http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diet/vegans-life-starving-week-son/story?id=14508628
Right around where I was. Stupid coons.
Right around where I was. Stupid coons.
I don't care about your views on veganism, but this is just stupid...
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Yeah, they were giving the kids soy milk and apple juice. See how long your kids last on regular milk and apple juice. Neither one of those diets is food. As the article says:
These people were just morons. But...... anyone who tries to use this as anti-vegan propaganda would be equally stupid.
These people were just morons. But...... anyone who tries to use this as anti-vegan propaganda would be equally stupid.
Well, a balanced vegan diet doesn't have to be expensive, but it does require some education and knowledge. So the lack of education is the real problem. I made dhal last week and it lasted about 3 days. Just yellow split peas, garlic, ginger, onions, cumin, tumeric, chillis, tomatoes and coriander. If you have it with rice it could be like a solid week's worth of food. A 500G bag of yellow split peas literally cost me 49p at Tesco. And I only used half of it. Nutritious and low cast.
It's true that you find all kinds of dirt cheap bullshit fast food places on every damn street in the hood, but the truth is that people are also unwilling to learn how to cook different kinds of food as well.
It's true that you find all kinds of dirt cheap bullshit fast food places on every damn street in the hood, but the truth is that people are also unwilling to learn how to cook different kinds of food as well.
Or have the time to do so as well. Education, time, and access to the ingredients. It's easy for me to go to Whole Foods in my car and buy it. Not so much for a kid on welfare without a dad and a mom working two jobs and barely getting by.
But the excuse for being negligent being "vegan" is just asinine. I just was pointing out how funny it was.
But the excuse for being negligent being "vegan" is just asinine. I just was pointing out how funny it was.
but where's the food here?
I can't last 2 hours on peas without going hungry yet I can't imagine garlic, ginger, onions, cumin (no idea what that is), tumeric (no idea what that is), chillis (no idea what that is), tomatoes, coriander (no idea what that is) will resolve that problem either. I'd pass out on the basketball court or some shit.
If the mother wasnt breastfeeding, they could have used soy baby formula or others that are still 'vegan' friendly.
These people were just ignorant/uneducated to what the baby needs. He was also not given enough volume to get the calories he needed..
Poor little Shakur
This is a serious question: how do vegans feel about eating microorganisms, like bacteria that make bread?
And someone has made the case, how can you eat plants, they're living things too? A vegan responded with telling the person to kill a chicken and then cut a plant and see which one felt worse or which one they were even able to go through.
So is veganism its own separate movement, or does it exist solely in relation to the "barbaric" practices of killing animals and using animal products? Kinda like Usain Bolt being amazingly fast, yet relative to a cheetah he looks like me on a treadmill?
And someone has made the case, how can you eat plants, they're living things too? A vegan responded with telling the person to kill a chicken and then cut a plant and see which one felt worse or which one they were even able to go through.
So is veganism its own separate movement, or does it exist solely in relation to the "barbaric" practices of killing animals and using animal products? Kinda like Usain Bolt being amazingly fast, yet relative to a cheetah he looks like me on a treadmill?
Ive heard it argued as a symbiotic relationship with plants... they are 'designed' to be consumed (at least their fruits are) to spread their seeds..
Also the amount of plants killed to produce meat is huge, so it is less harmful to directly eat plants than meat...
Also the amount of plants killed to produce meat is huge, so it is less harmful to directly eat plants than meat...
It was one low-cost example, jeez, there's freakin' thousands of them, i'm not a fucking cookbook, I was just making a point.
I can forgive you the others since like, I think some of them are called different things in the US, but you don't know what a freakin chilli is? LMAO. Anyway what I described (dhal) is a staple of every Indian persons diet for the most part. Unless they're a coconut.
With regards to the other questions, the thing is that not every vegan has the exact same perspective or reasons or feelings. At it's most basic level going vegan is just avoidance of eating animals and animal by products. Some people do it for strictly health reasons, some for strictly moral reasons, some do it for green/ecological reasons and even some for religious reasons (True Rastafarians are all vegan, in fact the BEST vegan restaurant I've ever been to was a Rasta run place in Tacoma, WA). Some do it for a combination of any or all of the above.
