I need a bit of help...

Amara said:
Yeah I think it is getting worse for me as well.... I was never like this as a kid, it's just progressively got worse as my awareness of it grew.

What kind of professional help could I seek? They have self-confidence classes and stuff... I dunno though.


Thing is, I do care what people think. That is why I cant relax, that is why I dont want to be perceived as a snob. I guess also a lot of my friends and family are outgoing people, so I've always had them as a bit of a shelter to hide behind and rely on. I've always faded into the background with them around.

What should I do with people who I already know background info on....? What happens when I exhaust the simple, basic questions....?
In my opinion, you can't just script your conversations, you have to notice things in conversation that you can build off of.

Like say you were talk to me and you asked me where i was going to school next year..

where i'm going to school -> what i plan on studying -> what i plan on doing after (politics) -> politics -> privatizing social security -> reasons why i think it own't work -> lack of funds caused by an unnecessary war -> the war in iraq

see? you could go from where i was going to school all the way to the war in iraq, and if you're both intelligent people, that conversation could last hours.
 
I have trouble making small talk too.

So I don't.

I also have trouble talking to people I don't want to.

So I don't.


Do I have an attitude problem? Or am I just comfortable with myself.
 
Hmm, Amara you appear to be a few steps behind me.

I used to be very conscious of other people when in 'conversation' & used to try the small talk. Eventually, I tired of this & now I just bombard people with whatever the hell I feel like. 'Ranting' is my style of conversation now. The best thing to do is get yourself a captive audience - then unload on them......hehe, wasn't meant to sound like that.

Anyways, some people will be genuinely interested (even if they have nothing to add themselves) & even those who aren't interested will probably listen. Either way, you put your uncomfortability onto them as they stand there nodding thinking, "wtf has Imagine got to do with Karl Marx??".

Although it's yet to happen to me, I do believe that this style will eventually find me someone to talk to on a 'higher' level.

Good luck with that though.....
 
Rukas said:
The thing is Amara, you are an extremely intelligent girl who would bless anyone you talk to with either some knowledge, or just a genuinely honest conversation. You should feel at ease knowing that anyone you talk to will instantly be impressed by you, so there is no need to be shy or freeze up.

Just let yourself flow.\

Regardless, in the end the most important thing is that you can openly communicate with your boyfriend, that is what counts.

SicC said:
if u dont got nothing to say, then say nothing, if people think your a snob, so be it, fuck what they think. just let ur boytoy know and just be like "no offense to your homies but i dont got much to say", he knows u got plenty to say to him so thats all that should matter at the end of the day.

pz

take these two advices and u cant really do something wrong!


Amara said:
Yeah that's exactly it. I'm not overly confident either. Sometimes I really wish I was one of those confident people who are blissfully ignorant of all their faults...

There is this excellent quote which explains me well, "there are those who speak when they have something to say and those who speak because they have to say something." I cant talk whenever to whoever.... I just dont have the confidence, I dont wanna look like a fool.

oooh girl, how many people, who are not the most stupid ones out there, do have to tell you that YOU should be the one with the big ego?!

look, your a very intelligent, you have a boyfriend you love, you doing good at studying at the moment (im not sure about this but i think you do), you are very good-looking woman..dont know about your family, but maybe another positiv aspect...no need to have any lack of self-confidence

You should feel at ease knowing that anyone you talk to will instantly be impressed by you

^
keep that in mind :thumb: ;)
 
Get urself into a situation where you can let all your thoughts go..You obviously think too much...You should create an environment that makes you happy and somewhat active^...in a normal way that is...how you gon do that is all up to you...

The easiest way is to talk about something you have great knowledge of...Something you can talk about 4 hours but is open enough 4 other ppl to understand and to jump in...that should be a good kick off 4 a conversation...

So try to get urself into a situation if you feel to where you can talk about something interesting without forcing it..
 
I have big problems too, I am so shy and self-concious its unblievable i avoid meeting new people and going places that feel alien even with my existing friends. I never had this problem when i was younger, in fact i was a bit of a loud mouth but as i matured i sort of clammed shut.

I get stuck after asking someone how they are, or what they do for a living. The only time im relxed is when i have had a drink. Its nice to know im not alone on this one, as it seems that many others are the same just in this thread alone. I hope things work out for you people, i really do. It took me 18 months or so just to fit in with my work mates, its like i have to think about everything they said to see if they were taking the piss or trying to get to know me.

