I again believe in a God.

[Preach]

we got sun all the time up here. you british are just using the no sun jokes to take some of the focus away from their bad teeth and quirky habits.

 

[Bobby Sands]

well i made the joke and im not British sooooooo

 

[Flipmo]

The big book, of British smiles......

 

[Bender]

No, the cross is a stylish Roman set-up to put convicts on display.

is that your materialistic, or historic, opinion

i was talking about what the cross symbolizes, not its cross reference to sacrificial uses.

are you stating Jesus was a convict

 

[Preach]

well i made the joke and im not British sooooooo

oh yeah you are excused, i was just joking about brits in general cause there are some in this thread

anyway, isn't ireland known as the emerald isle for the beauty of its woodlands and acres shimmering in the sunlight? cause even the most beautiful meadow looks tame in gray weather

 

[Preach]

is that your materialistic, or historic, opinion

i was talking about what the cross symbolizes, not its cross reference to sacrificial uses.

are you stating Jesus was a convict

lol.

he's saying that the cross was invented for it's obvious convenient shape when you want to put convicts on display. when the cross was invented, it was not a "cross", it was a "rig" from which to hang people.

jesus was hung on the cross and that's where it took its religious significance. it became a symbol of jesus' sacrifice because he got hung on it, not the other way around. jesus was not a convict, but was punished like one. have you read the actual parts of the bible that describe the events? his martyrdom was an unforunate consequence of his punishment that they did not intend for.

 

[Duke]

is that your materialistic, or historic, opinion

i was talking about what the cross symbolizes, not its cross reference to sacrificial uses.

are you stating Jesus was a convict

I bet you're real pleased you managed to work "cross reference" in there, hm?

 

[Bender]

lol.

he's saying that the cross was invented for it's obvious convenient shape when you want to put convicts on display. when the cross was invented, it was not a "cross", it was a "rig" from which to hang people.

jesus was hung on the cross and that's where it took its religious significance. it became a symbol of jesus' sacrifice because he got hung on it, not the other way around. jesus was not a convict, but was punished like one. have you read the actual parts of the bible that describe the events? his martyrdom was an unforunate consequence of his punishment that they did not intend for.

i am sure Duke can explain himself Preach, i know what Duke is saying, thank you

the cross is a universal symbol for the form of the human body, is what i am saying. stand up straight, put your arms horizontal and wow, there's a cross, you get 2 axis. that's what the cross symbolizes for me, no need to confuse it with religion or some other concept


I question who did not intend for Jesus' punishment, Pilate? my impression is Jesus accepted his fate on the cross, he had a right to be, Jesus embraced his crucifixion, it's what made him the symbol he is today

 

[ARon]

Not all religions claim the sun is god now do they? I dont think any are in practice really now either.

I never said that religions claim the sun as their God. I was saying the sun correlates with a lot of things in almost every religion, especially the major religions of today

 

[Duke]

I never said that religions claim the sun as their God. I was saying the sun correlates with a lot of things in almost every religion, especially the major religions of today

Well, if you want to go down that road I'd say it's the other way around. Older religions had a bigger role for the sun than the "invisible man in the sky" ones. From the top of my head I can give you the Egyptians and the Inca's for who the sun itself was Mr. Big.

Obviously almost every religion had some role for the sun in it's teachings. Who can deny that big fiery ball looming over us, after all? But when it comes to importance, the nature based religions of yesteryear win by a few street lengths.

 

[Jokerman]

The Greek philosopher, Anaxagoras, stated around 450 BC that "the sun is a red-hot mass of metal." Too bad he didn't know about gases, but otherwise very near the truth. We may not think this revolutionary, but for Athenians the sun was a god, Helios, and Anaxagoras' observation was the equivalent of atheism to them. He even wrote a book called The Sun-God Delusion and had his own blog.

 

[Duke]

The Greek philosopher, Anaxagoras, stated around 450 BC that "the sun is a red-hot mass of metal." Too bad he didn't know about gases, but otherwise very near the truth. We may not think this revolutionary, but for Athenians the sun was a god, Helios, and Anaxagoras' observation was the equivalent of atheism to them. He even wrote a book called The Sun-God Delusion and had his own blog.

Isn't true though, if my basic astronomy knowledge is correct, that all or at least most stars' fusion process eventually starts to create iron (and maybe other metals before that)? Then that's pretty much the end of it's life span, since it can't fuse the iron itself. So then it perishes in a spectacular manner of it's choosing.

That's how I remember it anyway.

Not to say old Anaxagoras was a 100% correct, just got me curious.

Those old buttfuckers sure knew some impressing stuff for their time, though. Figuring out the Earth was round still ranks high on my personal awesomeness scale.

Praised be the Arabs that collected and preserved the Greek knowledge in a time where a good old fashioned heretical book burning was the Christian fad of the era.