect Jesus to come back, I'm coming." - is this not also a reference to resurrection?

"The only way for me to come back is to be like Makaveli"

There are numerous references to his returning, some of them often contradictory in opinion and statement.

 

[masta247]

Pac talked a lot about dying because that's reality for a person who came up the way he did, and he was a realist. Then stupid fans read too much into his Jesus references. Jesus got resurrected, but he also did a million other things in the bible so why Pac should come back resurrected instead of having a last supper prior to his death is beyond me. It's like one of a million connections you can make between Tupac and Jesus lol.

yeah but there were lines like "I know I'll die soon(..) but prepare for a second coming", "picture me dying in a blaze of gun fire" and many times he said "i'll be back, believe me", also that "skit" on Better Dayz where he said that he'll be back like Jesus. So that's what I truely meant. If your friend used that kind of lines all the time and all came true what would you think. You don't get to hear stuff like that from many people, even known people.

 

[Bender]

What would be funny is if someone put it in their will that they were coming back for all of their legal possessions.

 

[masta247]

I don't know but it would be funny to use your death as an advantage. You could make funny jokes in your will like - "I'll get you in your sleep you dumb bitch" or "anyone who touches my money will be cursed" or "anyone who reads this will will get haunted". I'd be sorry that I couldn't be alive just to see peoples reaction lol

 

[Da_Funk]

what about "expect me like you'd expect Jesus to come back, I'm coming." - is this not also a reference to resurrection?

"The only way for me to come back is to be like Makaveli"

There are numerous references to his returning, some of them often contradictory in opinion and statement.

Tupac never said those things. His voice was chopped and screwed. Kinda like him saying G-unit 2005 or whatever on Loyal to the Game.

yeah that's what I meant. I was just curious for answers, I thought that so many 2pac fans believe in some bigger conspiracy there or his special, strange abilities to tell the future while he was most probably paranoid and it was all coincidence that happened. I just thought that I'll get more positive answers. Then if you wouldn't believe me I wonder why so many people believe Pac.

Thing is, Pac was in position where you could believe he was going to be killed regardless of him stating it publicly or not. I highly doubt you are.