I suppose i can build up confidence but only after long periods of time, and giving the situation you in amara just meeting new people here and there its hard to build up something stable.

i think out of all the good advice you and now i have been given reading this thread the best one was from CalcuoCuchicheo, in a nut shell simply be who you are and get on with your life rather than holding back whilst others life theres

hope things work out for you all, and thanks to those who listed some good advice :)

p.s. its feel good just talking about the problem with people i dont really know, rather than it being locked inside
 
Thanks everyone for taking the time to read this and reply. I really appreciate it and definately have a few things to think about. Thanks heaps.
 
SicC said:
if u dont got nothing to say, then say nothing, if people think your a snob, so be it, fuck what they think. just let ur boytoy know and just be like "no offense to your homies but i dont got much to say", he knows u got plenty to say to him so thats all that should matter at the end of the day.

pz
:thumb: word
 
SicC said:
if u dont got nothing to say, then say nothing, if people think your a snob, so be it, fuck what they think. just let ur boytoy know and just be like "no offense to your homies but i dont got much to say", he knows u got plenty to say to him so thats all that should matter at the end of the day.

pz

true :thumb:
I can relate a lot with what u said, I used to be like that some years ago. When I was little my parents sent me to a psychologist cuz they thought I was shy, but that wasn't the problem, cuz anyone who knows me will say that I'm everything excepting shy! I prefer to remain in silence than saying lots of stupid things, but that can be a big problem sometimes, when you think a lot about what you're going to say and speccially, what the others might think about what you say.

I think I improved a lot, I was the kind of girl that seems to be very confident, but inside she's insecure about every single thing. Now I don't care about what others think or say, I try to be myself, and I found people who like as I am, so that's ok. So that's my advice, be yourself, that will make you feel comfortable, try not to pretend to be someone you're not.
 
The.Menace said:
Aiight, first of all, talk to me on msn. :)



Well, I think they point is not to worry to much about what you wanna say. DON'T try to say something that "anyone would want to hear" - say what you think and don't care too much about if others want to hear it. Hey, if you talk about politics or whatever and they don't agree, it's all good cause then you can have a conversation and that is what you want....and btw girl, you don't have to fear no discussion, I know that for sure.

It's a stereotype but it's true, alcohol does help. So just make sure next time you have dinner with your bf's parents or whatever that he's drivin and that you can have 1-2 glasses of vine, ;)
I don't think that's the answer she'd been lookin for, and it's the last thing she needs to do, cause apparently, she does care.
Amara, you should open up more, cheer up when you're around people, take about basic stuff, then join the conversation when it evolves into something bigger and interests you.Talk with courtsey, sound interested, you got a great sense of humor, take advantage of it.
Funny how you're like the total opposite when I talk to you on msn :)
 
It's really understandable firstly if its individuals its 1 on 1 so you dont have to work as hard to keep a convo up and make the topics interesting..

Also keep in mind when in a group you all have to discuss something that everyone enjoys and even to just to get along with everyone its a lot of pressure.

You shouldnt feel bad about it.Its even harder when its your partners friends or family I know what its like and believe me you dont wanna screw up when it comes to them especially if the person your with cares deeply about what they think.

Best way to overcome it is practice I guess start in little groups of his friends maybe 1-3 others.Also get your bf to tell you about what they are interested in and what they are like, etc..Always a cool icebreaker.

anyways offered wtv services i could hope it helped.
 
Amara said:
.How can I change this, how can I teach myself to be more sociable?
You say you’re not really shy but quiet, and you don’t really know what to say. The first step in overcoming your problem is to acknowledge that what you call quiet is anxiety, a very specific kind of anxiety. Anxiety is an attitudinal, emotional, behavioral, and physical response to stress, although not necessarily a negative response.

Picture yourself about to enter a social gathering. You approach the door, behind which a number of ppl are talking, laughing, having fun. Your mind focuses on anticipation, “What will happen when I enter the room!” “What will I talk about!” “What will they think of me!” Your pulse begins to quicken, adrenaline starts pumping, and you are anxious. Now, anxiety is appropriate in this situation. But it becomes negative if the person begins to worry about what is going on inside the room. “Will anyone talk to me?” “Am I dressed right?” “Will I seem nervous?” At that point it’s the degree of incapacity--the extent to which the anxious feelings and thoughts prevent interacting--that becomes the most important issue. It’s a question of degree, and there are many degrees of anxiety. Some nervousness is all right, but not so much that you begin to run from interacting with other people, or else your mind responds by shutting down and staying out of the interactions. In short, playing it safe.