So with that in mind you can't really say "vegans believe X because Y". What's frustrating is that most people question it, not because they actually care or want to be educated on the subject, but simply to try and pick holes in it to justify their own behaviour. Now admittedly, I can be an asshole about it online because I enjoy the occasional rant and sometimes I need to vent, but in real life I have NEVER, EVER tried to make anyone feel bad about eating meat. Not once. And yet I still have to deal with this barrage of inane questions by meat eaters (and sometimes even dairy eating vegetarians) who feel defensive and threatened purely from what I do, when I've said nothing to make them feel that way. It's annoying. And quite telling. If I really feel like somebody is legitimately interested and not just trying to be a dick, I'll point them in the direction of a few great books and sites. Maybe offer a couple useful statistic. For example, if meat consumption in the US was reduced by as little as 10%, you could feed an extra 100 million people using that same land to grow vegetables. How many people die of starvation every year? 20 million. Or to make people feel a little more personal about it - dairy consumption leads to a 3x higher risk of fatal prostate or ovarian cancer.
As for plants, every living thing on this planet operates on similar molecular and biological levels. What causes humans and animals to feel pain? Our central nervous system sending impulses to our brains. Plants have neither of those things.
I can forgive you the others since like, I think some of them are called different things in the US, but you don't know what a freakin chilli is? LMAO. Anyway what I described (dhal) is a staple of every Indian persons diet for the most part. Unless they're a coconut.
With regards to the other questions, the thing is that not every vegan has the exact same perspective or reasons or feelings. At it's most basic level going vegan is just avoidance of eating animals and animal by products. Some people do it for strictly health reasons, some for strictly moral reasons, some do it for green/ecological reasons and even some for religious reasons (True Rastafarians are all vegan, in fact the BEST vegan restaurant I've ever been to was a Rasta run place in Tacoma, WA). Some do it for a combination of any or all of the above.
So with that in mind you can't really say "vegans believe X because Y". What's frustrating is that most people question it, not because they actually care or want to be educated on the subject, but simply to try and pick holes in it to justify their own behaviour. Now admittedly, I can be an asshole about it online because I enjoy the occasional rant and sometimes I need to vent, but in real life I have NEVER, EVER tried to make anyone feel bad about eating meat. Not once. And yet I still have to deal with this barrage of inane questions by meat eaters (and sometimes even dairy eating vegetarians) who feel defensive and threatened purely from what I do, when I've said nothing to make them feel that way. It's annoying. And quite telling. If I really feel like somebody is legitimately interested and not just trying to be a dick, I'll point them in the direction of a few great books and sites. Maybe offer a couple useful statistic. For example, if meat consumption in the US was reduced by as little as 10%, you could feed an extra 100 million people using that same land to grow vegetables. How many people die of starvation every year? 20 million. Or to make people feel a little more personal about it - dairy consumption leads to a 3x higher risk of fatal prostate or ovarian cancer.
As for plants, every living thing on this planet operates on similar molecular and biological levels. What causes humans and animals to feel pain? Our central nervous system sending impulses to our brains. Plants have neither of those things.
SOFI is an intelligent guy. I have to believe he was joking.
I am still having a meat free day a week. I feel this is my moral compromise. And as I said before I always source my foods locally, and they are always organic and free roaming. I have had my own chickens for a while, and they are very happy and get to roam my garden (which is fairly large - at least for SE UK) and give me an egg each per day.
I am still having a meat free day a week. I feel this is my moral compromise. And as I said before I always source my foods locally, and they are always organic and free roaming. I have had my own chickens for a while, and they are very happy and get to roam my garden (which is fairly large - at least for SE UK) and give me an egg each per day.
I wasn't joking. I know what chilli is. I don't know what chillis is, though. Is that a plural? I don't think it's correct. I don't know what others are. My English vocab is very limited in terms of plants, foods, and animals. I never studied English like foreigners do. I studied English as Americans do, starting in middle school, and by then, you're expected to know a monkey from an elephant because they teach you that in elementary school, which I wasn't around for.
To be honest, I'd be able to go vegetarian easily, but I just can't give up on milk so easily... I drink about 6-7L per week...
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