You might think that it’s just that you don’t have anything to say, or that you don’t have or care for small talk. Not so. It stems from anxiety. And by staying in the safe (quiet) zone that you’ve made for yourself, you make it possible to be there at all. In other words, it’s your response to social anxiety. But anxiety is a simple fact of life that can be managed. And one way to manage it is by learning relaxation skills. I could go more into this in another post, if you’re interested

You must also work on the ability to process social information--take it in, store it, and retrieve it--as you interact. Socially anxious people engage in self-focused thinking which impairs their ability to process social information. The more attention you pay to yourself, the less attention you are paying to others, and the less approachable you will seem. You will also be more anxious and your mind will freeze up. But conversation is a skill that can be learned. Ask a question. Voice an opinion. State a fact. It’s really simple once the anxiety and possible low self-esteem are under your control.

When was the last time you left your house to go to the store? Yesterday? Last week? How did you get there? Walk? Drive? Whatever the case, you were able to negotiate going to the store via a very important process that you probably take for granted. Each street, every step, every turn, was a part of a map you had programmed in your brain. Without this map or program, you would not have gotten there. What frequently keeps a person from being able to do something is the lack of a map or direction. As you work on relaxation techniques and social skills, new maps for new areas will soon develop…
 
Wow Jokerman, I dont quite know what to say. That post was certainly more than I bargained for, but I think you described the situation unbelievably well. Especially in regards to focussing too much on how I am being perceived and as a result seeming unapproachable.... I hadn't thought of it, however, as detracting my attention away from others - how it affects them. It is an anxiety thing.... I dont like to think of it like that.... but it is.... hmm, I gotta read your post over again.
 
dubk said:
...damn i need to be a hot female so I can get responses like this from my questions. :-P
Or maybe you just need to ask important questions. :p
 
I'm a very quiet person too. I DO talk, but for the most part i'm just always quiet.
 
Jokerman said:
You say you’re not really shy but quiet, and you don’t really know what to say. The first step in overcoming your problem is to acknowledge that what you call quiet is anxiety, a very specific kind of anxiety. Anxiety is an attitudinal, emotional, behavioral, and physical response to stress, although not necessarily a negative response.

Picture yourself about to enter a social gathering. You approach the door, behind which a number of ppl are talking, laughing, having fun. Your mind focuses on anticipation, “What will happen when I enter the room!” “What will I talk about!” “What will they think of me!” Your pulse begins to quicken, adrenaline starts pumping, and you are anxious. Now, anxiety is appropriate in this situation. But it becomes negative if the person begins to worry about what is going on inside the room. “Will anyone talk to me?” “Am I dressed right?” “Will I seem nervous?” At that point it’s the degree of incapacity--the extent to which the anxious feelings and thoughts prevent interacting--that becomes the most important issue. It’s a question of degree, and there are many degrees of anxiety. Some nervousness is all right, but not so much that you begin to run from interacting with other people, or else your mind responds by shutting down and staying out of the interactions. In short, playing it safe.

You might think that it’s just that you don’t have anything to say, or that you don’t have or care for small talk. Not so. It stems from anxiety. And by staying in the safe (quiet) zone that you’ve made for yourself, you make it possible to be there at all. In other words, it’s your response to social anxiety. But anxiety is a simple fact of life that can be managed. And one way to manage it is by learning relaxation skills. I could go more into this in another post, if you’re interested

You must also work on the ability to process social information--take it in, store it, and retrieve it--as you interact. Socially anxious people engage in self-focused thinking which impairs their ability to process social information. The more attention you pay to yourself, the less attention you are paying to others, and the less approachable you will seem. You will also be more anxious and your mind will freeze up. But conversation is a skill that can be learned. Ask a question. Voice an opinion. State a fact. It’s really simple once the anxiety and possible low self-esteem are under your control.

When was the last time you left your house to go to the store? Yesterday? Last week? How did you get there? Walk? Drive? Whatever the case, you were able to negotiate going to the store via a very important process that you probably take for granted. Each street, every step, every turn, was a part of a map you had programmed in your brain. Without this map or program, you would not have gotten there. What frequently keeps a person from being able to do something is the lack of a map or direction. As you work on relaxation techniques and social skills, new maps for new areas will soon develop…
I probably have asked you already, but what's your major?:p
 

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